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November 28, 2013, 04:34 PM #51
Re: Accuphase P-6100 amp
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November 28, 2013, 05:18 PM #52
Accuphase P-6100 amp
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May I ask what you wanted to talk to Arturo about? Why would he say he is not talking about the Accuphase products.The Accuphase and Soulution brands are his babies. I cannot imagine him not willing to talk to anyone who calls about either brand. He is a very well respected man in the industry. As far as pricing goes who knows what he has to pay to have the brand imported to the US. Accuphase may charge a premium just for the voltage change. Accuphase is priced competitively with any of the high end brands. Dagostino, Krell, Pass Labs, Burmester just to name a few. The price is definitely justified by the build quality and performance. Now if you called to discuss why the US pricing is more than anywhere else, then frankly I would say its none of your business. Is Pass Labs questioned about charging 80k for a US made product? Probably not and Accuphase is definitely on par with Pass Labs. If you seek knowledge about an Accuphase product try a local dealer to start with. That is why manufactures have dealers to better serve the consumer. Sorry if I'm being rude but honestly I'm sick of hearing about Accuphase costing more over here by people that don't know. I'm sure Arturo is making the same margins as any other distributor.Design Audio Video is a dealer for:
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November 28, 2013, 05:24 PM #53
Re: Accuphase P-6100 amp
Well said David. After reviewing Accuphase products, I feel they represent a fair market value, often exceeding products costing much more. And their build quality is unrivaled.
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November 28, 2013, 06:04 PM #54
Re: Accuphase P-6100 amp
Accuphase pricing is absolutely in line w other high end manufacturers.
For example. The P-6100 sound quality is on par with the Dagostino stereo amp. And is actually $3,500 cheaper. The two have different sound qualities. But both are in the same league. Build quality are both extraordinary. Two totally different styles.Jock
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November 28, 2013, 07:40 PM #55
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Re: Accuphase P-6100 amp
David,
I was going to put a stop to this issue but am compelled to post a reply to your rude post. Since you have decided to change the tone of this coversation, I will follow suit. I posted my experience about calling the Accuphase distributor. As to why he would not come to the phone to answer some simple questions from a potential customer, why don't you call him and ask him that question? If you find out the answer, do let me know as I am as mystified by this as you are! Maybe he was having a bad day, but then he never answered my e-mail either. He may be a well respected man in the industry but my experience left me very disappointed.
Read my initial post carefully before shooting your mouth off--I never complained about the high price of Accuphase products. All I said was that their margins for selling Accuphase products in the US were much greater compared to Luxman. I also said that this is the distributor's prerogative. If this strategy has been working well for him, more power to him. I was prepared to buy an Accuphase amp inspite of the high prices.
I called Arturo to ask him about the difference between the Class A & Class AB Accuphase integrateds since I have received conflicting information about their ability to drive my speakers (Dynaudio Sapphire). I only did this after talking to 3-4 dealers (none of whom had much experience with the amps or the speaker in question). I do not see what is wrong with calling Arturo. If he has his contact phone number listed on the website, I would assume that he does not mind receiving calls from customers. In any case, why I call Arturo is none of your business.
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November 28, 2013, 08:23 PM #56
Accuphase P-6100 amp
Ok, sorry if I was rude.its just I'm not used to hearing negative talk about people on this forum. You did it with your first post. Sorry everyone for speaking out when I should keep my mouth shut.
Design Audio Video is a dealer for:
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Accuphase, Constellation, Pass Labs, McIntosh, Krell, Bryston, Devialet, Mark Levinson, EAR, T+A, Octave
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Tara Labs, Shunyata, Nordost, Straightwire, Ansuz, Transparent
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November 28, 2013, 08:33 PM #57
Re: Accuphase P-6100 amp
David, I never want you to keep your mouth shut. I value your views and opinions.
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November 28, 2013, 08:53 PM #58
Accuphase P-6100 amp
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November 28, 2013, 09:23 PM #59
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November 28, 2013, 09:47 PM #60
Re: Accuphase P-6100 amp
I've reread three times this thread, and not once did I find a single word that wasn't appropriate.
Everybody is extremely polite and giving. There was simply differing opinions based on different experiences, and that is all.
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November 28, 2013, 09:52 PM #61
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November 28, 2013, 09:54 PM #62
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Ok, let's get this thread back on track! Accuphase 6100 reviews!
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November 28, 2013, 10:01 PM #63
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Right on right on right on!
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November 29, 2013, 07:00 PM #64
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I couldn't help offering another perspective on Arturo.
I contacted him early this year with some questions on Soulution products and found him to be extremely nice, accommodating and very helpful. My dealer was excellent, as you would hope, but Arturo had more first hand experience with the whole product line, and he was kind enough to share his honest appraisals.
Just my two cents.
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November 29, 2013, 11:03 PM #65Mark
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December 19, 2013, 03:37 PM #66
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Regarding the high US prices of Accuphase, it is, to put it gently, a head scratcher. I don't blame some people here for being unwilling to pay these high prices. So therefore, you can easily import the units from Japan yourselves from the many Japanese dealers who offer this service, and rewire the units. I know how to do this, so no problem. Alternatively, you can run the units through transformers, but this is said to degrade the sound. Anyway, keep all options open, and go from there. Of course, there will be no warranty, and if you need service, you'll either have to diy, or take it to an independent tech as the authorized Accuphase service center won't touch it.
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December 19, 2013, 04:49 PM #67
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Dave, this forum is not in favor of Black Market audio gear. We are here to help our members with information from dealers,distributors, and manufacturers. I fully understand that a few people would like to buy gear the way you're talking about,and they know how to do it without anyone promoting it here.
Thanks.Mark
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December 19, 2013, 05:05 PM #68
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December 19, 2013, 05:58 PM #69
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Everything's cool !!
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December 19, 2013, 10:34 PM #70
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December 19, 2013, 10:37 PM #71
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Well said Mark, thank you.
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