Accuphase P-6100 amp

[MDP]

Next week I will be testing an Accuphase P-6100 stereo amp on my system. I've always wanted to pair an Accuphase amp with my Salon2's,so this should be very exciting !! The P-6100 is rated at 110 wpc @ 8ohms/220 @ 4ohms/440 @ 2ohms and 700 @ 1ohm. The Accuphase sound is very intoxicating ! I'm hoping it pairs well with the Revel speakers.

Special thanks to David Baskin @ Design Audio Video for the chance to do this in my own home !!

[Mike]

Mark - this is going to be a very interesting shootout against the big CAM's. We look forward to your review and writeup (pictures too please!).

[dlb2]

Mark, I can't wait to hear how they compare to the Classe's. Would you go with a stereo amp if it works out or look into getting mono's instead? I think the Accuphase mono selection is quite limited though.

[MDP]

Doug, the stereo amp would most likely be the one. The Accuphase mono's aren't cheap

[joeinid]

Hi Mark,

I am very curious as to your thoughts on the Accuphase P-6100. This will be fun!

Next week I will be testing an Accuphase P-6100 stereo amp on my system. I've always wanted to pair an Accuphase amp with my Salon2's,so this should be very exciting !! The P-6100 is rated at 110 wpc @ 8ohms/220 @ 4ohms/440 @ 2ohms and 700 @ 1ohm. The Accuphase sound is very intoxicating ! I'm hoping it pairs well with the Revel speakers.

Special thanks to David Baskin @ Design Audio Video for the chance to do this in my own home !!

[the professor]

+1

Hi Mark,

I am very curious as to your thoughts on the Accuphase P-6100. This will be fun!

[kiwi_1282001]

Hi Mark,

I am very curious as to your thoughts on the Accuphase P-6100. This will be fun!

+1

[MacFly]

Mark, You have my attention really looking forward to your thoughts on this combo.

Kevin

[MDP]

I'll be picking it up Tuesday or Thursday, I can't wait either !

I'll let everybody know

[Ritmo]

This will be fun Mark! Look forward to your comments.

[Big B]

I look forward to comments as well.

[MDP]

Well, I'm headed to David's place to pick up the Accuphase P-6100 !! David told me the Nordost rep will be there today also, lots of fun. I can't wait to get that amp home and power up the Salon 2's

[Ritmo]

So Marc, it's been about 12 hrs, any news?

[joeinid]

So Marc, it's been about 12 hrs, any news?

He's probably cleaning up right about now.

[Ritmo]

Good one Joe! You are probably right!

[Mike]

Well Mark? Are there going to be a pair of Classe CAM-600's going up for sale anytime soon?

[Ritmo]

[MDP]

Well Mark? Are there going to be a pair of Classe CAM-600's going up for sale anytime soon?

Tomorrow !!

More to come......................................

[Mike]

Tomorrow !!

More to come......................................

Exciting!

[sharkmouth]

Doug, the stereo amp would most likely be the one. The Accuphase mono's aren't cheap

Mark, go mono or go home, it's only disposable income!

[Ritmo]

Tough crowd!

[Ritmo]

Well, today I called Mark. I won't go into details (hope Mark posts sometime soon!) but I think he may have liked this amp...

[Mike]

I had to send back the Devialet 170 today and switching back to the Accuphase, I can see why Mark loves the brand. Just beautiful sounding.

[the professor]

I agree. I'm really looking forward to getting my E-600 that's on order.

[MDP]

I'll make a post tomorrow, let's just say I'm too busy listening

[kiwi_1282001]

Hi Mark,

I am very curious as to your thoughts on the Accuphase P-6100. This will be fun!

+1

+1 again

[MDP]

I posted on the amplifier section, I want people that have no interest in Accuphase to read it before I move it here.

[Mike]

Great review Mark. Thanks!!

[MDP]

Great review Mark. Thanks!!

[Penthouse-D]

Just curious. MSRP??

[the professor]

$25,000

[Penthouse-D]

Thanks. That's a fair amount of cash for a stereo amp. Lots of choices in that price range. You wonder how much of that is import duty. Always loved the quality of Accuphase and Furutech for that matter. The Japanese make fine gear….

[Anatta]

The Accuphase pricing outside Japan is horrible. In Japan the MSRP of the P-6100 is Yen 945.000 (US$9.3k).

The MSRP of A-200 is Yen 2.625.000/pair (US$26k) vs US$69k in US.

[NorthStar]

WoW!

* You pay for the flag, which one, both?

[RLL1]

The Accuphase pricing outside Japan is horrible. In Japan the MSRP of the P-6100 is Yen 945.000 (US$9.3k).

The MSRP of A-200 is Yen 2.625.000/pair (US$26k) vs US$69k in US.

Yikes!!

[apdoc2004]

Hi Guys,
This is my first post on audioshark. I have thoroughly enjoyed reading all the wonderful posts on this forum. As much as I love Accuphase gear for its build quality and the drop dead gorgeous looks, I cannot understand the US pricing. It cannot just be the import duty as the price differential between Luxman gear sold in the US and its price in Japan is significantly less. I think that the US importer for Accuphase, Axiss Audio, wants a much higher profit margin than the Luxman importer (On a Higher Note). At a business level, I have no problem with that as this strategy is Axiss Audio's prerogative and obviously has worked well for them. But just as an aside, I had called both distributors to discuss their Class A integrateds--Philip O' Hanlon (On a Higher Note) talked to me on the phone for nearly 30 minutes explaining the fine differences between Luxman's integrated offerings--he is a real class act. On the other hand, Mr. Arturo Manzano at Axiss Audio flatly refused to take my call (asking his receptionist to tell me bluntly that he had nothing to say about Accuphase products!).

