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July 21, 2014, 09:37 PM #51
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Thx Mike, Norman and Allen.
Will report back after arrival and a chance to listen.
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July 22, 2014, 03:43 PM #52
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C1, D1, and X1 - The Ultimate Digital Source?
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July 22, 2014, 07:23 PM #53
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Wizard, interesting read. Thanks for posting.
With one on order, I'm particularly interested in Nack's comments on the X1.
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July 22, 2014, 09:41 PM #54
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Great article , wizard, thx for sharing.
Chris, please report back after you get her!
Allen
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August 3, 2014, 08:56 PM #55
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A1 monos?! Niiice! I love my A1, I can only imagine how good the monos are.
I haven't grounded mine yet, but hope to do some at some point.
vjah, are you looking at any other CH gear?
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August 3, 2014, 09:05 PM #56
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Very nice!
No C1 in the cards?
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August 4, 2014, 09:37 AM #57
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Vjayh - congrats! I started off with a single A1 but recently got one more as my Zellaton's really enjoy the power/current. Â I like using them in passive biamp despite getting less power because you'd be using the entire transformer for one channel so more current. What's the rest of your electronics and speakers? Also, I've discovered that high bandwidth wires are essential for a high bandwidth fast slew rate CH system. I was using very expensive Siltech and Kubala wires but something was off. The right wires will make a very big difference. I switched to older circa late 80's (probably worthless) MIT wires which were high bandwidth designs at the time - the improvement was startling but missing some resolution - so now to CH wires which is a tremendous step above - very very fast but musical....
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August 5, 2014, 01:07 AM #58
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CH speaker wires and CH balanced ic from C1 to amps and from phono stage to analog board on C1 - but will probably need more ic's once L1 comes in. What speakers are you using and rest of your electronics??
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August 5, 2014, 07:54 AM #59
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You mean the CH Argento cables?
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August 5, 2014, 08:27 AM #60
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Are they really high bandwidth, or just, being made of silver, more "open" than traditional copper cables, like Kubala?
I've had silver cables before (Argento, even). At first, they're very impressive, but with time, I came to regret getting them. Fatigue sets in very quickly. Today, I prefer a more balanced copper cable, like Kubala Sosna Elation...
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August 5, 2014, 09:17 AM #61
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Yes, but to CH's unique specifications it seems - the CH speaker wires are unshielded and sound very balanced and open (also not crazy expensive). My dealer now has Schnerzinger wires in which are supposed to be on another level but very expensive so I'm scared to try it! You have the Trinity DAC and pre?! What are your impressions?
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August 5, 2014, 09:19 AM #62
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Asiufy I agree - I don't like silver cables - always a little hot... But these CH wires are copper unshielded designs
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August 5, 2014, 11:11 AM #63
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August 5, 2014, 09:36 PM #64
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Vjayh, which YG speakers do you have?
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August 6, 2014, 12:05 PM #65
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Vjayh, did you demo CH with Zellaton speakers? If so, was wondering your impressions of CH/Trinity with both brands of speakers.
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August 8, 2014, 04:18 PM #66
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At HK Audio Show 2014.
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August 8, 2014, 04:34 PM #67
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Very impressive setup.
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August 14, 2014, 04:18 PM #68
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August 15, 2014, 02:53 AM #72
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The next product in the 1 series will be P1 phono stage.
Size like L1.
And later will two series will be released; 0 reference series, and 2 cheaper than 1 series.My blogs Wizard High-End Audio Blog & Wizard Ultimate
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August 15, 2014, 02:54 AM #73
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I spoke to Jean-Pascal at Stenheim speakers the other day. The speakers shown in Munich (together with CH Precision) was a special edition floorstander which might - or might not - reach Europe and the US.
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August 27, 2014, 08:19 PM #74
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X1 arrived at last on Friday and I installed it in the system Monday and have had a couple of days to let it settle in and listen. The CH gear build quality is really really good. The C1 is already fantastic whether coax from cd or better, the ethernet streaming option. With the X1, I let it play in the background for several hours before coming round to really listen.
