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February 11, 2020, 07:09 AM #1
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Speaker cables
Currently I use AQ Rocket 88 speaker cables. However I am thinking of upgrading these. The logical step would be AQ Robin Hood zero or Willem Tell zero. I think the 88 sometimes is bit too laid back. But not 100% sure if it is the cable. I could use a bit more brightness.
But since most of my cables are by Ansuz, the P2 would also be an option.
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What would be the best step? Or should I jut keep my Rocket 88 and stop upgrading?Pre amp: Ocatve Phono Module Power amps: Octave MRE130 Turntable: SAC Girati Grande. Tonearm: Dynavector 507mkII Cartridge: Dynavector Ikeda 9TT Streamer: Aurender A10 Power Distributor: Anzus Mains D8 Speakers: Raidho X-3 Speaker Cables: AudioQuest Rocket 88 XLR Interlink: Ansuz A2, [B]XLR Interlink: [B]Phono interlink: Cammino Serie 1.0 - PH 1.0s Power cables: Anzus Mains Ceramic, two Pom, Aluminium, X series Audio Rack: Rack of Silence 4 and 2.
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February 11, 2020, 07:53 AM #2
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If you are sticking with AQ, I really like the Thunderbird. I’ve tried them with my former speakers Wilson Alexias as well as with my current MBL 101E MKII. They are a bit pricey compared to the RH Zero or WT Zero but well worth the investment.
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February 11, 2020, 10:58 AM #3
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February 11, 2020, 11:01 AM #4
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Re: Speaker cables
Pre amp: Ocatve Phono Module Power amps: Octave MRE130 Turntable: SAC Girati Grande. Tonearm: Dynavector 507mkII Cartridge: Dynavector Ikeda 9TT Streamer: Aurender A10 Power Distributor: Anzus Mains D8 Speakers: Raidho X-3 Speaker Cables: AudioQuest Rocket 88 XLR Interlink: Ansuz A2, [B]XLR Interlink: [B]Phono interlink: Cammino Serie 1.0 - PH 1.0s Power cables: Anzus Mains Ceramic, two Pom, Aluminium, X series Audio Rack: Rack of Silence 4 and 2.
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February 11, 2020, 11:02 AM #5
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Re: Speaker cables
Pre amp: Ocatve Phono Module Power amps: Octave MRE130 Turntable: SAC Girati Grande. Tonearm: Dynavector 507mkII Cartridge: Dynavector Ikeda 9TT Streamer: Aurender A10 Power Distributor: Anzus Mains D8 Speakers: Raidho X-3 Speaker Cables: AudioQuest Rocket 88 XLR Interlink: Ansuz A2, [B]XLR Interlink: [B]Phono interlink: Cammino Serie 1.0 - PH 1.0s Power cables: Anzus Mains Ceramic, two Pom, Aluminium, X series Audio Rack: Rack of Silence 4 and 2.
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February 11, 2020, 11:06 AM #6Borresen Acoustics Loudspeakers, Borresen Model 01 Compact monitor loudspeakers with Ansuz Darkz T2s Supreme resonance control, Audio Video Manufaktur GmbH (AVM) Inspiration amplifier & streamer, Innuos Zen MKII music server, Ansuz Acoustics cables & accessories. Please visit my system thread hosted on Audioshark for more details. Disclosure: The author is materially connected to Ansuz, Aavik & Borresen Acoustics via friendship with an owner.
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February 11, 2020, 11:54 AM #7
Re: Speaker cables
Agree with this. Room acoustics and listening position/speaker position are always the first place to look. If you do decide you want to upgrade speaker cable, I can endorse the AQ William Tell as I just added these to my system to great effect. Also demoed the Robin Hood and they are excellent as well. Big upgrade from Rocket 88 IMO.
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February 11, 2020, 12:20 PM #8
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February 12, 2020, 11:27 PM #9
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Re: Speaker cables
True, if no room treatment the improvement can be dramatic.
I use Clarus, Crimson and they are very good, the background is dark, highs are beautiful, overall nicely balanced I'd say. I did find the more I added to the system the better they worked together for better sound quality. The Crimson series is really something special and I don't really mention them as much as I should.
If wanting to add more upper energy, or, finding you need it, I'd recommend Wire World. They are a good cable but In my auditions I do find they liven up the highs, nothing out of boundaries, or offensive, they just seem to highlight or energize that range..Aurender ACS10 w/Audioquest Diamond USB, Esoteric N05xd
Mark Levinson #526, 534 & JBL 4367's
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HT: Marantz AV8003, Linn 5125, JBL SAM3ha, Revel s30,
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February 12, 2020, 11:33 PM #10
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February 13, 2020, 01:13 AM #11
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I don’t disagree with speakers taking precedent but those are some high percentages from the the standpoint on what you decide upon.
