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    Honda Pilot VS VW Atlas

    My wife’s 2010 SUV has over 200,000 miles on it and it’s starting to have some issues. I was researching these two SUV’s and wanted to see if anyone has some experience with either and which one you like best.


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    Re: Honda Pilot VS VW Atlas

    What is it that went 200K? That’s pretty good.
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    Re: Honda Pilot VS VW Atlas

    As far as reliability ratings the Honda Pilot is way ahead of the Atlas, with VW consistently being one of the lowest rated brands for quality. The Pilot is also a more comfortable car-like ride while the Atlas is more truck like in feel and handling. A couple of things I don't like about the Pilot are the armrests which are like those in a minivan with no console armrest, and there's no 360 view camera available. If a smaller two row SUV could be a possibility then the new Acura RDX is receiving rave reviews, it's like a significantly upgraded Honda CRV with a better platform, the 2.0 turbo engine from the top Accord, and their SH-AWD system which is excellent.

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    Re: Honda Pilot VS VW Atlas

    I had a 2014 and 2016 Pilot and had some issues with it (some may have been the dealer too - so I wouldn't put it all on the manufacturer). This site may help - https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2019/HONDA/PILOT/SUV/AWD

    I moved to Lexus. Dealer is closer and tons better on service. I've owned Honda products for a long time (2003 Acura MDX, 2007 and 2012 CRVs, and 2014 and 2016 Pilots) and IMO (and other ratings too e.g. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...es/2578463001/ or https://www.jdpower.com/cars/ratings/2019 or https://www.edmunds.com/suv/#midsize-3-row-suvs) they are still good but not as good as they were in the past.
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    Re: Honda Pilot VS VW Atlas

    Quote Originally Posted by Leatherneck View Post
    What is it that went 200K? That’s pretty good.
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    Re: Honda Pilot VS VW Atlas

    Quote Originally Posted by audio.bill View Post
    As far as reliability ratings the Honda Pilot is way ahead of the Atlas, with VW consistently being one of the lowest rated brands for quality. The Pilot is also a more comfortable car-like ride while the Atlas is more truck like in feel and handling. A couple of things I don't like about the Pilot are the armrests which are like those in a minivan with no console armrest, and there's no 360 view camera available. If a smaller two row SUV could be a possibility then the new Acura RDX is receiving rave reviews, it's like a significantly upgraded Honda CRV with a better platform, the 2.0 turbo engine from the top Accord, and their SH-AWD system which is excellent.
    Thanks Bill. We need three rows as my in-laws live with us many months of the year (its a good thing, they’re amazing people and we love them).

    We drove the new MDX a couple of years ago and it was sluggish.


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    Re: Honda Pilot VS VW Atlas

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil A View Post
    I had a 2014 and 2016 Pilot and had some issues with it (some may have been the dealer too - so I wouldn't put it all on the manufacturer). This site may help - https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2019/HONDA/PILOT/SUV/AWD

    I moved to Lexus. Dealer is closer and tons better on service. I've owned Honda products for a long time (2003 Acura MDX, 2007 and 2012 CRVs, and 2014 and 2016 Pilots) and IMO (and other ratings too e.g. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...es/2578463001/ or https://www.jdpower.com/cars/ratings/2019 or https://www.edmunds.com/suv/#midsize-3-row-suvs) they are still good but not as good as they were in the past.
    Thanks Phil. I like the Toyota SUV, but need to make sure we can get second row bucket seats with a pass through in the middle for the kids.


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    Re: Honda Pilot VS VW Atlas

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    Re: Honda Pilot VS VW Atlas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
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    If you would like another MDX. 2021 debuts a new model.

    So, 2020s might start getting incentives.

    The negative of the current Gen MDX is the 9 speed ZF trans but, it has had software updates to refine it.

    2020 MDX should drive better as a result.

    The smaller new RDX has the new Honda built 10 speed auto.

    I expect the 2021 MDX to have that same trans but, won't be out till spring/summer 2020.

