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    Anyone hear the Auditorium 23 Hommage Cinema?

    This is a pretty unique speaker- any thoughts out there?

    http://www.auditorium-23.de/Hommage/Cinema.html
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    Re: Anyone hear the Auditorium 23 Hommage Cinema?




    Looks pretty cool!
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    Looks pretty cool!
    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as always. I would be afraid that people would mistake them for mailboxes and try to shove their mail down the horn throat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithR View Post
    This is a pretty unique speaker- any thoughts out there?

    http://www.auditorium-23.de/Hommage/Cinema.html
    So how many more speakers are you going to journey to hear before you make your decision?
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    Re: Anyone hear the Auditorium 23 Hommage Cinema?

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as always. I would be afraid that people would mistake them for mailboxes and try to shove their mail down the horn throat.
    LOL! Right, because Postal Service mailboxes are installed in private homes.
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    Re: Anyone hear the Auditorium 23 Hommage Cinema?

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    So how many more speakers are you going to journey to hear before you make your decision?
    Does it really matter? I think what I've learned on my journey is the grass isn't always greener despite the $$$$.

    YG Sonja 2.2s on mega $ electronics wow'd me for sure, but isn't going to happen financially and without tube amp options
    AG Duo XDs were probably my second favorite, but don't believe they work in my new room that is only 14' deep
    Stenheim Alumine 5s had a lot of potential and I have continued interest in the brand

    Honestly, I just don't think I'm the normal Wilson, Magico, Rockport kind of dude. I want something efficient with tone, nuance/texture, and dynamics. I heard the A23 Hommage Cinemas once and they seemed to do this in a very different manner.
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    Re: Anyone hear the Auditorium 23 Hommage Cinema?

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as always. I would be afraid that people would mistake them for mailboxes and try to shove their mail down the horn throat.
    People with that low of an IQ are simply not allowed in my listening room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowfax View Post
    People with that low of an IQ are simply not allowed in my listening room.
    Even people who aren't considered low IQ do dumb things. It's like seeing a "Wet Paint" sign on a surface that has just been painted and people can't resist touching the surface to see if the paint really is wet. Remember the old days when most malls had a stereo store inside and half the speakers had their dust caps pushed in because people couldn't resist poking them?
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    Re: Anyone hear the Auditorium 23 Hommage Cinema?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithR View Post
    Does it really matter? I think what I've learned on my journey is the grass isn't always greener despite the $$$$.

    YG Sonja 2.2s on mega $ electronics wow'd me for sure, but isn't going to happen financially and without tube amp options
    AG Duo XDs were probably my second favorite, but don't believe they work in my new room that is only 14' deep
    Stenheim Alumine 5s had a lot of potential and I have continued interest in the brand

    Honestly, I just don't think I'm the normal Wilson, Magico, Rockport kind of dude. I want something efficient with tone, nuance/texture, and dynamics. I heard the A23 Hommage Cinemas once and they seemed to do this in a very different manner.
    I agree with you. You are looking for sensitive speaker that jumps to life with little power so you should stay away from sealed and ported speakers that are a nominal 4 ohm impedance with dips to 2 ohms or lower and have hard to drive phase angles. Look for speakers that have a nominal impedance of 8 ohms and that have high sensitivity. As for the "Does it really Matter?" comment, it matters to the dealers that are taking the time setting up a system for you to hear. Time is money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJ Soundfield View Post
    Thanks for making my point AJ. That is hilarious!
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    Re: Anyone hear the Auditorium 23 Hommage Cinema?

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Thanks for making my point AJ. That is hilarious!
    It's first thing I thought of when I saw the mailbox comment ;-).
    You're right, someone can be smart, but simply unaware they are looking at what any of us take for granted, a speaker etc.
    Now of course, the Hommage would indeed be in a living room...not the place for a mailbox. But the Bose! LOL

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    Re: Anyone hear the Auditorium 23 Hommage Cinema?

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Look for speakers that have a nominal impedance of 8 ohms and that have high sensitivity.
    For a low power, no NFB amp, that is good advice. This one has that in spades https://www.stereophile.com/content/...ma-loudspeaker
    Stays entirely above 10 ohms with very high sensitivity. It will however, have an electron microscope effect on any noise/distortion in system....which no NFB certainly won't help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJ Soundfield View Post
    For a low power, no NFB amp, that is good advice. This one has that in spades https://www.stereophile.com/content/...ma-loudspeaker
    Stays entirely above 10 ohms with very high sensitivity. It will however, have an electron microscope effect on any noise/distortion in system....which no NFB certainly won't help.
    I was thinking about the amp that he already owns which is the Ref 75. 75 watts of push-pull power and it does have some NFB.
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    Re: Anyone hear the Auditorium 23 Hommage Cinema?

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    I was thinking about the amp that he already owns which is the Ref 75. 75 watts of push-pull power and it does have some NFB.
    Totally agree the ARC isn't an ideal match. But there are several in its price range that are, including Shindo which the speaker was designed with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithR View Post
    Totally agree the ARC isn't an ideal match
    It is a good match in the sense that it should have both low noise and distortion (if desired).
    But with that moderate NFB, you won't get the "free EQ" in the bass as the impedance rises at LF, so it may sound "thinner" than a __ no NFB amp.
    Pick your poison.

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    Re: Anyone hear the Auditorium 23 Hommage Cinema?

