Welcome to the AudioShark Forums.
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 50 of 80
  1. #1
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    30,027
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  2. #2
    Super Moderator
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    NY
    Posts
    18,726

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Sweet! Now for the loooooooooong break in.
    Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.

    Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE

    NAD C 658 streamer.

    First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)

    Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.

    Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.

  3. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Singapore
    Posts
    1,021

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Wow.

    Doesn't it look sharp! Love that last photo.

    Very much looking forward to reading your observations. I don't buy the 1000 hour run-in thesis. Please let us know how it sounds 24 hours after ignition (thermal stabilization) - or before if you like....
    Borresen Acoustics Loudspeakers, Borresen Model 01 Compact monitor loudspeakers with Ansuz Darkz T2s Supreme resonance control, Audio Video Manufaktur GmbH (AVM) Inspiration amplifier & streamer, Innuos Zen MKII music server, Ansuz Acoustics cables & accessories. Please visit my system thread hosted on Audioshark for more details. Disclosure: The author is materially connected to Ansuz, Aavik & Borresen Acoustics via friendship with an owner.

  4. #4
    Behavior Moderator (be nice police!)
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Lake Country, Georgia
    Posts
    4,347

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Sweet! Now for the loooooooooong break in.
    Ohhhhh.........yeahhhhhhhh........................ ......
    Mark


    Kharma DB9 Signature
    Pass Labs XP32......incoming
    Pass Labs X350.8
    Esoteric N-05XD
    VPI Avenger with Magnetic Drive
    Manley Chinook Phono Pre
    Ortofon Cadenza Black cartridge
    Kharma Elegance speaker cables
    Kharma Elegance interconnects
    REL Subs

  5. #5
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    State of Confusion
    Posts
    3,788

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    That's sweet Mike. I love the looks of it.

    If you unplug that phone your system with be even quieter.
    Doug



  6. #6
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    30,027

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Quote Originally Posted by dlb2 View Post
    That's sweet Mike. I love the looks of it.

    If you unplug that phone your system with be even quieter.
    You always crack me up! I knew someone would say that.


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  7. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Manhattan Beach, CA
    Posts
    610

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Nice!! Do tell us about it as it breaks in.
    Michael

    Magico S5s; PASS Labs Xs150s and Xs preamplifier; Lumin A1; Synergistic Research Galileo LE Powercell, Galileo LE speaker cables and interconnects, Galileo LE Analog and Digital power cords, Transporter Ultra SE, Tranquility Bases, MiGs, HFTs, XOTs, FEQ, Vibratron and Bass Station.

  8. #8
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    30,027

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    The first hour was a little rough. I'm on hour 3 now. First impressions: I turned the volume full (with no music obviously) and I could hear NOTHING, I mean, nothing coming from the tweeter. Dead quiet backgrounds.

    It runs cold and sounds very clean. If I didn't know it was Class D, I wouldn't have guessed. The synergy with the Raidho's is obviously terrific. I love how it has good bass control, but no hyped up bass/midbass.

    As expected, it sounds a titch compressed and thin. Jock has assured me this improves with time. I still need to test the phonostage (100ohm loading and 60db of gain).

    It certainly has enough power. The volume dial goes to 99.5, and 73-78 is the absolute max I would ever listen in my room. Average being 55.

    I find it odd there is no power button.....but ok, it stays on all the time.

    As for the remote....uh....hmmm....it's definitely....hum....I would happily pay a couple hundred or so for a smoking nice remote.

    PRAT and clarity are excellent. I think it has a lot of potential. Give it some hours and see. I'm hoping it works out for me.


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  9. #9

    Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Mike...you were asking for it with that phone there congrats on the S2!
    Cyril
    Speakers/Amp/Preamp: Thiel CS2.4 / ARC Ref 110 / ARC Ref 3
    Sources: Basis 2001/Graham2.2/Nagra BPS/Benz Micro Glider SL, Dynavector 20X2-L, ARC CD7, Oppo BDP-83 SE
    Cables/Power/Other: Nordost Heimdall ICs, SCs / Shunyata Hydra 8, Shunyata Python Helix PC / VPI 16.5, HRS Nimbus isolation system

  10. #10
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    30,027

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Quote Originally Posted by cmalak View Post
    Mike...you were asking for it with that phone there congrats on the S2!
    Haha! Thanks.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  11. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Chicago suburbs
    Posts
    1,583

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    The first hour was a little rough. I'm on hour 3 now. First impressions: I turned the volume full (with no music obviously) and I could hear NOTHING, I mean, nothing coming from the tweeter. Dead quiet backgrounds.