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    Re: Honda Pilot VS VW Atlas

    The MDX is about the best choice. The VW and Honda drive like stiff trucks. We drove every SUV before getting the Santa Fe. Most do not have full power seats on passenger side if needed.
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    Re: Honda Pilot VS VW Atlas

    Mike the Toyota Highlander was redesigned for the 2020 model year.
    Check out this video and see if it is worth looking into: https://youtu.be/eBRPXPKnQAc

    How about the Hyundai Palisade or the Kia Telluride? They are both quite nice and great values not to mention the features and technology are much better than the VW or Honda Pilot.
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    Re: Honda Pilot VS VW Atlas

    I don't have a Pilot but I do have Honda's two row version of it, called the Passport. I've had it for about six months and haven't had a problem with it. I'd do it all over again in a heartbeat!

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    Re: Honda Pilot VS VW Atlas

    I would chose between the Acura MDX or Lexus RX350L (7 passenger ) for a family car.
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    Honda Pilot VS VW Atlas

    Mike. Have you consider the Hyundai Palisade?








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    Re: Honda Pilot VS VW Atlas

    VW durability is very weak. My AWD wagon started to fall apart after 100,000 miles. My Honda has 280,000 miles without a major repair. Buy the Honda.

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    Re: Honda Pilot VS VW Atlas

    have had experience with both manufacturers but not those models -- based upon that, the honda pilot is the clear winner by a large margin, imo

    also, the subaru ascent deserves to be in the mix. it has three rows with several seat configurations. subarus run forever in the harsh northeast climate.
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    Is the Toyota Highlander Hybrid worth consideration? My wife has poo-pooed anything Hyundai/Kia. She thinks they won’t be reliable long term.
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    Re: Honda Pilot VS VW Atlas

    Quote Originally Posted by aKnyght View Post
    have had experience with both manufacturers but not those models -- based upon that, the honda pilot is the clear winner by a large margin, imo

    also, the subaru ascent deserves to be in the mix. it has three rows with several seat configurations. subarus run forever in the harsh northeast climate.

    Also second the ascent recommendation. As you stated AWD is a gold standard and in the Northeast a great assest.

    If you have Subaru dealers in Florida and need AWD; The Ascent deserves consideration and test drive IMHO.

    Mike,

    Since you live in FL; are you shopping AWD or Front Wheel drive versions of these respective vehicles?

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    Re: Honda Pilot VS VW Atlas

    Quote Originally Posted by mdp632 View Post
    Also second the ascent recommendation. As you stated AWD is a gold standard and in the Northeast a great assest.

    If you have Subaru dealers in Florida and need AWD; The Ascent deserves consideration and test drive IMHO.
    Thanks. I’ll check it out. Always liked Subaru’s.
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    Re: Honda Pilot VS VW Atlas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Is the Toyota Highlander Hybrid worth consideration? My wife has poo-pooed anything Hyundai/Kia. She thinks they won’t be reliable long term.
    My brother has one (Highlander hybrid) for a long time (and I haven't followed it but they seem to be well like - https://www.autotrader.com/car-news/...-market-259511). My Lexus 2020 RX450h is basically the big brother to it. With the Lexus (not sure about Toyota), they now give you a 10 year/150,000 mile warranty on the battery. I have mine about 2.5 months and getting about 30mpg. I read about it before it came out. The only surprise so far was a good one. USB devices can now read FLAC and WAV files up to 192kHz (plays them back at 48kHz I believe and can have two devices plugged in and each can do 3,000 folders and 9,999 files).
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    Re: Honda Pilot VS VW Atlas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Is the Toyota Highlander Hybrid worth consideration? My wife has poo-pooed anything Hyundai/Kia. She thinks they won’t be reliable long term.
    Define long Term ....

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    Define long Term ....
    10 years, 200k miles.


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    Re: Honda Pilot VS VW Atlas

    Mike, I'm in the consideration mode for a crossover / SUV next year as well. Here's what I've come up with ............

    Toyota Highlander - while 'nice' all-around it has a poorly designed rear cargo area, floor slopes to the rear, totally stupid without a cargo net in place.

    VW Atlas - one of the best new vehicle warranties (6 years / 72,000 miles), you'll probably need it

    Honda Pilot / Acura MDX - superb all around vehicles and the 3.5 N/A is arguably one of the best V6's out there.