Noise floor is amazing. Listened to wicked, full, rich fleshy Leonard Cohen on Ten New Songs. Lovely tone. Seems deeper than with the C1 alone. There is definitely more detail. Emmy Lou a little strident on a couple of tracks but palpably real on Evangeline. On the XX's coexist, i can now hear the ambient recording hall band amps hum on a few tracks. Anouar Brahem's Astounding Eyes of Rita, which is a great recording, is haunting, spacious and beautiful.
So far so good. I want to listen to some more jazz and some classical favourites but so far, I'm impressed with this external PS.
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August 27, 2014, 09:32 PM #75
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Congrats, Chris! Sounds like a great addition!
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August 27, 2014, 10:46 PM #76
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I've had mine about a month back and it's definitely a notch up. Much lower noise floor resulting in a cleaner, clearer and more transparent sound, more defined bass and a bigger soundstage on familiar recordings.Looking forward to a home trial of the M1 soon.
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August 28, 2014, 11:07 AM #77
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Allen, thanks. I know you're looking for an analog setup at the moment but keep the x1 on your radar. Agree with Geshi in terms of the description of the SQ with the x1. A side note. I noticed that after running 4-5 hrs yesterday, that the top was barely warm. Same on the C1.
Chris
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September 23, 2014, 04:16 PM #78
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Here's CH prices:
CH Precision C1 Euro 24,000
Option card analog input to C1: Euro 2,000
Optional digital input board for C1: Euro 2,000
USB-B to C1: Euro 2,400
Optional Ethernet card for C1: Euro 4,300
Sync tab for C1: Euro 1,150
CH Precision L1 : Euro 27,000
CH Precision D1 : Euro 29,000
Card digital-out for optional D1: Euro 2,000
Board analog-out option for D1: Euro 2,000
Board analog-out dual mono for D1: Euro 4,000 (pair)
Sync tab for D1: Euro 1,150
CH Precision A1 : Euro 27,000
Input analog buffer card A1: Euro 1,500
CH Precision M1 : Euro 80,000 (pair)
CH Precision X1 : Euro 13,500
Card for additional output X1: Euro 3,150
Cable CHLink 1 mt: Euro 1,150 (Euro 100 per mt. Additional)
XLR cable pair Euro 1750 to 0.5 mt, Euro 1900-1 mt (per meter plus 400 Euro)
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September 23, 2014, 04:19 PM #79
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Thanks Wizard. Beautiful gear.
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October 20, 2014, 10:53 PM #80
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Had a C1 and D1 home demo about 3 weeks ago, truly an impressive 2 box system both from a built quality and very impressive sound quality. So much so I bought the D1.
As with every new component that is added to an existing systems, there will be inherent differences in the sound that one had never heard before...in this case, mids and highs are vastly improved - clarity, separation, focus, height and depth is more discernible. Can't say much about the base although it reached the lower frequencies better but sounded slightly boomy. The speakers was repositioned during the demo sessions, which was a pain as it has spikes on footers on marble floors. I think that the speaker position is not yet right and need tweaking.
Bryston BP26/MPS2 and three 14B SST, Audiomeca DAC and PMC MB2/XBD speakers completes the system.
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October 20, 2014, 11:50 PM #81
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Welcome to the forum hifidelitea. Thank you for joining!
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February 23, 2015, 06:09 PM #82
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I asked a few hundred times the same question! - but I don't think it's happening anytime soon. The C1 has been out for a while but it's still the best I've heard - and future proof due to its construction...
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February 23, 2015, 06:37 PM #83
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I asked Raph from CH a few questions about product developments at the Bristol show this weekend. I had seen a film of Florian Cossy discussing the zero series briefly. According to Raph this series is not due anytime soon. He did say that some work was being done on a new phono stage though
I feel precisely blind for this product at the moment.
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March 1, 2015, 10:18 AM #84
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A1 inside - the 1200VA transfomer.