    It runs cold and sounds very clean. If I didn't know it was Class D, I wouldn't have guessed. The synergy with the Raidho's is obviously terrific. I love how it has good bass control, but no hyped up bass/midbass.

    As expected, it sounds a titch compressed and thin. Jock has assured me this improves with time. I still need to test the phonostage (100ohm loading and 60db of gain).

    It certainly has enough power. The volume dial goes to 99.5, and 73-78 is the absolute max I would ever listen in my room. Average being 55.

    I find it odd there is no power button.....but ok, it stays on all the time.

    As for the remote....uh....hmmm....it's definitely....hum....I would happily pay a couple hundred or so for a smoking nice remote.

    PRAT and clarity are excellent. I think it has a lot of potential. Give it some hours and see. I'm hoping it works out for me.
    Mike - congratulations on your latest acquisition! I'm confident that you'll find it to have a significant gain in dynamics and fullness as it runs in. I use a Rowland 625 power amp and it definitely evolved and improved with time. I also run the Ortofon Cadenza Bronze (on a Nottingham Analogue Dais with Origin Live Enterprise) but into the Audia Flight phono stage, and it sounds superb loaded at 100 ohms so I would expect that setting to work well for you. As far as there being no power switch, since it uses a Class D output stage it is best to leave it on all the time anyway to keep the low level circuitry powered continuously for the best sound and no warm-up time. My 625 is Class A/B and is heavily biased into A which makes it run hot, so Rowland accordingly provides a power switch. You can trust that Jeff Rowland did not leave off the power switch to save a few bucks, but rather that it should be continuously powered on for the best performance. Enjoy the tunes, and I look forward to reading your continued impressions in due time.

  12. #12
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    30,027

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Thanks Bill. That's what I figured. Testing the phonostage now. It sounds quite good. Would like a little more gain (volume is at 87% and it's not loud). Will give it some time and then determine if it has enough gonads to drive the D3's. I can see it being a perfect match for D1, maybe D2, but these D3's like the juice. The jury is still out.

    I would say right now the phonostage is a pleasant surprise.


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  13. #13
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    3,828

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Very nice S2 Mike - congrats. I heard this amp with the D1s at RMAF - sounded terrific!
    _______________

    Mike

    Amplification: MBL 6010D, MBL 9008A Monos
    Analog: Kuzma R, Kuzma 4Point (11”), MSL Ultra Eminent EX
    Phono Pre: Pass XP-27
    Digital: Esoteric N01XD Esoteric K05
    Speakers: MBL 101E MKII
    Subwoofers: REL Carbon Specials
    Conditioner: Shunyata Triton 3
    Power Cables: Shunyata Sigma 1 & 2, Alpha 2, Delta and Venom
    ICs and SCs: Wireworld Platinum 8
    Rack: Artesania Exoteryc

  14. #14
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Manhattan Beach, CA
    Posts
    610

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ritmo View Post
    Very nice S2 Mike - congrats. I heard this amp with the D1s at RMAF - sounded terrific!
    That has the makings of a really nice compact system. Hmmm.
    Michael

    Magico S5s; PASS Labs Xs150s and Xs preamplifier; Lumin A1; Synergistic Research Galileo LE Powercell, Galileo LE speaker cables and interconnects, Galileo LE Analog and Digital power cords, Transporter Ultra SE, Tranquility Bases, MiGs, HFTs, XOTs, FEQ, Vibratron and Bass Station.

  15. #15
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    30,027

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    I really have to give it a lot more time....but it is sounding better after 6 hours....


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  16. #16

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Only 994 more to go!

    Congrats on the Rowland, Mike! I love his gear!


    Allen



  17. #17

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Mike, can you get a hold of the Primare I32 as well? It would be very interesting how it compares to the Continuum S2, letting aside price and power differences.