    Honda Passport / Acura RDX - same basic platform except that the Acura has the turbo 4, there were issues with that motor up until last year and they are supposedly resolved. Interestingly the Honda utilizes the 3.5 N/A V6

    Lexus - I can't get past that God awful ugly assed grill ..........

    Chevy Traverse - my current company vehicle (2014 LTZ) 115,000 miles, zero issues, comfortable as can be

    Porsche Cayenne - without question the way to buy Porsche is CPO

    Toyota Four Runner - truck like, runs forever, excellent resale(like the Tacoma)
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    Re: Honda Pilot VS VW Atlas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikado463 View Post
    Mike, I'm in the consideration mode for a crossover / SUV next year as well. Here's what I've come up with ............

    Toyota Highlander - while 'nice' all-around it has a poorly designed rear cargo area, floor slopes to the rear, totally stupid without a cargo net in place.

    VW Atlas - one of the best new vehicle warranties (6 years / 72,000 miles), you'll probably need it

    Honda Pilot / Acura MDX - superb all around vehicles and the 3.5 N/A is arguably one of the best V6's out there.

    Honda Passport / Acura RDX - same basic platform except that the Acura has the turbo 4, there were issues with that motor up until last year and they are supposedly resolved. Interestingly the Honda utilizes the 3.5 N/A V6

    Lexus - I can't get past that God awful ugly assed grill ..........

    Chevy Traverse - my current company vehicle (2014 LTZ) 115,000 miles, zero issues, comfortable as can be

    Porsche Cayenne - without question the way to buy Porsche is CPO

    Toyota Four Runner - truck like, runs forever, excellent resale(like the Tacoma)
    Our findings are similar. Thoughts on the Hyundai?


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    Our findings are similar. Thoughts on the Hyundai?
    they have come a long way since there 'throw away' early years for sure. I've had them recently in rentals and consider them along with their KIA stablemates to be excellent rides for the $$. Myself, I tend to go with N/A V6's for the long haul.
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    10 years, 200k miles.


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    Go Toyota and or Lexus then , forget the Honda ....
    why ??
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    Good vehicles , warranty claims can be a big pita, the Kia telluride is a good deal, So is the Hyundai equivalent Atlas best all of them, but the VW will kill you with little pita stuff so out of warranty not recommended , yet they will do the 10/200K no issue..

    IMO- Toyota/ Lexus if 5 yrs Hyundai /Atlas/Pilot ...

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    why ??
    Transmission /drivetrain issues if not the pilot is a great vehicle short term...

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    Transmission /drivetrain issues if not the pilot is a great vehicle short term...
    interesting, I have multiple friends with Ridgeline P/U's, zero issues. I'm assuming similar drivetrain to the Pilot
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    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    Good vehicles , warranty claims can be a big pita, the Kia telluride is a good deal, So is the Hyundai equivalent Atlas best all of them, but the VW will kill you with little pita stuff so out of warranty not recommended , yet they will do the 10/200K no issue..

    IMO- Toyota/ Lexus if 5 yrs Hyundai /Atlas/Pilot ...
    for the record, the VW Atlas is 6 years / 72,000 miles.
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    interesting, I have multiple friends with Ridgeline P/U's, zero issues. I'm assuming similar drivetrain to the Pilot
    As I noted in my earlier post, Honda still makes nice cars, however, they are not what they used to be several years back (and I've had Honda products from 2003-2016). They just started having more problems (don't know why). It is reflective in vehicle dependability ratings - https://www.jdpower.com/business/pre...ility-studyvds

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    Lets get serious here. Get the one without class D amps.

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    Phil, they had known issues with their turbo 4 when it first came out and while Honda says that's behind them now. Some beg to differ. I'd suspect that has something to do with it.

    Of interest on the JD Power recent survey and to Mike's inquiry on Hyundai, they appear to have gained quite a bit of ground in the reliability arena.
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    Keeping the car that long - I would def look at the Lexus. It is just more comfortable over the toyota/VW/Honda. And over 10 years the extra cost up front of it, isn't very much for each month of enjoyment.
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    Besides - she has to put up with you. She deserves a nice car!
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    Besides - she has to put up with you. She deserves a nice car!
    Ha! The same can be said about Beth!


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    Thats for sure!!!!!

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    10 years, 200k miles.


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    How about the Cadillac Xt5 /XT6 SUV’s .....they get excellent mpgs plus it will be in the same family as your Corvette! They ride nice and the majority are owned by the over 65 crowd.
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    How about the Cadillac Xt5 /XT6 SUV’s .....they get excellent mpgs plus it will be in the same family as your Corvette! They ride nice and the majority are owned by the over 65 crowd.
    Well, that means the drivers are probably sedate, and the vehicle should be in good shape when resold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil A View Post
    I had a 2014 and 2016 Pilot and had some issues with it (some may have been the dealer too - so I wouldn't put it all on the manufacturer). This site may help - https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2019/HONDA/PILOT/SUV/AWD

    I moved to Lexus. Dealer is closer and tons better on service. I've owned Honda products for a long time (2003 Acura MDX, 2007 and 2012 CRVs, and 2014 and 2016 Pilots) and IMO (and other ratings too e.g. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...es/2578463001/ or https://www.jdpower.com/cars/ratings/2019 or https://www.edmunds.com/suv/#midsize-3-row-suvs) they are still good but not as good as they were in the past.
    I'm on my second pilot. I recommend, reliability has been great, good GPS, ride and size is good for me, I do agree with the statement above; they are still good but not as good as they were in the past.
    As far as the VW I owned a Passat I learned the hard way the idea there is some reliability or customer service is bunk in my book, I don't recommend.
    Something you may want to try if you use the third row of seats a lot. Try third row out. Getting there and headroom.This might be an area the new design of the Pilot may suffer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul View Post
    Those days gone mike
    on the contrary, I’m sure 95% of new vehicles will go 10 years / 200k miles on the original engine and drivetrain, and very likely twice that. Don’t be put off by the fact that the other 5% is what you hear about.

    ask a dealer service department (or even a specialty independent repair shop) what their experience is. There is a reason that they keep adding items onto the “routine” maintenance; they’d be broke if all they did was fix problems.
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    I was talking to an independent who services European cars (I own a 16-year old BMW 3 Series) about personnel. He said that the local BMW dealer had let his two BMW Certified Master Mechanics go, but that this was not just a one-off. Said this practice has been prevalent in the industry across brands. This from a guy I know well (20 years) and trust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSOphile View Post
    I was talking to an independent who services European cars (I own a 16-year old BMW 3 Series) about personnel. He said that the local BMW dealer had let his two BMW Certified Master Mechanics go, but that this was not just a one-off. Said this practice has been prevalent in the industry across brands. This from a guy I know well (20 years) and trust.

    Is the context of your statement that cars are indeed more reliable than before? If so, I agree and right vehicle will certainly last 10 years and 200k easy. As long as its properly maintained etc.

    Sure, there are exceptions to the rule but, in general modern cars will last provided you take care of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdp632 View Post
    Is the context of your statement that cars are indeed more reliable than before? If so, I agree and right vehicle will certainly last 10 years and 200k easy. As long as its properly maintained etc.

    Sure, there are exceptions to the rule but, in general modern cars will last provided you take care of them.
    My primary concern about the reliability of the newer models is with the rush to 4-cylinder turbo charged engine technology in place of naturally aspirated 6s. Sure, they get better gas mileage, but the associated heat, stress, and transmission complexity are going to take a toll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSOphile View Post
    I was talking to an independent who services European cars (I own a 16-year old BMW 3 Series) about personnel. He said that the local BMW dealer had let his two BMW Certified Master Mechanics go, but that this was not just a one-off. Said this practice has been prevalent in the industry across brands. This from a guy I know well (20 years) and trust.
    I'm not surprised they're laying off mechanics. 77% of BMWs are leased for 2-3 years and few go back into circulation as CPOs. Most are auctioned off by finance cos. at places like Manheim in So California where they're sold to buyers outside the US, mostly Asian and Middle Eastern countries. A few of my clients are in this business and ship hundreds of used cars a month (mostly European, Lexus/Infinity) out of the Port of LA.

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    What is crazy (or so it seems to me) is that Chevy Tahoes and Jeep Cherokees aren't far off in price from this
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