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    As for the "Does it really Matter?" comment, it matters to the dealers that are taking the time setting up a system for you to hear. Time is money.
    This I have to totally agree on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithR View Post
    Totally agree the ARC isn't an ideal match. But there are several in its price range that are, including Shindo which the speaker was designed with.
    Which speakers are you referring to? The link AJ posted or 23 Homage?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    This I have to totally agree on.
    guys, I don't waste dealers' time.

    some may buy a $50k speaker on a dime, but that's not me. in fact, i'd argue that most audiophiles jump at the best deal not the best product for them. like that whitecamaro dude on audiogon that has no clue what he's doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Which speakers are you referring to? The link AJ posted or 23 Homage?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithR View Post
    the A23 Hommage Cinema
    If you haven't read this yet, you might want to:

    https://www.stereophile.com/content/...ma-loudspeaker

    Not much highs above 9 kHz. Average impedance is really around 15 ohms which means you would need a tube amp with 16 ohm output taps.
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    Re: Anyone hear the Auditorium 23 Hommage Cinema?

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    If you haven't read this yet, you might want to:

    https://www.stereophile.com/content/...ma-loudspeaker

    Not much highs above 9 kHz. Average impedance is really around 15 ohms which means you would need a tube amp with 16 ohm output taps.
    Yes, I was surprised when I heard them the first time that it didn't bother me as I had read the review/measurements several times prior. I was told that there is so much more HF information due to the high efficiency design of the horn tweeter (102dbs with extremely thin paper diaphragms) that the extension isn't the critical factor. Under a full audition (I originally stopped by to see my dealer's new store), there will be more tracks to flesh this out.

    Conversely, I heard some Branko Audio speakers at the LA show (redone VOTTs with bass cabs) and it was pretty obvious the roll off. As with Shindo speakers based on Altec Valencias that lack some "air" ime.
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    By the way Keith, how loud were you listening to RR’s 4-5 war horse LPs that he brings to everyone’s house? I have the Ref 75 and I have never seen the meters close to 35 watts. And those meters are measuring average power and not peak power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJ Soundfield View Post
    Now I know where the term originated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    ... As for the "Does it really Matter?" comment, it matters to the dealers that are taking the time setting up a system for you to hear. Time is money.
    Although from some reports it sounds as if many dealers aren't doing as much as they could for Keith (e.g., speakers not broken in, less-than-ideal electronics, mediocre listening room set-up, etc).

    I think Keith is serious about potentially spending $50-$60 on new speakers. I'm a bit skeptical that he will find what he wants (i.e., a significant upgrade from his DeVores, for his musical and audio tastes) in that price range.
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    Re: Anyone hear the Auditorium 23 Hommage Cinema?

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    By the way Keith, how loud were you listening to RR’s 4-5 war horse LPs that he brings to everyone’s house? I have the Ref 75 and I have never seen the meters close to 35 watts. And those meters are measuring average power and not peak power.
    loud- like 100dbs+. His Bill Henderson cut hit 30 watts once or twice
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithR View Post
    loud- like 100dbs+. His Bill Henderson cut hit 30 watts once or twice
    OK. Your post #3 on RR's visit to your house said "My 92dB speakers were pulling 30+ watts like crazy on them-extremely unusual."
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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    OK. Your post #3 on RR's visit to your house said "My 92dB speakers were pulling 30+ watts like crazy on them-extremely unusual."
    then I would go with that as it was a few years back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithR View Post
    then I would go with that as it was a few years back.
    I would agree with your last two words in your above statement: "extremely unusual." I still own the NOLA KOs which I still want to sell. They are 91dB 1w/1m and present an 8 ohm nominal load. I drove them for years with my Ref 75 and I never saw the average power climb above 5 watts. My JBL 4345 speakers are 95dB 1w/1m and my average power is less than 2 watts. That's why when I read your statement that your Ref 75 was pulling 30+ watts like crazy on RR's old war horse LPs I was shocked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    I would agree with your last two words in your above statement: "extremely unusual." I still own the NOLA KOs which I still want to sell. They are 91dB 1w/1m and present an 8 ohm nominal load. I drove them for years with my Ref 75 and I never saw the average power climb above 5 watts. My JBL 4345 speakers are 95dB 1w/1m and my average power is less than 2 watts. That's why when I read your statement that your Ref 75 was pulling 30+ watts like crazy on RR's old war horse LPs I was shocked.
    Here's the record, check it out:

    "Send in the Clowns" by Bill Henderson, Live at the Times (Jazz Planet Records/Classic Records)

    At home, I get to 15 watts on really loud stuff on rare occasion. Our speakers sound similarly efficient - mine are 8ohms, 7.5 minimum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithR View Post
    Here's the record, check it out:

    "Send in the Clowns" by Bill Henderson, Live at the Times (Jazz Planet Records/Classic Records)

    At home, I get to 15 watts on really loud stuff on rare occasion. Our speakers sound similarly efficient - mine are 8ohms, 7.5 minimum.
    They are similar with regards to sensitivity, but I think that’s where the similarity ends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    said "My 92dB speakers were pulling 30+ watts..
    Measured/real sensitivity can be substantially lower, as Stereophile occasionally reveals. Occams razor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJ Soundfield View Post
    Measured/real sensitivity can be substantially lower, as Stereophile occasionally reveals. Occams razor.
    True. Keith’s speakers are slightly less sensitive than their rated sensitivity according to JA’s measurements.
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    I'd be doubly particular in listening/auditioning to the Speakers with Shindo front end--you may not concur with the warmish slightly Syrupy but very smooth sonics.

    Just my opinion as an aforementioned previous Shindo owner

    Could be a dose of too much languidness together?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    True. Keith’s speakers are slightly less sensitive than their rated sensitivity according to JA’s measurements.
    Aha, searched and found. Mystery solved ;-).

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    Re: Anyone hear the Auditorium 23 Hommage Cinema?

    Not much sound above 10k cycles as was written in a review.

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