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    Quote Originally Posted by u-sound View Post
    dont buy a product new when its over two years on the market. (roughly)
    you start to get good deals 2nd hand and mk2 is surely coming in a year or two.

    great topic btw
    That’s an interesting rule. But many brands take forever to come out with a replacement. Revel comes to mind. MBL too. I like the product lifecycle off Pass. Not too long, not too short.


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    Re: Dealer Integrity

    While we all want new, then comes if you keep waiting other items are now old, and your back on the merry go round.

    I look at from the mindset, at some point you have to get laid.






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    Quote Originally Posted by UltraFast69 View Post

    at some point you have to get laid.
    lol, yes.
    what you buy is lost (my own saying)

    as for electro gear.....i always buy new at market entry. always unheard. only if i can get a topdeal. cash&carry without service.
    that is not the best way but its mine after 3 or 4 years i sell it with a big loss.
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    Re: Dealer Integrity

    Anybody that buys new audio gear and is worried about how fast it loses value is in the wrong hobby. You aren’t investing money, you are spending your money on depreciating assets. It’s no different than buying a new car.
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    Re: Dealer Integrity

    well you cant ignore the fact of loosing. i think its necessery to get clear with that prior to purchase
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    Quote Originally Posted by u-sound View Post
    well you cant ignore the fact of loosing. i think its necessery to get clear with that prior to purchase
    You also can’t ignore the fact that you are purchasing depreciating assets.
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    yes, we are saying the same thing with other worlds

    i take it always as if i would buy a hamburger and put the value straight to zero
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    Re: Dealer Integrity

    From a manufacturer’s viewpoint in a different market...we never released info on new products to our sales people or the dealer channel before we had carefully managed inventory and had enough new stock on hand to make the transition seamless. On one hand our sales people and dealer network would always dog us about the fact we hadn’t introduced any new products in two years and then would complain when we did announce and dealers had old stock. There is no right answer here except to enjoy what you have purchased.

    More power to manufacturers who think about upgrading the field and have easy solutions for those wanting the latest and greatest.
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    I think the game is more fun when having been at it for a while. At the beginning, when starting to build your system, the changes are more frequent, and the money just flies out of the window.

    But when reaching a certain level, the changes become less frequent or at least focused on one part of the system at a time. With increasing experience there is also less need to try out everything new, as you already have experienced a bit.

    My feeling is dealers are just in the middle of it, trying to balance their stock as well as they can.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuoppis View Post
    I think the game is more fun when having been at it for a while. At the beginning, when starting to build your system, the changes are more frequent, and the money just flies out of the window.

    But when reaching a certain level, the changes become less frequent or at least focused on one part of the system at a time. With increasing experience there is also less need to try out everything new, as you already have experienced a bit.

    My feeling is dealers are just in the middle of it, trying to balance their stock as well as they can.


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    The bottom line is you have to have gone through the pain to learn how to minimize it down the road. LOL

    I agree there’s no right or wrong answer. We do need to keep in mind that both dealers and manufacturers are doing business, not charity work. It is still your decision to NOT buy it. After all, the things we are buying in this hobby are not out of necessity.

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