    Primare I32 Integrated Amp | The Absolute Sound


  18. #18
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    30,027

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Quote Originally Posted by Anatta View Post
    Mike, can you get a hold of the Primare I32 as well? It would be very interesting how it compares to the Continuum S2, letting aside price and power differences.

    Primare I32 Integrated Amp | The Absolute Sound

    I would love to try the Primare I32. Not sure I can get one to demo though.

    I think the Rowland S2 is a superb option for the X1/C1.1/D1....just not sure it has the ooomph for the D3's. TBD.
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  19. #19
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Singapore
    Posts
    1,021

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post

    [...] I think the Rowland S2 is a superb option for the X1/C1.1/D1....just not sure it has the ooomph for the D3's. TBD.

    Hi Mike,

    You've mentioned that the Jeff Rowland S2 may not have enough ooomph for the Raidho D3's a couple of times now. Is this because the phono stage does not have enough gain (but other inputs are fine) or due to something else you have observed?

    Cheers
    Ralph
    Borresen Acoustics Loudspeakers, Borresen Model 01 Compact monitor loudspeakers with Ansuz Darkz T2s Supreme resonance control, Audio Video Manufaktur GmbH (AVM) Inspiration amplifier & streamer, Innuos Zen MKII music server, Ansuz Acoustics cables & accessories. Please visit my system thread hosted on Audioshark for more details. Disclosure: The author is materially connected to Ansuz, Aavik & Borresen Acoustics via friendship with an owner.

  20. #20
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    30,027

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Ralph - I really like this S2. The sound has improved quite a bit over the past 24 hours. I really like its form factor, size, looks, features, everything about it. At $9995 - it's a screaming good value IMO. That being said, the D3's need major juice. After 24 hours, I have found the volume is at 91 (out of 99.5) on vinyl and 81 (out of 99.5) on digital sources on average. That doesn't leave a lot of room for the proverbial "headroom". Now, the SMPS shouldn't show any compression....but you know what I mean. When pushed hard, you can tell this wonderful little integrated amp gets out of its comfort zone. I did turn it to full (99.5) and the sound was shrill (no popping on the D3's though!!) I don't notice any sonic degradation at 81 or 90.5. I can see on X1's, C1.1's or D1's, this being a "hand in a glove" situation. Wonderful synergy. It just may need a little more oomph for the D3's in a big room (mine is 45' x 15' with 13 foot ceilings). Maybe a 825 or 925 would be the ticket!

    Ralph - take a look at the specs on the Hegel H30. That has really got my attention. The Hegel has a higher output current than the Soulution and just as good a damping factor - plus more wattage. When I heard the Hegel at the shows, I was very impressed. Could be an interesting combo to hear.
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  21. #21
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Singapore
    Posts
    1,021

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Hi Mike,

    Well that is a disappointment. The S2 is rated at 400 watts per channel (rms), which ought to be sufficient for all Raidho loudspeaker models.

    It should not be necessary to have the volume pot almost wide open.

    The JR 825 or 925 or the Hegel H30 won't offer more power, if I read their specification sheets correctly.


    Out of interest how did your other amplifiers fare with the D3? Did you need more gain from them too, to achieve your desired listening level? I'm assuming here that the output from the Lumin is fine and is sufficient to enable the JR to reach full output power? Does the Lumin have a software settable volume and is that for example turned down? Just for the hell of it you might what to also compare the Lumin XLR and RCA outputs [connected to the JR] and if you are presently using the XLR connections check that both the Lumin and JR are both set for pin 2 hot to ensure you are running in correct polarity.
    Borresen Acoustics Loudspeakers, Borresen Model 01 Compact monitor loudspeakers with Ansuz Darkz T2s Supreme resonance control, Audio Video Manufaktur GmbH (AVM) Inspiration amplifier & streamer, Innuos Zen MKII music server, Ansuz Acoustics cables & accessories. Please visit my system thread hosted on Audioshark for more details. Disclosure: The author is materially connected to Ansuz, Aavik & Borresen Acoustics via friendship with an owner.

  22. #22
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    30,027

    Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    The D'ags and 601's struggled, but not too bad. Then when you hear the Soulution 501 or 711 handle them with ease (and only rated at 125 watts/channel and 150 watts/channel respectively), you have to look at other specs like output current.