[joeinid]

Welcome apdoc2004!

Thank you for joining.

[NorthStar]

Hi Guys,
This is my first post on audioshark. I have thoroughly enjoyed reading all the wonderful posts on this forum. As much as I love Accuphase gear for its build quality and the drop dead gorgeous looks, I cannot understand the US pricing. It cannot just be the import duty as the price differential between Luxman gear sold in the US and its price in Japan is significantly less. I think that the US importer for Accuphase, Axiss Audio, wants a much higher profit margin than the Luxman importer (On a Higher Note). At a business level, I have no problem with that as this strategy is Axiss Audio's prerogative and obviously has worked well for them.

But just as an aside, I had called both distributors to discuss their Class A integrateds--Philip O' Hanlon (On a Higher Note) talked to me on the phone for nearly 30 minutes explaining the fine differences between Luxman's integrated offerings--he is a real class act. On the other hand, Mr. Arturo Manzano at Axiss Audio flatly refused to take my call (asking his receptionist to tell me bluntly that he had nothing to say about Accuphase products!).

Is that telling you something very clearly? ...To me it does. Thx for sharing.

And a very warm Welcome to the aquarium (Shark)!

[apdoc2004]

Thank you for the nice welcome guys--I hope to learn from everybody's collective experiences and possibly contribute to the discussion whenever I can.
Anshul

[Elberoth]

Not sure if that will make you feel any better, but in Europe Accuphase gear is also very expensive (compared to Japaneese prices).

[the professor]

I've never had first hand experience but I had always heard that Arturo was always helpful.

Hi Guys,
This is my first post on audioshark. I have thoroughly enjoyed reading all the wonderful posts on this forum. As much as I love Accuphase gear for its build quality and the drop dead gorgeous looks, I cannot understand the US pricing. It cannot just be the import duty as the price differential between Luxman gear sold in the US and its price in Japan is significantly less. I think that the US importer for Accuphase, Axiss Audio, wants a much higher profit margin than the Luxman importer (On a Higher Note). At a business level, I have no problem with that as this strategy is Axiss Audio's prerogative and obviously has worked well for them. But just as an aside, I had called both distributors to discuss their Class A integrateds--Philip O' Hanlon (On a Higher Note) talked to me on the phone for nearly 30 minutes explaining the fine differences between Luxman's integrated offerings--he is a real class act. On the other hand, Mr. Arturo Manzano at Axiss Audio flatly refused to take my call (asking his receptionist to tell me bluntly that he had nothing to say about Accuphase products!).

[Mike]

He's terrific. When I read this, I was in shock. I know in David's opinion, he sets the benchmark for all distributors.

[apdoc2004]

Hi Jock & Mike,
That was my impression too (from what I had read about him). I was taken aback when the lady (who picked up the phone) got back to me (after checking with him) and said in plain simple language--"He does not have anything to say about Accuphase integrated amplifiers--your dealer should answer your questions". I told her that my local dealer just lists Accuphase as one of his lines but does not have any actual experience with the integrated amplifier, but her response was the same. I repeated my request but got the same response. She did not ask for my phone number so that he could call me back at a time convenient to him. I followed this phone conversation with an e-mail which was very specific in what I wanted to find out. To my disappointment, there has been no reply (the e-mail was sent ~ 10 days ago).
The point I am making is that when you are trying to sell a premium priced product, you should be prepared to talk to a potential customer for ~ 5 minutes. Based upon this experience, I concluded that Arturo does not feel the same way or care--hence, he lost out on a customer.
Anshul

[Mike]

To be fair, that isn't his job. It really is the job of your dealer. Now, your dealer could request more info on your behalf.

[Penthouse-D]

$9300 to $25K. That's a lot of "fluff" for someone....

[Elberoth]

The point I am making is that when you are trying to sell a premium priced product, you should be prepared to talk to a potential customer for ~ 5 minutes.

+1.

A fellow audiophile from Polish hifi forum had once called Burmester headquaters in Germany with some specific questions about their gear. 1h later, Dieter Burmester himself had called him back. He ended up getting a pair of 911 monos and 077 pre with PSU ...

The guy obviously knows how to treat his (prospective) customers.

[apdoc2004]

Adam--Thank you for supporting the point that I am trying to make. Going above & beyond in your customer service never hurt anyone.
Mike--On a theoretical level, I agree with you. However, I also feel that if you are passionate about the brands you represent as a distributor, you should be willing to have a brief converation with a potential buyer. As you well know, the scarcity of Accuphase products in dealer showrooms makes it very difficult to get a decent audition. That was my main reason in reaching out to the distributor.
Kudos to Dieter Burmester for calling the customer himself. I have had multiple pleasant and extremely informative communications with the actual owners/designers of products (Resolution audio, Aerial acoustics, PS Audio, Audience, Acoustic Zen, Wyred4Sound etc.). Each time I ended up buying a product from their lineups. Not once was I told to talk to my dealer.
Anshul

[the professor]

I agree that it is almost inexcusable. If that's how you are treated before you buy then if/when you have problems you don't have a chance.

I also know in business that sometimes things happen that are just not the way it normally is.

With all of the positive things I've heard I'm hoping this is the case. But your experience is absolutely in the back of my mind just like all the positive info I've heard.

Thanks for sharing.

[Audioseduction]

Mark, why would you go from 600 WPC to 110 WPC? Was your Classe monos way over kill in power for your Salon 2s?

[veindoc]

Quality not quantity comes to mind. High current enough for difficult loads. But ultimately sonic improvements with more than enough power for the current room size. Big watts per channel( IE class D amps) does not always translate to better. IMHO

Nick