For example a $54000 set of speakers alone leaves $18000, and that will not allow one to compliment the speakers in this example.
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March 12, 2020, 05:35 AM #12
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Re: Speaker cables
Hi all, could some suggest what speaker cable is matched with 804D3 if I am using Accustic Arts amplifier. Many thanks
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March 12, 2020, 02:53 PM #13
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Re: Speaker cables
Aurender ACS10 w/Audioquest Diamond USB, Esoteric N05xd
Mark Levinson #526, 534 & JBL 4367's
Clearaudio Performance DC w/Maestro cart
Clarus Concerto & their Crimson cables
HT: Marantz AV8003, Linn 5125, JBL SAM3ha, Revel s30,
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March 12, 2020, 03:48 PM #14
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Re: Speaker cables
I have Analysis Plus Black Oval 9 speaker cables (demos) that my dealer included with my Magico speakers, as the only cables I had prior were an old pair of Transparent bi-wires. These A+ cables are, IMO, a terrific high value speaker cable.
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March 12, 2020, 04:02 PM #15
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Blue Jeans, Monoprice or Signal cable. Don't get duped buy ridiculous over priced 'wire'.All three of which I listed will provide you with quality cables at sensible price points.
How long of a speaker cable run will you have ? Cable gauge as it relates to cable length is a prime considerationCheers ! …. Dave
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March 13, 2020, 03:38 PM #16
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Recommend if most of your cabling is Ansuz, staying with the same design philosophy is a good idea. Michael Borresen has a degree in mechanical engineering, was the key designer for Raidho Acoustics, is a co-founder of Ansuz and Aavik, and a key investor in Borresen Acoustics.
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March 22, 2020, 11:01 PM #17
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Re: Speaker cables
Let me just say, I don't believe in absolutes in audio, only preferences. My system: Jeff Rowland 625 S2 amplifier, Jeff Rowland Corus preamp, Chord Dave DAC, Antipodes DS GT music server, Monitor Audio PL500 ii speakers, dual REL Carbon Limited subs, Torus RM20 power conditioner, Wireworld Platinum series 8 XLRs, and Clarity Cables Vortex power cords. My room is 20'x26' and treated with GIK products.
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March 23, 2020, 03:58 PM #21
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March 24, 2020, 09:55 AM #23
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The fact you have the WW Platinum 8 IC’s tells me you already appreciate a great cable. Ignore the non-believers. A great cable is equal to a component change and well worth it. Taken from another perspective, I have customers who believe cables are the most important component in a system (excluding the room/treatments of course). More important than an amp say. I’m not quite there myself, but do appreciate how important cables are to overall synergy and bringing the absolute best out of the rest of the system.
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March 24, 2020, 12:40 PM #24
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I don't get into name calling; therefore regardless of individual preferences I don't call anyone an audiofool. People spend their money on whatever they like and I don't determine value, what's good or bad for anyone but myself. I'm here to share my experiences, not to judge.
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March 24, 2020, 12:42 PM #25My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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Re: Speaker cables
A couple of days ago TAS published this review of A+'s top line Silver Apex speaker cable:
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/arti...speaker-cable/
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March 27, 2020, 01:40 PM #29
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The Analysis Plus is fabulous. MSB strongly recommends it. We use it with all our MSB gear.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkMy Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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March 27, 2020, 03:47 PM #30
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April 2, 2020, 08:56 AM #31
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I have a set of audioquest Robin Hood on there way. Was looking at the 88 series but that was a downgrade from my crystal cable piccolo. The William Tell were just to much to reach to. They were almost 3x the price for what I paid for these. Anyone have some listening sessions with these cables and thoughts. Thanks,
bryson 4b3, BP26, BDA3, lumin mini, Focal 1027BE FYI. Maybe I should have saved and waited for the William tell who knows?
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May 16, 2020, 03:45 AM #32
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Yes would be great if Someone compared the Robin Hood vs William Tell. Going for bi-wire combo - but wonder if the huge price difference is justified.
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Re: Speaker cables
Hey all!
Just got my new Thunderbirds (Zero). Only had a few minutes with them but they sounded great. Was hard to do an efficient AB test against the William Tell bi-wires, which blew me out of the water when i first heard them (before that i had the Robin Hood bi-wire and i recall hearing a big difference there). By the time i disconnected and moved everything today, I'm not sure my brain remembered how good the WT sounded to measure up against the TB. Both sound amazing, but i'll be keeping the TB for now (until next upgrade, oh no!)
Anyway, what i wanted to tell everyone is that i now have a 3 meter (10ft) pair of William Tell bi-wire for sale at very (very!) good price. I also got a great deal on them as they were previously a demo pair for a European dealer i buy lots of AQ stuff from (especially power cords).
Feel free to email me
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Shipping will be from Israel.
Peace.
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