    Maybe Jock can weigh in here and share his thoughts on his S2/D3 combo.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  23. #23
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Chicago suburbs
    Posts
    1,583

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Mike - Before I purchased the Rowland 625 I owned a Hegel H20 power amp. Hegel does offer exceptional value products and the H30 is a significant step up from the H20. However in the end I felt that the Rowland 625 provided a more refined sound with better textures, a more relaxed and musically involving performance, as well as far better build quality. I don't know if it matters to you or not, but while Hegel is based and designed in Norway they are assembled in China. If you have a chance to audition the H30 with your new D3 speakers it would be worth a shot, and the same applies for the 625. I never tried the 825 or 925 since they were beyond my realistic budget and I feared what that audition would likely lead to!

  24. #24
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    30,027

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Thanks Bill. Very interesting. I was looking at the 625 today. The Rowland gear is gorgeous.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  25. #25

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Totally agree, Mike!


    Allen



  26. #26
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Manhattan Beach, CA
    Posts
    610

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    I wish there was a published efficiency spec for the D3s. I know they required a lot of juice. My Pass Xs/XP30 was always 65-70+ on the pre. The Solution 530 was 75+.

    What I would like to know is how is the overall tone, bass energy and bass texture/variance with the Rowland?
    Michael

    Magico S5s; PASS Labs Xs150s and Xs preamplifier; Lumin A1; Synergistic Research Galileo LE Powercell, Galileo LE speaker cables and interconnects, Galileo LE Analog and Digital power cords, Transporter Ultra SE, Tranquility Bases, MiGs, HFTs, XOTs, FEQ, Vibratron and Bass Station.

  27. #27
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Chicago suburbs
    Posts
    1,583

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Quote Originally Posted by mdkim View Post
    I wish there was a published efficiency spec for the D3s. I know they required a lot of juice. My Pass Xs/XP30 was always 65-70+ on the pre. The Solution 530 was 75+.

    What I would like to know is how is the overall tone, bass energy and bass texture/variance with the Rowland?
    I haven't had the opportunity to hear the D3s, but it sounds like Mike may be checking out the Rowland 625 with his D3s in due time...

  28. #28
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    30,027

    Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Quote Originally Posted by audio.bill View Post
    I haven't had the opportunity to hear the D3s, but it sounds like Mike may be checking out the Rowland 625 with his D3s in due time...
    The new D3's are sounding wonderful. I'm delighted with them. None of the issues associated with gen 1. They are much more "a piece" then gen 1 D3. Now I have the speaker I was expecting when I made the big jump from the D1's.

    As for amps? Who knows? I'm going to enjoy the Rowland and let it continue to break in. It sounds great and I'll give that little sucker a good workout for sure!
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  29. #29
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Oregon Coast
    Posts
    3,424

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    I don't find that the Roland S2 is lacking in power with the D3s. If you have to play the D3 extremely loud - yes it gives out. The D'Agostino monos have more juice. But - you can play the D3s loud enough that the Dag gives out too.

    I really don't know if the Solution would fare any better than either the S2 or Dags. I have not tried them at home and I've never turned the D3s up near as loud at the dealer as I have at home.

    Again it's very loud - >102db continuous.

    The D3s can handle A LOT of power and are not efficient. But, truly guys, my Cary 211 w 70/110 watts does really good with 95+ db continuous.
    Jock

    If you have integrity, nothing else matters. If you don't have integrity, nothing else matters.

    ---------

    House: Naim ND555/2PS, Naim 552, Naim 500, Studer A80/Doshi V3, Magico M2s, 2 Magico Q-Sub 15s, Lumina IC/SC, Shunyata Everest and Omega PCs.

    Workshop: Naim ND555/2 PS, VAC Master Pre, VAC Sig 200iQ, Border Patrol pre/power, Avant Garde Duo Mezzo XD, 2 Magico Q-Sub 15s, Shunyata IC/SC, Shunyata Typhon QR/Triton V3/Sigma PCs.

  30. #30
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Singapore
    Posts
    1,021

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Quote Originally Posted by the professor View Post
    I don't find that the Roland S2 is lacking in power with the D3s. If you have to play the D3 extremely loud - yes it gives out. The D'Agostino monos have more juice. But - you can play the D3s loud enough that the Dag gives out too.

