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    Focus 160s

    The Dyn forum seems to be a little bare...thought I could post my thoughts here about the Focus 160s.

    Upon opening up both the speakers and the Stand6's, I noticed the quality of packing and then units themselves to both be of high quality - the stands are both sturdy and substantial.

    The piano black finish on the 160's is quite nice. Assembling the stands is easy and the quality control is pretty high. Holes match up as they should and all of the nuts and bolts form a tight fit with no play.

    I snapped some pics as I opened everything up...I'll post them later tonight.

    So far, I am enjoying what the Focus 160's have been able to give me. Break in will be long but it will be enjoyable. I have checked out about 4-5 cds which I am pretty familiar with and the sound is musical. It will be exciting to hear what the 'final product' will sound like.

    See Supernait 2 thread for more info: http://audioshark.org/integrated-sys...l#.Uin1UaxiClA
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    Congratulations Sean. Here's to smooth sailing.
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    Congrats again!
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    Re: Focus 160s

    Just play some house music for a day or two, that will loosen up those drivers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlb2 View Post
    Just play some house music for a day or two, that will loosen up those drivers!
    You know it, Doug! I got to listen last night and kept everything powered up overnight. Christine is home today and I showed her how to run everything so they should be getting a little run-in while I'm here at work, too!
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    Sweet Sean! I can't wait to hear how things sound after a few hundred hours. Especially your impressions of the Supernait2.

    Did you say which cables you're using? (I'm too lazy to go back and check!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlb2 View Post
    Sweet Sean! I can't wait to hear how things sound after a few hundred hours. Especially your impressions of the Supernait2.

    Did you say which cables you're using? (I'm too lazy to go back and check!)
    I am very excited, too!

    I suppose when I talk about the sound from the Dyn's, you can easily give a lot of credit to the SN2, as well. Since both were brought in at the same time, I won't likely be able to separate what each brings to the table, individually, without speculation. The sound (from both the SN2 and 160's) is very musical, something you'll hear from most Naim users. I just have fun sitting down to listen. I like a pretty wide range of music - 90's alternative (stuff I grew up on); classic rock; and some jazz and classical. So far, Adele, Matchbox Twenty, and Dave Matthews all sound pretty good.

    No worries, I don't think I have posted my cabling. I went with Naim's NACA5 (5M) for speaker cable and Chord's Cobra interconnect. If you have read about Naim, I am sure you know about Naim gear and how they are designed to use specific cabling. The thing I thought was funny about their recommendation about speaker cable is to use longer lengths. Naim doesn't build in extra inductance networks in the output of the amps, as they handle that at the speaker cable. The longer lengths keep the amp stable.
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    Congrats Sean
    Naim and Dynaudio has great synergy and PrAT. Just a quick warning - the sound may change dramatically during the break in process. My original C1's went from very good to horrible to great. But I was warned by my dealer that would happen. He also told me the C1's of all the Dyn speakers went though the toughest break in. When I got the Sig's the break in wasn't as bad so hopefully the new Focus series won't be as tough of a break in process. Just give them at least 250 hrs before making any judgement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by octadyndude View Post
    Congrats Sean
    Naim and Dynaudio has great synergy and PrAT. Just a quick warning - the sound may change dramatically during the break in process. My original C1's went from very good to horrible to great. But I was warned by my dealer that would happen. He also told me the C1's of all the Dyn speakers went though the toughest break in. When I got the Sig's the break in wasn't as bad so hopefully the new Focus series won't be as tough of a break in process. Just give them at least 250 hrs before making any judgement.
    Thank you, George. So far the (in)famous Dyn break-in is going well. Looking forward to continue pushing through.

    I see you're pushing your C1's with Octave. Their synergy with Dyn is also well documented. Have you been able to compare both Naim and Octave within your home setup? I'd be interested in your comments, if so.
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    I did compare the Naim XS directly to the V70se when I had it. When I bought the C1 sig I bought my dealers pair from the first shipment in the USA. As they broke in (450 hrs) my dealer had a client from California that wanted to hear them with a Naim XS which he had. So Tyler loaned me the XS and P/S with a cd5. Had it in my home for 3 days. I was somewhat surprised how close it sounded to the V70se. With the slight edge going to the Octave having a hair more 'control' in the music. Both had the PRaT that I really liked when I first heard the Naim. I did also notice a slight midbass hump with the XS.

    I never directly compared the SuperNait although I was within a hair of buying one after hearing at my dealer when I was looking to replace my Bryston B100sst. But while I was thinking about it I got a wild hair up my butt to try tubes. My thought was instead of buying a new amp I could just swap some tubes. As it turned out my dealer Tyler at NextLevelav had a customer who changed his order from the V70se to the V80 just after it shipped. He brought it over to my home for a 3 day demo. Well it just crushed the Bryston in every way. So I snagged it and never looked back. I'm having a ball rolling tubes. With the right combo I can change the sound from very detailed and linear to warm and musical. Then I had the opportunity to upgrade the the V110. Figured why not because even though the V70se can use the KT120 it can't deliver any more power. The V110 has a switch on the back to change the plate voltage to 620V (110w) from 540V (70w) so I can use all of my EL34's - 6550's and KT88/90's.
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    George,

    Thanks for the info on Octave and your C1 sigs. I miss my Dyn C1's. They are great speakers and I can imagine the synergy with Octave is outstanding. Are the C1 Sigs still competitive or do you expect any new Dynaudio models coming out? I'll have to talk to Tyler about the Octave gear. Does your Octave V110 have the auto shut off feature?
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    Joe YES it does. Actually the V110 is a modified V70SE that also has switchable plate voltage (540V for 70w to 620V for 110W) with some better caps to better stabilize the input mains power. Otherwise it has all the features of the V70SE. What I haven't done though is compare the V70SE or V110 to the V80 which has better output transformers.

    As far as Dynaudio I heard a RUMOR that they will be changing some of the existing lineups faster than in previous years. But for me personally I think the C1 MKII/Sig is a great value at its price point. The only speaker I have heard that I like better is the Raidho D1's. Only monitors work in my room and I can't afford 3 X's the cost of the Signatures for the D1's.
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    Thanks!

    I'm back on the Octave website checking their gear out. I've always loved the looks of it.

    Dynaudio make amazing speakers and I still can not get over the wide sound stage and wonderful sound of the C1 Sigs that I owned. I always thought I'd move up to the C2's which I think size wise would be perfect for me. Hmmmm. Something to think about.

    Quote Originally Posted by octadyndude View Post
    Joe YES it does. Actually the V110 is a modified V70SE that also has switchable plate voltage (540V for 70w to 620V for 110W) with some better caps to better stabilize the input mains power. Otherwise it has all the features of the V70SE. What I haven't done though is compare the V70SE or V110 to the V80 which has better output transformers.

    As far as Dynaudio I heard a RUMOR that they will be changing some of the existing lineups faster than in previous years. But for me personally I think the C1 MKII/Sig is a great value at its price point. The only speaker I have heard that I like better is the Raidho D1's. Only monitors work in my room and I can't afford 3 X's the cost of the Signatures for the D1's.
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    The C4's are my favorite in the Dyn lineup. Just wish I had a better/bigger room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by octadyndude View Post
    The C4's are my favorite in the Dyn lineup. Just wish I had a better/bigger room.
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    Congrats on the focus 160s. They are superb speakers. I had a pair in gloss white and they looked stunning. And I felt the sound was shockingly close to the much more expensive c1. The c1 still pulls ahead in resolution, but the focus 160 is a great speaker.

    Love to see some pics. I'm thinking about shelling out for some of those stand 6s. Ae they easier to assemble than the stand 4 (which was a bear)? Also, are they easy to fill with sand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post
    Congrats on the focus 160s. They are superb speakers. I had a pair in gloss white and they looked stunning. And I felt the sound was shockingly close to the much more expensive c1. The c1 still pulls ahead in resolution, but the focus 160 is a great speaker.

    Love to see some pics. I'm thinking about shelling out for some of those stand 6s. Ae they easier to assemble than the stand 4 (which was a bear)? Also, are they easy to fill with sand?
    Hi Jax,

    Nice to see you here. I see you replaced the C1's and NAD....a new sound can always be fun. The 160's are giving me everything I have expected so far and I'm still young in the break-in.

    I won't be able to comment on stand construction vs the 4 but the 6's were pretty breezy. Just a few (solid) parts and it didn't take too long despite taking my time. I haven't filled with lead or sand but the manual says you can.
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    Ooo, those do look fab in gloss black! Sweet!

    Here's my advice, go download (hi res only of course) a copy of the album "water" by the beautiful girls. Put that on and crank that naim dyn combo.
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    Btw, how's the supernait treating you? Can you compare to your bryston?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post
    Btw, how's the supernait treating you? Can you compare to your bryston?
    Jax, the SN2 is combining with the 160's very very well to give me pleasing audio experience. The high current provides great grip of the drivers for a strong bottom end. Listening to The Dark Knight soundtrack is really neat and exciting. Clear defined bass. The staging is noteworthy, too, even with my LCD in the middle.

    I didn't have my 4B with the 160's (to compare both amps, in similar settings) but I will say the bass is similar (yes, you read that right) on the SN2 and the smooth overall balance of the 4B is also present in the SN2. The timing is where I have noted a difference between the two sounds. The coined PRaT is a real thing. Mids on the Naim are also nice and weighty. Overall, both house sounds are very enjoyable. I could have kept the 4B but better synergy with the 160's was key for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaxwired View Post
    Ooo, those do look fab in gloss black! Sweet!

    Here's my advice, go download (hi res only of course) a copy of the album "water" by the beautiful girls. Put that on and crank that naim dyn combo.
    Il have to check that out. The Batman soundtrack is pretty kick-ass, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by octadyndude View Post
    I did compare the Naim XS directly to the V70se when I had it. When I bought the C1 sig I bought my dealers pair from the first shipment in the USA. As they broke in (450 hrs) my dealer had a client from California that wanted to hear them with a Naim XS which he had. So Tyler loaned me the XS and P/S with a cd5. Had it in my home for 3 days. I was somewhat surprised how close it sounded to the V70se. With the slight edge going to the Octave having a hair more 'control' in the music. Both had the PRaT that I really liked when I first heard the Naim. I did also notice a slight midbass hump with the XS.

    I never directly compared the SuperNait although I was within a hair of buying one after hearing at my dealer when I was looking to replace my Bryston B100sst. But while I was thinking about it I got a wild hair up my butt to try tubes. My thought was instead of buying a new amp I could just swap some tubes. As it turned out my dealer Tyler at NextLevelav had a customer who changed his order from the V70se to the V80 just after it shipped. He brought it over to my home for a 3 day demo. Well it just crushed the Bryston in every way. So I snagged it and never looked back. I'm having a ball rolling tubes. With the right combo I can change the sound from very detailed and linear to warm and musical. Then I had the opportunity to upgrade the the V110. Figured why not because even though the V70se can use the KT120 it can't deliver any more power. The V110 has a switch on the back to change the plate voltage to 620V (110w) from 540V (70w) so I can use all of my EL34's - 6550's and KT88/90's.
    Thank you for the write-up, George! I have been eagerly wanting to hear first-hand accounts on the difference between these two brands' integrateds. I am glad to hear the tube rolling is giving you all you want with catering the sound to specific moods and/or music genres.
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    Sean - It's been a week and was wondering how the break is going? Do you leave the SN2 on 24/7? That is what Naim recommends. I leave my uniti2 2 Ndac and PS5 XS always on.

    Thank you for the write-up, George! I have been eagerly wanting to hear first-hand accounts on the difference between these two brands' integrateds. I am glad to hear the tube rolling is giving you all you want with catering the sound to specific moods and/or music genres.
    Again I almost bought the original SN but the Octave just beat it out. Add the black box and some extra tubes and your talking some serious coin. Of course if you add the ext P/S you'll be close to just the V70SE. I've been reading the Naim forums and the SN2 is getting great reviews over the original SN.

    How many hrs on the Dyns?
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    Hi George, thank you for the interest. I do leave the SN2 on 24/7. It has been turned off a few times (speaker movement, storms, etc) but it's been on now for almost two weeks straight. With that being said, not as much music being played as I would like but things have just been a little busy. I have been out of town all this week but hope to get more time in this weekend. I would say I have less than 50 hours of music on the Dyns. They are very pleasing, but I can't wait to hear after they evolve into their final sound.

    Also, within the next month I hope to add a decent DAC (with E's help) and run hi res material via JRiver on my laptop. Excited for that.
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    I have found the Naim to run pretty cool, too. Fairly similar to the Bryston 4B SST2 I had previously. Maybe a tad cooler than the 4B.
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    The Octave doesn't run cool at all LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by octadyndude View Post
    The Octave doesn't run cool at all LOL.
    Keeps you warm during that cold Chicago winter!
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    Hey Sean - You're right!! Great in the winter but it fights the AC in the summer . Good news is I'm getting a new furnace and AC installed this weekend. Should be a big help especially in the summer. Going from a 12 seer AC unit to a 21 seer. Furnace is going from 80% to 96% efficient. Saving should be enough to hoard some more tubes LMAO!!!
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    Just a friendly bump for an update on the break-in process. This has been a great thread!

    And Sean, congrats on a very nice setup, hope you've been finding time to enjoy it

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    +1
    Almost bought C4. Looked real hard at C4. Been a Dyna fan for many years. Have Focus 200 series in the family room.
    Quote Originally Posted by octadyndude View Post
    The C4's are my favorite in the Dyn lineup. Just wish I had a better/bigger room.

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    Re: Focus 160s

    I am still loving my Dyns. They do everything I need them to. The Naim compliments the tough load and the system plays plenty big. I am saving my shekels for a DAC as it's clearly the weakest link. But for now, music has me enticed.


    Quote Originally Posted by amatuerholic View Post
    Just a friendly bump for an update on the break-in process. This has been a great thread!

    And Sean, congrats on a very nice setup, hope you've been finding time to enjoy it
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    Re: Focus 160s

    Sean

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean View Post

    Sean,

    nice setup, those Focus put out great sound, are just a joy to have (a previous owner)


    P.S i do have a NAIM NDX Streamer/DAC available (in AS classifieds) would be pure joy with SN2!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    Nice Sean! Just get?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    Nice looking setup!

    I had 160s for a while. Great speakers.

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    Re: Focus 160s

    Sorry for the delay - the Dyns (and Naim) have been with me for about 9 months now, I believe. Only about 2 months in this configuration, though.

    I think the room would very much benefit from acoustic panels and bass traps.

    Quote Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post
    Nice Sean! Just get?
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    Thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by callas2218 View Post
    Nice looking setup!

    I had 160s for a while. Great speakers.
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    Re: Focus 160s

    Okay, who thinks the Job INTegrated can handle the 160's?


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