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March 7, 2015, 08:50 AM #85
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CH covered in Feb Hifi+ magazine.
http://www.hifiplus.com/articles/ch-precision-d1-c1-and-a1-system/
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March 7, 2015, 09:18 AM #86
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Nice review, Chris, thanks for sharing. I think Alan is spot on.
Allen
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March 18, 2015, 09:22 AM #87
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Added the C1 last week to the system, bought some TAOC speaker spikes and component insulators, changed some power cords and interconnects and this setup is a huge improvement to what I thought was already a huge improvement back in October.
I also had a set of CH Precision speaker cables to demo and connected to the bass of the triamp system. The mid and treble still connected to the older cables that I am using. Big ass bass from the PMC's XBD's - tight, low, detail and snap.
I was wondering if anyone here uses different speaker cables in bi or tri amp mode to drive the mids,treble or bass due to the character of the system.
Here lies the problem with the pursuit of audio nirvana; when I posted this about 5 months ago, I thought "that's it, that's the end of my system setup". Then there's an itch and a nudge from family and friends, and the next thing, I end up buying the DAC after a home demo. And then more $ is poured in after comparing cables and finding out the Gryphon VIP Reference XLR brings out the missing details that I have not heard before in my system.
Next on my shopping list would be to replace all the cables, this will have to wait unfortunately.
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March 18, 2015, 11:51 AM #88
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I ordered the Argento made CH ICs for my incoming system (D1/X1, C1/X1, M1) because I want to get a feel for what C and H work with. While I really like my present cables they are all single ended because presently all my electronics on rotation are single ended (Lamm and KR). When it comes to speaker cables. I'm staying with the cables with which my loudspeakers (VR-9 SE Mk2s soon VR-11 SE Mk2s) are wired internally including the point to point wiring of the XOs since depending on how one looks at things the XO circuit starts at the amplifier output taps if you are using split XO/Bi/Tri-wire loudspeakers.
I went through a period where i mixed and matched solid core/stranded, silver/copper, etc. etc. Now I look to tune elsewhere. In an active system I'd just do that at the active crossover itself be it analog or DSP.Last edited by JackD201; March 18, 2015 at 11:51 AM. Reason: spelling
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March 18, 2015, 09:47 PM #89
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Nice, some more C1 users!
Jack, congrats on the M1s! The A1 is turning out to be my favorite amp ever. I can only imagine how good the M1 must be.
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Thanks Allen, I tell ya, I'm having a lot of sleepless nights waiting!
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Vjayh,
It seems CH is waiting till their app release. I contacted Gideon, the NA distributor, about this and here is the response from CH,
"The target is to include DXD format support into the official firmware release that communicates with the proprietary CH control app. We estimate a few months away...."
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May 15, 2015, 07:14 AM #92
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I have just visited the CH Precision - TechDAS - Wilson Benesch room at the Munich High End.
The CH Precision P1 is playing with the TechDAS AirForce 2 and WB Endeavour. Really amazing sound, the P1 sounds very promising.
Also WB have a new rack system, the R1 - the name and the design, to my eye references that of the CH. Looks really amazing!
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Thanks for posting the images, bjorman. Looks to be an interesting mix of materials and CF. Was there any indication of the retail price?
Did you also manage to catch a glimpse of the new WB floorstander being introduced in the Geometry series?
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May 15, 2015, 05:10 PM #96
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More images from this room at the Munich show can be found here: http://audioshark.org/other-shows-13...holm-7413.html
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The following is a press release issued by Audioarts NYC.
Audioarts NYC and Elite Audio San Francisco are proud to announce the opening of Elite's new extreme high end audio dedicated listening room. With the West Coast's premier luxury showroom, clients at Elite will be able to experience Swiss perfectionist CH Precision electronics and Stenheim loudspeakers - along with Zellaton, the German pinnacle of loudspeaker design and long standing heritage. These lines are consistent with Elite's commitment to representing the world's finest brands and exposing its clients to an unparalleled level of European sophistication in fidelity and audio craftsmanship.
Elite Audio San Francisco is by appointment only:
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Interview w/ Florian Cossy CEO of CH Precision:
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