    I really don't know if the Solution would fare any better than either the S2 or Dags. I have not tried them at home and I've never turned the D3s up near as loud at the dealer as I have at home.

    Again it's very loud - >102db continuous.

    The D3s can handle A LOT of power and are not efficient. But, truly guys, my Cary 211 w 70/110 watts does really good with 95+ db continuous.

    Thats interesting Jock. Perhaps your D3's are more broken in than Mikes and the initial stiffness of the drivers is the difference in your observations?

    I really would have expected the S2 to have ample power to drive the D3's.

    >102dB continuous is extremely loud. If that measured at your listening position the speakers are actually pushing out over 110dB.
    Borresen Acoustics Loudspeakers, Borresen Model 01 Compact monitor loudspeakers with Ansuz Darkz T2s Supreme resonance control, Audio Video Manufaktur GmbH (AVM) Inspiration amplifier & streamer, Innuos Zen MKII music server, Ansuz Acoustics cables & accessories. Please visit my system thread hosted on Audioshark for more details. Disclosure: The author is materially connected to Ansuz, Aavik & Borresen Acoustics via friendship with an owner.

  31. #31
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    30,027

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Jock - I would be interested to know what your S2 volume reads at your normal to loud listening level. Depending on the recording, mine is 72-80. Maybe I'm just particular about that. I never like to see the volume that high. As you pointed out, 85.5 means zero gain from the preamp.

    But then again, the SMPS should ensure (correct me if I'm wrong) that there is little to no compression at these higher volumes.
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  32. #32
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Oregon Coast
    Posts
    3,424

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    I'm in that same range.

    Of course with the D'Agostino preamp we don't have any numbers for the volume, but we do know visually where the zero gain level is. And just eyeballing it, I'm within the same 85-90% of that level for normal listening. And that level is the same whether I'm using the Cary or the Dag monos.







    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Jock - I would be interested to know what your S2 volume reads at your normal to loud listening level. Depending on the recording, mine is 72-80. Maybe I'm just particular about that. I never like to see the volume that high. As you pointed out, 85.5 means zero gain from the preamp.

    But then again, the SMPS should ensure (correct me if I'm wrong) that there is little to no compression at these higher volumes.
    Jock

    If you have integrity, nothing else matters. If you don't have integrity, nothing else matters.

    ---------

    House: Naim ND555/2PS, Naim 552, Naim 500, Studer A80/Doshi V3, Magico M2s, 2 Magico Q-Sub 15s, Lumina IC/SC, Shunyata Everest and Omega PCs.

    Workshop: Naim ND555/2 PS, VAC Master Pre, VAC Sig 200iQ, Border Patrol pre/power, Avant Garde Duo Mezzo XD, 2 Magico Q-Sub 15s, Shunyata IC/SC, Shunyata Typhon QR/Triton V3/Sigma PCs.

  33. #33
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Oregon Coast
    Posts
    3,424

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Yes, that is at my listening position - 9-10' from speakers.

    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi_1282001 View Post
    Thats interesting Jock. Perhaps your D3's are more broken in than Mikes and the initial stiffness of the drivers is the difference in your observations?

    I really would have expected the S2 to have ample power to drive the D3's.

    >102dB continuous is extremely loud. If that measured at your listening position the speakers are actually pushing out over 110dB.
    Jock

    If you have integrity, nothing else matters. If you don't have integrity, nothing else matters.

    ---------

    House: Naim ND555/2PS, Naim 552, Naim 500, Studer A80/Doshi V3, Magico M2s, 2 Magico Q-Sub 15s, Lumina IC/SC, Shunyata Everest and Omega PCs.

    Workshop: Naim ND555/2 PS, VAC Master Pre, VAC Sig 200iQ, Border Patrol pre/power, Avant Garde Duo Mezzo XD, 2 Magico Q-Sub 15s, Shunyata IC/SC, Shunyata Typhon QR/Triton V3/Sigma PCs.

