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    Hi, if say, you was at a hifi store looking seriously to purchase, let's say speakers, you really liked them and was committed to the sale, and the dealer knew there was a new pair mk2, of this speaker coming out in 6 months, which will supersede the pair you are looking at buying, should he inform you of that ?, or should he carry one with the sale, knowing in 6 months time your purchase,would be worth 50% of what you paid, or explain what the deal is, and let you make up your own mind, maybe wait, or carry on and buy the pair you have your eye on, this could be in the thousands ££, but this thread is about integrity and not the cost,

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    I always do - if I know.


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    Re: Dealer Integrity

    That is an interesting question. I am not sue if there is a simple answer. For instance he may know that a "MK II" is coming within 6 months but he may not be at liberty to tell anyone.

    In your example the current model "may" be devalued by 50% off of the last MSRP but the newer model may have a somewhat high price too. The devaluation of your purchase would only come into play were you to decide to sell it and move up or on to something else. The SQ and value to you should not have changed.

    I guess most of us would hope our dealer would give us a heads up but this might not be possible in all situation.

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    hi, i understand what you are saying, but a dealer must know when the mk2 shipment is coming, they won't just pull up in a van full of new gear, also the brand would, i guess, want you to sell off most of the old stock, before the new arrives, but MIKE most dealers are not like you letting people see you and your dealership warts an all, having your own site, for customers , forum guys, and friends, well done,

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    Quote Originally Posted by greystoke4 View Post
    hi, i understand what you are saying, but a dealer must know when the mk2 shipment is coming, they won't just pull up in a van full of new gear, also the brand would, i guess, want you to sell off most of the old stock, before the new arrives,
    Don’t be so sure. We usually don’t know before the press does.


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    I had this happen with a dealer once. The MKII were announced before I even received my speakers. Dealer claimed that he doesn't know about new models until they are announced. I told him I didn't believe him - at the very least I'm sure existing stock was at a substantial discount - he knew one way or another. I refused to take delivery unless he adjusted price and would give me a fair deal to upgrade to MKII if desired (I didn't ultimately upgrade as I loved the speakers). He refused to work with me going forward which was fine by me.

    Biggest lesson for me was don't buy anything that's been on the market a while from Jan 1 to the Munich show.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Don’t be so sure. We usually don’t know before the press does.
    That's such a horrible business model from the manufacturer. Not only does it piss off clients (and make them not want to buy future products from them) but puts dealers in a tough spot. There's no excuse for it - I know new models of TVs, for example, months before they are available so I can make an informed choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bar81 View Post
    I had this happen with a dealer once. The MKII were announced before I even received my speakers. Dealer claimed that he doesn't know about new models until they are announced. I told him I didn't believe him - at the very least I'm sure existing stock was at a substantial discount - he knew one way or another. I refused to take delivery unless he adjusted price and would give me a fair deal to upgrade to MKII if desired (I didn't ultimately upgrade as I loved the speakers). He refused to work with me going forward which was fine by me.

    Biggest lesson for me was don't buy anything that's been on the market a while from Jan 1 to the Munich show.



    That's such a horrible business model from the manufacturer. Not only does it piss off clients (and make them not want to buy future products from them) but puts dealers in a tough spot. There's no excuse for it - I know new models of TVs, for example, months before they are available so I can make an informed choice.
    They don’t tell dealers because word will get out and sales will stop. They want to clear out the older models to make room for the newer ones. If your dealer said he didn’t know, I would believe it.

    The constant upgrades is how manufacturers can stay ahead of Audiogon or the used market in general, which has killed more products than you can imagine.

    It’s no different than the car manufacturers who tweak things every year. Designs are every 5 years, but new tweaks are annual.


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    Thanks for confirming that and the rationale. It's still tough if you're the customer who gets caught out. Not looking to sour any relationships going forward so will stick to my Munich rule - it avoids the problem almost entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bar81 View Post
    Thanks for confirming that and the rationale. It's still tough if you're the customer who gets caught out. Not looking to sour any relationships going forward so will stick to my Munich rule - it avoids the problem almost entirely.
    Psst...we are their customers too. I felt the same way when I bought a specific amp for the store and then it was immediately discontinued.


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    Re: Dealer Integrity

    dont buy a product new when its over two years on the market. (roughly)
    you start to get good deals 2nd hand and mk2 is surely coming in a year or two.

    great topic btw

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    Quote Originally Posted by u-sound View Post
    dont buy a product new when its over two years on the market. (roughly)
    you start to get good deals 2nd hand and mk2 is surely coming in a year or two.

    great topic btw
    That’s an interesting rule. But many brands take forever to come out with a replacement. Revel comes to mind. MBL too. I like the product lifecycle off Pass. Not too long, not too short. Dealer Integrity


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    While we all want new, then comes if you keep waiting other items are now old, and your back on the merry go round.

    I look at from the mindset, at some point you have to get laid.






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    Quote Originally Posted by UltraFast69 View Post

    at some point you have to get laid.
    lol, yes.
    what you buy is lost (my own saying)

    as for electro gear.....i always buy new at market entry. always unheard. only if i can get a topdeal. cash&carry without service.
    that is not the best way but its mine after 3 or 4 years i sell it with a big loss.

