Is Rock & Roll Dead, Just no one called the time?

[Mr Peabody]

I guess the 70's & 80's were my main influential radio listening days. It seems today we have Pop and Hard Rock/Metal still doing well. "Alternative" which is leaning more Pop.

But where is the Rock, like the Bob SEger, Dire Straits, Loverboy, REO Speedwagon, BTO etc.? Those bands that made Rock radio which is now "Classic" and sometimes made the Pop charts of the day. The latest bands like that I recall are 3 Doors Down and Nickelback. Maybe Shinedown.

You look at the summer concerts it's either old Classic bands or Hard Rock/Metal.
I'm not saying there isn't new interesting music, but, I bet if you are buying/listening it's a fringe genre or Jazz

Rock & Roll still has a legacy. I looked up one day it seems for now Rock is gone.

Once these old bands like Journey, Def Leppard, Foreigner, Chicago all stop, whose there to fill the shoes, what will the concert line up be?

Bye Bye Miss American Pie.............

[BlueFox]

Good question. I guess Rock just got old, and few are interested in it. However, I know my tastes have changed. I’m 70, and have really developed a taste for Metal a few years ago. Now I usually buy 2 albums every week from HDTracks.

[aKnyght]

rock & roll may not be dead; however, the golden age of rock has certainly passed on...

great post -- pretty much my observation as well. while classic rock will always be THE music, i have not listened to it in quite a while. the exception here is on FM radio in the car on a road trip.

btw: not for nothing, the passing of classic r&r coincided with the demise of the 8-track -- format of choice for the music... chicken or egg here?

[rbbert]

Why not bemoan the loss of ‘60’s pop-rock, or ‘80’s alt/punk fusion? Or rock and roll, or rockabilly? It seems that you are merely noting that the music you came of age with is no longer relevant to today’s youth, something that happens every 10-15 years no matter what the musical genre (I don’t know if you are old enough to remember the complaints when Elvis, and later The Beatles, became popular; “real” music was going to be gone forever). OTOH, it’s easier than ever to discover good and interesting music in new styles, as Bud points out.

[rbbert]

BTW, you should rename this topic thread; your post describes “arena rock” not “rock & roll”.

[CPP]

Rock & Roll is not dead, its playing right now in my room. As long as us old Rockers play the music, its a live and well.

[Kuoppis]

Rock’n roll is an attitude, and as long as there are young people, rebellion is a sure bet. The music accompanying it will change in regular intervals.


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[kzhtoo]

Rock’n roll is an attitude, and as long as there are young people, rebellion is a sure bet. The music accompanying it will change in regular intervals.


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Good one!

[u-sound]

the question is how many thousend times can we listen the same songs without getting bored?
i do enjoy remixes

[BlueFox]

the question is how many thousend times can we listen the same songs without getting bored?
i do enjoy remixes

LOL. I sometimes wonder about people who listen to the same music, over and over, for years.

[u-sound]

yea lol, a true audiophile needs only 1 song.

sara k. for decades

[Mr Peabody]

Maybe you aren't familiar enough with Rock to get what I mean.

I wasn't alive then but love 50's R&R, the next decade had R&R, whether Elvis or Stones, the 70's had Rock that carried the vibe like Bob Seber, Van Morrison. This type of Rock may have become arena Rock but you can say that about any decade, there were always concerts. The 80's got a bit strange but there were still some Rock, less in the 90's and I can't think of much that carries the same torch in the 2k's.

Although I feel the main vein of R&R is dead, my music collection has always grown and still does. That's not the point. Like most of you I've found good music in other areas.

As stated above, each decade has has someone to fill the R&R shoes up until about 2k. Most of you missed the point, I didn't say music was dead, I said Rock & Roll is dead. I can't think of any bands who picked up the torch.

I can't remember which app for Tidal I was using but Rock is Rock/Indie now, it doesn't even have it's own genre heading.

Each decade of Rock does have bands that brings something original to add. Maybe it could be argued that Rock isn't dead, it's just not recognizeable, like Country today. If someone was in a coma in the 80's and woke up today they wouldn't recognize Country on the radio dial.

One big difference, Classic Rock is still played, where "classic" any other genre if played is rare.

More evidence of death, most popular Rock bands have cover bands that tour and make money playing the other bands music and in many instances try to look like the band. Sure people do what it takes to make money but if Rock wasn't dead, if Rock still had working bands who picked up the torch we wouldn't need cover bands or the old bands touring in their 70's or promoters paying big money for bands to come out of retirement. Sometimes a band name tours and you are lucky one original member is still in the band.

Why not bemoan the loss of ‘60’s pop-rock, or ‘80’s alt/punk fusion? Or rock and roll, or rockabilly? It seems that you are merely noting that the music you came of age with is no longer relevant to today’s youth, something that happens every 10-15 years no matter what the musical genre (I don’t know if you are old enough to remember the complaints when Elvis, and later The Beatles, became popular; “real” music was going to be gone forever). OTOH, it’s easier than ever to discover good and interesting music in new styles, as Bud points out.

[Phil A]

It's still alive, although probably not what it was vs. the rest of the music world in the past.

[rbbert]

... the 70's had Rock that carried the vibe like Bob Seber, Van Morrison. This type of Rock may have become arena Rock but you can say that about any decade, there were always concerts...

In your mind, sure, and I suspect we all have our own categorization systems for musical genres. As I said, though, what you describe is "arena rock", a specific sub-genre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_rock

[UltraFast69]

Maybe you aren't familiar enough with Rock to get what I mean.

I wasn't alive then but love 50's R&R, the next decade had R&R, whether Elvis or Stones, the 70's had Rock that carried the vibe like Bob Seber, Van Morrison. This type of Rock may have become arena Rock but you can say that about any decade, there were always concerts. The 80's got a bit strange but there were still some Rock, less in the 90's and I can't think of much that carries the same torch in the 2k's.

Although I feel the main vein of R&R is dead, my music collection has always grown and still does. That's not the point. Like most of you I've found good music in other areas.

As stated above, each decade has has someone to fill the R&R shoes up until about 2k. Most of you missed the point, I didn't say music was dead, I said Rock & Roll is dead. I can't think of any bands who picked up the torch.

I can't remember which app for Tidal I was using but Rock is Rock/Indie now, it doesn't even have it's own genre heading.

Each decade of Rock does have bands that brings something original to add. Maybe it could be argued that Rock isn't dead, it's just not recognizeable, like Country today. If someone was in a coma in the 80's and woke up today they wouldn't recognize Country on the radio dial.

One big difference, Classic Rock is still played, where "classic" any other genre if played is rare.

More evidence of death, most popular Rock bands have cover bands that tour and make money playing the other bands music and in many instances try to look like the band. Sure people do what it takes to make money but if Rock wasn't dead, if Rock still had working bands who picked up the torch we wouldn't need cover bands or the old bands touring in their 70's or promoters paying big money for bands to come out of retirement. Sometimes a band name tours and you are lucky one original member is still in the band.

And perhaps to your point are the legacy bands still wanting/having to tour - if that did not occur, we may be further along distancing ourselves from passing the torch.

I do agree music is played for its contribution of the time in our lives and I am one who has not tired myself of playing Hendrix, Stones, Beatles as our systems make it sound even better than it did before despite a lot of those bands not recording well.

Perhaps we are all getting older, and cannot over power the influence of classic rock to the newer music of today - my son and daughter in there late teens have zero interest at least at this point in their lives despite my efforts to reveal the music I grew up with.


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[Bobvin]

My new truck has a SeriusXM subscription, and I found the “BB King Bluesvill” channel, which I listen to frequently. There I have found a lot contemporary Blues artists that bring me closest to the rock & roll I grew up with. For a Blues guy that really rocks, listen to Joe Bonimassa.

[mep]

My new truck has a SeriusXM subscription, and I found the “BB King Bluesvill” channel, which I listen to frequently. There I have found a lot contemporary Blues artists that bring me closest to the rock & roll I grew up with. For a Blues guy that really rocks, listen to Joe Bonimassa.

I too have SiriusXM in my vehicle which I primarily use to listen to jazz because it's the only genre that sounds halfway like music over the crappy fidelity that is Satellite Radio. Funny that we have made so much progress in SQ over the years, but we went backwards in our vehicles once digital FM and Satellite Radio reared their ugly heads.

SiriusXM also has a Classic Vinyl channel which plays classic rock. They claim they are playing vinyl, but the vinyl has been digitized and compressed and it sounds just as crappy as the regular channels on SiriusXM.

[Bobvin]

Mep, I agree wrt sound quality on satellite radio. Serius seems to think bass should be boosted on just about everything, making the classic vinyl channel unlistenable in my truck. I prefer broadcast radio when possible but hate the constant commercials. Local jazz and classical stations sound pretty good, but most satellite channels — argh!

[rbbert]

Apparently there are several levels of Sirius XM WRT sound quality, depending on the type of receiver your car has. So it can sound really crappy (64k) or only somewhat crappy (192k).

Blues rock is indeed a genre with a variety of current artists. Besides Joe Bonamassa, there is Gary Clark, Jr, Sonny Landreth, Tedeschi-Trucks Band, Robert Randolph and the Family Band, Gov't Mule and of course some old hangers on such as Buddy Guy, Jeff Beck, etc.

[Mr Peabody]

What's the last few albums you've bought? It's Metal or Hard Rock I gravitate to, myself. I do like Prog and keep an eye out for something good. Chon is one of the more recent bands new to me.

I also like Tarja's new album. Former singer for Nightwish. Soen, Locust

Good question. I guess Rock just got old, and few are interested in it. However, I know my tastes have changed. I’m 70, and have really developed a taste for Metal a few years ago. Now I usually buy 2 albums every week from HDTracks.

[astrotoy]

I looked up Arena Rock and it didn't quite match what I thought it would be. Our niece's husband is a partner in the entertainment architecture firm in London called Stufish. They are most famous for designing and constructing some of the best known major concert venues. They started in the early '70's with the original partners designing the flying pigs for the Pink Floyd Animals concert and they have gone on to do major concerts around the world, most recently, with the Rolling Stones current tour. We got to see the retrospective exhibit of their work with Pink Floyd through the years when it started in London (at the Victoria and Albert Museum) a couple of years ago, called Pink Floyd: Their Mortal Remains.

Here is an interview with Stufish senior partner Ray Winkler talking about working with the Rolling Stones for over 20 years of tours.

https://www.dezeen.com/2018/09/10/%E...h-ray-winkler/

BTW, Stufish redesigned Abbey Road for Deutsche Gramophone and our nephew is arranging a tour for me on our next visit to London this summer. Should be very much fun.

I was already in college in the mid '60's and heavily into classical music, so I missed the great rock bands (other than the Beach Boys and Elvis when I was in high school and the Beatles who came to fame when I was already in college). I wasn't aware of the groups of the '70's until audiophilia hit me in the late '70's and '80's and I bought DSOTM (of course the Japanese Toshiba Pro pressing) and the Eagles Desperado and Dire Straits Love over Gold, both in their British pressings because Harry Pearson said so. This was a decade or more after they had become famous. The closest I got to a contemporary group was the Moody Blues 'Days of Futures Passed' which my brother told me to get because it had a full orchestra playing in it.

This all changed four years ago, when I bought a huge collection (200 reels) of safety master tapes and the owner was a great fan of jazz and rock, especially Miles Davis and Pink Floyd. I found out that there was more to Miles Davis than KOB and more to Pink Floyd than DSOTM (although having 1/2" safety master of both is very nice). It also allowed me to trade dubs for tapes from other collectors, and I found my trading partners were much more into rock than I was. So now I have big collections of Dire Straits, Pink Floyd, Steely Dan, Fleetwood Mac, the Eagles, Supertramp, the Doors, Rolling Stones, the Beatles, Genesis, and even Led Zeppelin (which I still don't understand or appreciate). Almost all the albums are from the analogue era, so they were recorded and mastered on tape, although a few made it to tape from digital sources, like Brothers in Arms. Not sure whether Renaissance (first learned from an Absolute Sound recommendation of their 'Novella' album is rock (glam, arena or other category). Also have a bunch of tapes of Joni Mitchell whom I did start collecting in vinyl in the late '60's.

This all from someone who is in his mid-70's!

Larry

[still-one]

I am not sure I even know how to define Rock n Roll. Very little of Elvis’s music would be considered rock. Same with the Beatles as it touches everything from Bubble gum to really weird. I love Seger’s discography but today much of his work would be Indie Rock.

I like the comment that rock is as much a state of mind as it is a music genre.

Now back to enjoying the sun a trade winds here in Hawaii

[astrotoy]

From my perspective, I began listening to popular music (music that was not classical or jazz) in the '50's. So Perry Como, Eddie Fisher, Andy Williams, Patti Page, the Kingston Trio, and orchestras like Mantovani (Decca's biggest recording star for many years) were the great stars on the radio and incipient TV. There was Bill Haley and the Comets, Richie Valens, the Big Bopper, the Diamonds. However, when Elvis hit the scene in the mid-late '50's, that was a very big deal. Compared with my favorite singer, Perry Como or my dad's favorite, Patti Page, Elvis was rock music. When I was a freshman in college in '63, the Beatles made a similar splash (both incidentally on the Ed Sullivan Show) and that was also rock music to me (the albums that got us introduced to the Beatles, culminating in the movie "A Hard Day's Night."

Larry

[Mr Peabody]

I also consider Elvis Rock, He fits the attitude test and some of those early songs rocked for the day, Jailhouse Rock, Blue Suede Shoes, even Suspicious Minds. He did sort of vere off into some Gospel and Country.

From my perspective, I began listening to popular music (music that was not classical or jazz) in the '50's. So Perry Como, Eddie Fisher, Andy Williams, Patti Page, the Kingston Trio, and orchestras like Mantovani (Decca's biggest recording star for many years) were the great stars on the radio and incipient TV. There was Bill Haley and the Comets, Richie Valens, the Big Bopper, the Diamonds. However, when Elvis hit the scene in the mid-late '50's, that was a very big deal. Compared with my favorite singer, Perry Como or my dad's favorite, Patti Page, Elvis was rock music. When I was a freshman in college in '63, the Beatles made a similar splash (both incidentally on the Ed Sullivan Show) and that was also rock music to me (the albums that got us introduced to the Beatles, culminating in the movie "A Hard Day's Night."

Larry

[Edward]

It may not be dead generally, but it is certainly dead at audio shows. Rare that its played. i have found many that secretly want to hear metallica or zep cranking on the uber systems. Its the quickest way to clear a room, however LOL.

Foo Fighters is a band that continues to crank out rock and roll. But maybe they are alt?

[astrotoy]

I was asked by a vendor to help in his room at the California Audio Show this summer in the San Francisco area. The room featured Reel to Reel tape and I made up a couple of mix tapes to play. I used some of my master tapes and other 15ips 2 track tapes. I played the Doors Light My Fire, Queen Bohemian Rhapsody, Fleetwood Mac Landslide, Beatles Michelle, Getz/Gilberto Girl from Ipanema, Joni Mitchell Blue, and some others. We also had tapes from the Tape Project. Some classical, but mostly jazz and rock. Many of the audience stayed for more than an hour at a time, listening to the tapes.

Larry

[Kuoppis]

It may not be dead generally, but it is certainly dead at audio shows. Rare that its played. i have found many that secretly want to hear metallica or zep cranking on the uber systems. Its the quickest way to clear a room, however LOL.

Foo Fighters is a band that continues to crank out rock and roll. But maybe they are alt?

How much Diana Krall can anyone bare...


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[Mr Peabody]

The Zu Audio guys seem to Rock out.

There are some decent recorded Rock/Metal albums. I was listening to A Perfect Circle, Heartless, and thinking it sounded good. I really need to start writing these albums down. I always think I will remember, then when someone asks about good sounding Rock I draw a blank, LOL

[KeithR]

Plenty of rock and roll out there since the 70s/80s.

Radiohead (gen x version of the Beatles)
Muse
Foals
Tame Impala
Foo Fighters
Mumford & Sons
Calexico

Probably 10 other bands that I can think of if given more than a few minutes

[Mr Peabody]

Based on that list, yeah, Rock is dead, except for Foofighter.

Plenty of rock and roll out there since the 70s/80s.

Radiohead (gen x version of the Beatles)
Muse
Foals
Tame Impala
Foo Fighters
Mumford & Sons
Calexico

Probably 10 other bands that I can think of if given more than a few minutes

[dlb2]

Go back a page and see the shout out for Greta Van Fleet. Rock and Roll is dead? Nobody told those guys.

[Kuoppis]

Different tastes prefer different artists.

While I like Greta,they are more trying to sound like Zep, than really having their own sound. But there are others who keep the genre alive, like e.g. Van Halen, AC DC, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Nirvana in the 80s/ 90s, and before-mentioned Foo Fighters, Chili Peppers, System Of A Down a bit more recently IMHO.


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[Mike B.]

Rock had segmented into Metal, Electric Blues and traditional for a lack of a better word. Here are a few to check out
Linkin Park, Foo Fighters, Samantha Fish, Three Doors Down, Popa Chubby, Gov't Mule, Kings of Leon

[Kuoppis]

Rock had segmented into Metal, Electric Blues and traditional for a lack of a better word. Here are a few to check out
Linkin Park, Foo Fighters, Samantha Fish, Three Doors Down, Popa Chubby, Gov't Mule, Kings of Leon

Thumbs up for Linkin Park, Foo, Three Doors Down, Kings of Leon. Add Chili Peppers, System of a Down, Volbeat.


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[Mike B.]

How about some eye candy. Sophie does a lot of guitar covers. She has the chops and looks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go6t83nMuNg

[Mike B.]

Clutch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1DJFNSideQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4ABpbxIPFI