  34. #34
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Charleston area, SC
    Posts
    126

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    All, besides new D3s likely having stiff drivers hence being somewhat less than responsive, a CS2 with only sevral hours on it generates a fraction of its eventual authority . In the case of my M925 monos, authority developed over several hundred hours. G.
    Electronics: Rowland Daemon 1500W Superintegrated, Rowland Aeris DAC+PSU, M925 430W monos, Esoteric X-01 transport
    Speakers: Vienna Die Muzik
    Cables: Cardas Clear Beyond XL PCs, Clear Reflection XLR ICs and speaker wires, Clear digital coax

  35. #35
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    30,027

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Yes Guido - I am seeing the same thing. It's really sounding wonderful. So clean.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  36. #36
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    30,027

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    The S2 might be staying. It has such a good synergy with the D3's and Ansuz. It's been running 24/7 and now has close to 100 hours on it.


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  37. #37
    Super Moderator
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    NY
    Posts
    18,726

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    The S2 might be staying. It has such a good synergy with the D3's and Ansuz. It's been running 24/7 and now has close to 100 hours on it.


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
    What !?!?!?!?!?!? Says the guy with Hegel in his avatar.

    Can this be true. You're not the Mike I know. What happened?
    Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.

    Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE

    NAD C 658 streamer.

    First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)

    Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.

    Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.

  38. #38
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    30,027

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    What !?!?!?!?!?!? Says the guy with Hegel in his avatar.

    Can this be true. You're not the Mike I know. What happened?
    Maybe try both? I really like this little integrated. Its growing on me.
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  39. #39

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    The S-2 is a killer.. You have to try the DAC and you have a amp which easily outperform most pre-power compos...

  40. #40
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    30,027

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Quote Originally Posted by Raidho View Post
    The S-2 is a killer.. You have to try the DAC and you have a amp which easily outperform most pre-power compos...
    Lars - you have surfaced! The demo unit has the phonostage in it. I use a Lumin streamer, so I would never use the DAC. But you are correct, it is the favorite amp in my house for the D3's.

    Lars - what's your thoughts on Hegel with Raidho? On paper it looks like it would be quite good.
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  41. #41

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Personally I like the Hegel products alot... They make honest products .. Next month Michael will show our D-1 and X-1 together with Hegel at the Newport Show... So we are very excited to see how that works out.., In the past we have tryed the Hegel H 300 which sounded great on our speakers

  42. #42

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    I'm trying an S2 at the moment! Using it with my Moon MiND 180 streaming transport and Raidho C-1.1. I'm comparing it against my Devialet 170 (now Devialet 200 with the latest update). The drawbacks with my tests are that I don't have any speaker cables with spades and could only borrow some Transparent Musicwave cables. I also have a homemade power cable using Van Damme 2.5mm - better cable to arrive within the next few days hopefully. Digital cable is Transparent Reference XL S/PDIF. System is on an Entreq Tellus, and I also have balanced power supplies.
    I don't know how much running this S2 has had but it's unlikely to be 1000 hours.

    First impressions. Smoother than the Devialet, darker fuller bass. Resolution is a bit poorer. It's not as dynamic as the Devialet either. It is generally very good though and quite close. I'm not really sure which I prefer. the S2 is more laid-back and easier to listen to for extended sessions. It's definitely a bit 'darker' than the Devialet in literal terms of frequency end and also metaphoric sonic character.

    The disadvantage the S2 has is the Musicwave speaker cables and I suspect this may be what's mutiing the dynamics. Transparent make great cables but the few times I've heard their lesser speaker cables I haven't been too impressed, and this is a near-bottom of the range cable. To do this justice I need to get better cables I think!

  43. #43

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    I forgot to add - this amp is just gorgeous to look at. I could almost buy one just to look at it!

  44. #44
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Charleston area, SC
    Posts
    126

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Hi Rufus, Rowland has used Cardas Clear and Clear Beyond with fabulous results on its components, including Continuum S2.... That is what they used at RMAF 2013.

    While I have not had Cardas and CS2 in my system, I have found all my Rowland components to yield consistent magnificent synergy with Nordost Valhalla 2, as well as with Shunyata wires.
    Electronics: Rowland Daemon 1500W Superintegrated, Rowland Aeris DAC+PSU, M925 430W monos, Esoteric X-01 transport
    Speakers: Vienna Die Muzik
    Cables: Cardas Clear Beyond XL PCs, Clear Reflection XLR ICs and speaker wires, Clear digital coax

  45. #45

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Thanks! I manged to get some banana -> spade converters to use my speaker cables so at least the comparison is easier. I have Audiovector Avantagarde cables which are a hangover from my previous speakers, but are very good and have proved very versatile.