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    Anybody that buys new audio gear and is worried about how fast it loses value is in the wrong hobby. You aren’t investing money, you are spending your money on depreciating assets. It’s no different than buying a new car.
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    well you cant ignore the fact of loosing. i think its necessery to get clear with that prior to purchase

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    Quote Originally Posted by u-sound View Post
    well you cant ignore the fact of loosing. i think its necessery to get clear with that prior to purchase
    You also can’t ignore the fact that you are purchasing depreciating assets.
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    yes, we are saying the same thing with other worlds

    i take it always as if i would buy a hamburger and put the value straight to zero

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    From a manufacturer’s viewpoint in a different market...we never released info on new products to our sales people or the dealer channel before we had carefully managed inventory and had enough new stock on hand to make the transition seamless. On one hand our sales people and dealer network would always dog us about the fact we hadn’t introduced any new products in two years and then would complain when we did announce and dealers had old stock. There is no right answer here except to enjoy what you have purchased.

    More power to manufacturers who think about upgrading the field and have easy solutions for those wanting the latest and greatest.
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    I think the game is more fun when having been at it for a while. At the beginning, when starting to build your system, the changes are more frequent, and the money just flies out of the window.

    But when reaching a certain level, the changes become less frequent or at least focused on one part of the system at a time. With increasing experience there is also less need to try out everything new, as you already have experienced a bit.

    My feeling is dealers are just in the middle of it, trying to balance their stock as well as they can.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuoppis View Post
    I think the game is more fun when having been at it for a while. At the beginning, when starting to build your system, the changes are more frequent, and the money just flies out of the window.

    But when reaching a certain level, the changes become less frequent or at least focused on one part of the system at a time. With increasing experience there is also less need to try out everything new, as you already have experienced a bit.

    My feeling is dealers are just in the middle of it, trying to balance their stock as well as they can.


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    Quote Originally Posted by greystoke4 View Post
    Hi, if say, you was at a hifi store looking seriously to purchase, let's say speakers, you really liked them and was committed to the sale, and the dealer knew there was a new pair mk2, of this speaker coming out in 6 months, which will supersede the pair you are looking at buying, should he inform you of that ?, or should he carry one with the sale, knowing in 6 months time your purchase,would be worth 50% of what you paid, or explain what the deal is, and let you make up your own mind, maybe wait, or carry on and buy the pair you have your eye on, this could be in the thousands ££, but this thread is about integrity and not the cost,
    How is it that both you and the dealer know about a Mk II at the same time but it didn't come up in conversation? did you assume the dealer knew about a Mk II but was refraining from telling you (?) because he was more interested in off'g his soon to be obsolete stock? I'm trying to figure out if this is about mind reading or your wanting to paint your dealer as a disingenuous person.

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    hi, it's just a hypothetical question, about dealership integrity,

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    Even if it wasn't a hypothetical six months into the future is far to long for a dealer to have to sit on current inventory just to save a buyer a few dollars some time in the future. This subject was beat to death a few years ago over the Magico Mk II speaker updates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Even if it wasn't a hypothetical six months into the future is far to long for a dealer to have to sit on current inventory just to save a buyer a few dollars some time in the future. This subject was beat to death a few years ago over the Magico Mk II speaker updates.
    The Magico Mk II discussion was about the length of manufacturer release cycles between models, not dealer integrity.


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    I have 2 dealers I have worked with pretty exclusively over the past few years and both have given me insight on occasion when a new model is coming out, and also when prices are scheduled to go up or down in the coming weeks. I also realize there are times when they just don't know and like Mike said, they only know as much as the distributors are willing to tell them. But yes I would be surprised and bring it up with the dealer if I spent a lot of money on something and discovered within a month or so that the model had a price dip or was updated/discontinued, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greystoke4 View Post
    Hi, if say, you was at a hifi store looking seriously to purchase, let's say speakers, you really liked them and was committed to the sale, and the dealer knew there was a new pair mk2, of this speaker coming out in 6 months, which will supersede the pair you are looking at buying, should he inform you of that ?, or should he carry one with the sale, knowing in 6 months time your purchase,would be worth 50% of what you paid, or explain what the deal is, and let you make up your own mind, maybe wait, or carry on and buy the pair you have your eye on, this could be in the thousands ££, but this thread is about integrity and not the cost,
    well, good dealer integrity would be at play if the offer of taking your speakers back in on trade against the mkII version with full allowance of what you paid for them perhaps ?

    Regardless, you liked the speakers correct ? many a 'mkII' product is more about marketing than an audible improvement.
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    None of this has anything to do with Dealer integrity... if you want to buy something then buy it. If you don't then move on or simply keep waiting for who knows what.

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    Re: Dealer Integrity

    I always make the attempt to build a strong rapport with a dealer, which in turns builds trust and that in turn brings integrity. I've made some wonderful friends that way.
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    Re: Dealer Integrity

    if you know something, say something ...that would seem to be a good default general rule for all parties.
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