    Basically with my speaker cable it's miles better! Detail in spades - in fact I'd say better than the Devialet in that respect. Strangely I've lost that amazing bass the S2 can project which is irritating. but partly that could be due to better resolution and the perception of bass being lost whereas it's easier to make out. The spade -> banana converters probably aren't helping either. Cymbals are much better with the S2 - something a little bit lacking on my Devialet. I'm going to stick my neck out here and say even with fairly poorly matched cables and not being fully run-in, I prefer the S2 to my Devialet. The only snag for me is the price - it's not far off the same in GB pounds as it is in dollars in the US. That and the fact I'd absolutely need new speaker cables (which I do anyway frankly!) is starting to get expensive.
    Now comparing it against a Devialet 240 is really a fairer comparison, and in that instance I think the S2 wins on sound quality and price. It's quite close though. Another disadvantage for the Devialet in my experience is it needs a very good power supply and power cords to really work properly, perhaps something the S2 is less fussy about? This may explain why the Devialet isn't always so good at shows and can sound thin and harsh if not set up optimally.
    However a very godo reason to keep my Devialet is the number of updates in the pipeline - Speaker Active Matching, power upgrades and others yet to come.

  46. #46
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    30,027

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Going from sheer memory, I really liked the Devialet 170 I had here. Can't say it is better or worse than the S2...but it was always pleasing.

    Thanks to David at Design Audio, I have a Hegel H300 inbound to try (demo).

    I'm debating right now whether going crazy on amps and preamp makes more sense or a sweet little integrated with Ansuz D cabling.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  47. #47

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    I'm thinking it might be a sideways move for me. I have a sneaky suspicion I'd enjoy the Continuum S2 more, but I'm fairly well optimised for the Devialet and the cost to change perhaps does't warrant it. Aren't we spoiled for choice with good value integrated amps though?

  48. #48
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    30,027

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rufus McDufus View Post
    I'm thinking it might be a sideways move for me. I have a sneaky suspicion I'd enjoy the Continuum S2 more, but I'm fairly well optimised for the Devialet and the cost to change perhaps does't warrant it. Aren't we spoiled for choice with good value integrated amps though?
    We are! Have you tried the Hegel H300?
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  49. #49

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    I haven't. Looking for a UK-based distributor right now!
    thoroughly enjoying the Devialet at the moment though. I snagged a Transparent Reference XL S/PDIF between streamer and Devialet this week. It's a large upgrade.

  50. #50

    Re: Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

    I am running an Audio Reserach DSI 200 with my Sonus Faber Olympica 3. But the Continuum S2 is one machine I really would like to experience. Has any one had a chance to compare the two - or have any thoughts on how they will differ from each other from a character point of view.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
AudioShark - The Best High End Audio Discussion forum.

AudioShark forum is a leading forum site for High End Audio Discussion, Stereo System Discussion, Home Theater System Discussion, Best Home Stereo System Discussion, Home Theater Installation Discussion etc.

The AudioShark forum was created for sharing the passion of high-end Audio. We have Audiophiles from all over the world participating and sharing their knowledge. From novice to experts, you will find a friendly environment for discussing about High End Audio, Stereo System, Home Theater System, Home Stereo System, Home Theater Installation, Amplifiers, Speakers, Subwoofers, Integrated System, Acoustic treatments & Digital Room Corrections and many more.

At AudioShark, we also have incorporated an exciting Marketplace where members can peruse terrific buys on used gear, as well as meet dealers and discuss the purchase of new gear.

We are as crazy about this hobby as you are! So come on in and join us! Audioshark.org the Friendliest Audio Forum!

Industry Participation Disclosure : The owner and administrator of Audioshark is the owner of Suncoast Audio LLC in Sarasota Florida. Suncoast Audio has a full brick and mortar presence in Sarasota with several great show rooms with many world class brands. More information can be found at http://www.suncoastaudio.com

Audioshark is a community of like minded individuals. Audioshark welcomes participation from all manufacturers and owners of all brands and products. It is our belief that online forums provide a community of like minded audiophiles and music lovers to encourage the growth of this wonderful hobby.

Sincerely,
The Audioshark.org Team

Jeff Rowland S2 Continuum in the house!

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •