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    Quote Originally Posted by LVB View Post
    But what if you have one already

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    Good point. Then you have no choice but get the mrack.

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    The Critical Mass Maxxum is $25,000 for four shelf. The Artesania Exoteryc four shelf is $7900.

    I have the bottom of the line Quadrasphire racks at home which are $876 for a four shelf rack. I need to upgrade! Seriously.
    I started with Quadraspire but have been happy upgrading to Fraim. While spending on M2's MIGHT happen at some point, the new rack indeed is way past my comfort level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bart001 View Post
    ... While spending on M2's MIGHT happen at some point, the new rack indeed is way past my comfort level.
    Well yeah, the better outcome would be owning M2 as first priority, and a rack upgrade for the electronics comes later.

    I'm contemplating ordering MRack4, but it's a lot of money, and one rack won't fit all my gear. I suspect the MRack comes pre-assembled from the factory and you'd have to specify the shelf heights at time of order? I'm guessing it would ship in a wooden crate about the same size as an SSub crate.

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    I'll bet the crate is much bigger than that.

    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    Well yeah, the better outcome would be owning M2 as first priority, and a rack upgrade for the electronics comes later.

    I'm contemplating ordering MRack4, but it's a lot of money, and one rack won't fit all my gear. I suspect the MRack comes pre-assembled from the factory and you'd have to specify the shelf heights at time of order? I'm guessing it would ship in a wooden crate about the same size as an SSub crate.
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    guess this rack will deliver some darker background, more quiet, more from bottom to top!

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    50 grand for a rack?!? That’s ludicrous


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    50 grand for a rack?!? That’s ludicrous


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    Magico is the Porsche of high end audio ...what do you expect?
    Have you seen the price of HRS's top rack?... no suprises.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phishphan View Post
    50 grand for a rack?!? That’s ludicrous
    I need two. One for the stereo, and one for the HT/spare stereo. Maybe next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phishphan View Post
    50 grand for a rack?!? That’s ludicrous
    ist allright to charch 50k for a rack, or even a million or a billion…..its just a lie to say it will improve your sound

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    Quote Originally Posted by u-sound View Post
    ist allright to charch 50k for a rack, or even a million or a billion…..its just a lie to say it will improve your sound
    So vibration and energy dissipation is imaginary?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    So vibration and energy dissipation is imaginary?


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    Not worth 50k


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phishphan View Post
    Not worth 50k


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    So.. your cheap... why dig on those who would find it reasonable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phishphan View Post
    Not worth 50k


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    I’m not discussing the price, but rather his comment that it would not improve your sound. Has he compared the Magico stand to others? Has he compared any top drawer rack like Critical Mass, HRS or Artesania to a home built wood rack? Mitigating vibrations through energy dissipation or isolation is critical for achieving great sound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    So vibration and energy dissipation is imaginary?

    vibration is there more or less...best to adress this inside the unit, then the feet. the rack is 5th degree or something, Comes too late and is unpredictable.
    take your preamp, or your amp or Mediaplayer and shake it during listening,....there is no change to the music. close your eyes if you want and your wife does it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I’m not discussing the price, but rather his comment that you “wouldn’t hear it”. Has he compared the Magico stand to others? Has he compared any top drawer rack like Critical Mass, HRS or Artesania to a home built wood rack? Mitigating vibrations through energy dissipation or isolation is critical for achieving great sound.
    sorry, was typing while you were answering.
    yeah bought a lot of things that didnt improve. not hsr, but in different racks in the 10k leage

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    Quote Originally Posted by u-sound View Post
    vibration is there more or less...best to adress this inside the unit, then the feet. the rack is 5th degree or something, Comes too late and is unpredictable.
    take your preamp, or your amp or Mediaplayer and shake it during listening,....there is no change to the music. close your eyes if you want and your wife does it
    The vibrations can very much negatively affect the sound of digital, tube gear, analog playback and more. Isolating it on the rack is the best approach since it’s a complete isolation and dissipation approach.


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    hormon hurrican when its between the m2)

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    well, was just thinking,and yes, my experience is more limited and somehow old as well.
    i had the best of copulare and the best of finitie Elements. they were highly prised at that time and didnt do anything in my system. while i was happy with the sound in any case. so basicly i am a nobeliver based on this. some dealers i know share that opinion too, at least they did when i traded the racks in.
    if someone likes the look and has endless cash, well why not a magico rack or two. if someone is cash-performance orientated, then it would be the last thing i would sugest.
    the rack makes it, lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by u-sound View Post
    well, was just thinking,and yes, my experience is more limited and somehow old as well.
    i had the best of copulare and the best of finitie Elements. they were highly prised at that time and didnt do anything in my system. while i was happy with the sound in any case. so basicly i am a nobeliver based on this. some dealers i know share that opinion too, at least they did when i traded the racks in.
    if someone likes the look and has endless cash, well why not a magico rack or two. if someone is cash-performance orientated, then it would be the last thing i would sugest.
    the rack makes it, lol
    A rack is a component in your system, just like everything else. Neglect one, you affect them all.


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    The "too expensive" line is arbitrary, and varies greatly between individuals and their differing wealth and priorities. At one time not long ago I thought the mega racks were completely silly, but now look a me with a CMS Maxxum rack (though a relatively modest example at only 3 shelves). Its aesthetic and engineering are amazing. And it truly isolates a turntable that would otherwise be subject to very significant feedback issues in this setting. I look at the "Audiophiles North America" Facebook group, and it's sad how a critical mass of people there, outright dismissing things like high-end isolation solutions (often bordering on violently), stamps out a lot of great contributors and discussions. This forums is one of the few places where we can have these enthusiast discussions in a civil manner, while still respecting opposing opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by u-sound View Post
    vibration is there more or less...best to adress this inside the unit, then the feet. the rack is 5th degree or something, Comes too late and is unpredictable.
    take your preamp, or your amp or Mediaplayer and shake it during listening,....there is no change to the music. close your eyes if you want and your wife does it
    I would add "close your eyes" to the shaking test. I doubt that most folks can tell a difference.

    I think that in the end it comes down to preferences. If I have Magico speakers I might want to have Magico racks regardless of cost. That's perfectly fine. Of course that does not mean that it will improve the sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuoppis View Post
    A rack is a component in your system, just like everything else. Neglect one, you affect them all.


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    Yes, perhaps, but even if all have an effect, not all components affect the sound equally. Some components (speakers and room!) have a much larger contribution than others. A rack, IMHO contributes very little when dealing with digital sources but more with analog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicoff View Post
    I would add "close your eyes" to the shaking test. I doubt that most folks can tell a difference.

    I think that in the end it comes down to preferences. If I have Magico speakers I might want to have Magico racks regardless of cost. That's perfectly fine. Of course that does not mean that it will improve the sound.
    Maybe, but I will stay with my 400 pound Mapleshade rack. It seems to do a good job of absorbing vibrations, and only cost a few thousand. I forgot the exact amount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by u-sound View Post
    vibration is there more or less...best to adress this inside the unit, then the feet. the rack is 5th degree or something, Comes too late and is unpredictable.
    take your preamp, or your amp or Mediaplayer and shake it during listening,....there is no change to the music. close your eyes if you want and your wife does it
    so your viewpoint is that if gear is properly designed and assembled then any vibration should be already dealt with?

    i wonder if you really understand how this all works? maybe take a look at how science and industry approach resonance control. here is a tutorial related to resonance control in laboratory situations.

    https://www.herzan.com/resources/tutorials.html

    scroll down and read if you want to understand cause and effect. if you desire to actually see what an electron microscope is revealing, you must eliminate resonance that blurs and smears the image. that resonance comes from the air and ground, it's all around us. that electron microscope is well built, with effective passive shelf interface, but that is not sufficient to allow the image seen to be clear. what is used is an active shelf which attenuates ground noise and clears up the viewed subject so the work can be done with proper precision.

    music reproduction works the same.

    in an audio system you take the air and ground 'noise', and add the musical energy. if you do not attenuate the resonance from the music the system will sing along with the music, which will be heard as added information coming through as a loss of musical focus, loss of delicacy, and loss of precision. the bass will be be smeared and lack leading edge naturalness and pop. the floor and rack are significant parts of the feedback of this resonance from the floor and air.

    and the more you expect from your system dynamically, the greater the whole performance will be diminished by musical feedback resonance. many systems get edgy and hard on musical peaks, and you point at an amp or the speakers or room acoustics.....but resonance feedback is a major ingredient in that equation. and the musical ease that comes from having this under control imparts the magic and nuance we all crave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    Maybe, but I will stay with my 400 pound Mapleshade rack. It seems to do a good job of absorbing vibrations, and only cost a few thousand. I forgot the exact amount.
    Fully understand and I would think it should be great for analog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicoff View Post
    Fully understand and I would think it should be great for analog.
    Possibly, but I only use digital now. I quit analog in the early 80s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nicoff View Post
    Fully understand and I would think it should be great for analog.
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    Possibly, but I only use digital now. I quit analog in the early 80s.
    resonance attenuation is effective for both digital and analog. it brings more of a good thing with analog, but maybe makes digital more natural sounding therefore making an equally significant difference. with digital it not only helps dacs; resonance attenuation also helps servers, and obviously disc spinners.

    there are issues of synergy involved of course; sometimes tonal preference is for a more warm type sound and resonance control can take things in a more linear direction. so as always; YMMV as to the final result. system balance for individual preference is part of the deal. personally i'm a truth guy wanting all the information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lavigne View Post
    resonance attenuation is effective for both digital and analog. it brings more of a good thing with analog, but maybe makes digital more natural sounding therefore making an equally significant difference. with digital it not only helps dacs; resonance attenuation also helps servers, and obviously disc spinners.

    there are issues of synergy involved of course; sometimes tonal preference is for a more warm type sound and resonance control can take things in a more linear direction. so as always; YMMV as to the final result. system balance for individual preference is part of the deal. personally i'm a truth guy wanting all the information.
    Good post. Thank you.

    I also like the style of not capitalizing the first word of a sentence. With good punctuation, it is easy to read, and certainly easier to type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    Good post. Thank you.

    I also like the style of not capitalizing the first word of a sentence. With good punctuation, it is easy to read, and certainly easier to type.


    it's a character flaw, the not using caps thing. i'd like to claim the high ground of 'style' but it's really ignorance. i started typing late in life and still am a two finger hunt and peck kind of guy. my work emails get auto corrected, but on forums it's no caps.

    at least it's not the 'ALL CAPS' shouting thing.

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    If you can hear it, good for you!

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    great if you can afford one or two and it doesnt even really matter

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    Quote Originally Posted by u-sound View Post
    great if you can afford one or two and it doesnt even really matter
    on the chance that you are responding to me.......by posting that link, i did not mean to infer you should acquire an active shelf, more that racks matter and passive solutions are also effective. dealing with floor born resonance matters to system performance.

    a passive decoupling rack such as the Magico matters as far as system performance. and if you can afford the Magico rack, you can instead choose an active shelf or two. certainly much more modestly priced effective passive choices exist. see Artesenia racks for instance. if i were in the market for the best, most cost effective passive rack, it would be my choice. not cheap, but reasonable.

    as far as it doesnt even really matter, not sure what this open ended comment means. what do you refer to as 'it'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gene View Post
    So.. your cheap... why dig on those who would find it reasonable?
    Cheap? 50k is far from “cheap”. That’s the median income for a family of 4 in many large US cities.

    From a cost benefit standpoint, it seems a large price for a rack.


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    I’m ok with talking about prices and what is deemed or perceived as high, but if it’s on its own thread.

    While everyone has right to an opinion, it should be in like manner otherwise it’s evasive and loses people.

    Relative to isolation by Magico, HRS, Critical or whoever, it is extremely important IMO, where my new turntable is going to play the cabinet surface resting on concrete takes on the low end vibration and it made me nervous, but I plotted down a new HRS platform and now there is no vibration - I can’t wait for new gear later this month!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lavigne View Post
    on the chance that you are responding to me.......by posting that link, i did not mean to infer you should acquire an active shelf, more that racks matter and passive solutions are also effective. dealing with floor born resonance matters to system performance.

    a passive decoupling rack such as the Magico matters as far as system performance. and if you can afford the Magico rack, you can instead choose an active shelf or two. certainly much more modestly priced effective passive choices exist. see Artesenia racks for instance. if i were in the market for the best, most cost effective passive rack, it would be my choice. not cheap, but reasonable.

    as far as it doesnt even really matter, not sure what this open ended comment means. what do you refer to as 'it'?
    Totally right Mike
    I also think the rack is so important in relation to the room .
    I have an old wooden floor , and my artesian rack helped so much , it showed the true value of my equipment .

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    LOL. great thread. first world problems
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    Not only digital and analog, the most obvious example is speakers. When I added SPODs to my Magico S3, it removes any doubt for me in terms of vibration control or energy dissipation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post
    Not only digital and analog, the most obvious example is speakers. When I added SPODs to my Magico S3, it removes any doubt for me in terms of vibration control or energy dissipation.
    Good point Khin. I would love to try the QPOD’s at home. They make sense to me...the copper dissipates the heat that’s created from the vibrations/energy.
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    I spent that kind of $ on a Critical Mass Maxxum rack.

    Totally worth it - transforms the sound of my system. At least it's a one time expense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I’m not discussing the price, but rather his comment that it would not improve your sound. Has he compared the Magico stand to others? Has he compared any top drawer rack like Critical Mass, HRS or Artesania to a home built wood rack? Mitigating vibrations through energy dissipation or isolation is critical for achieving great sound.
    Mike, you are probably correct that he hasn't compared various racks, but that is a pretty tough challenge. I don't know of any direct comparisons of the Critical Mass and HRS rack systems. How would one go about doing such a comparison? I can see some dealer ordering two competing brands and comparing them, but it would be quite a difficult thing to do. I may be wrong, but I think many people buy racks on faith. Or they heard one at a friend's or a dealers, and then bought it hoping it would improve the sound of their own systems. I think it's tough.

    However, I do believe in energy management: either dissipation, isolation, or some combination. I have three Vibraplanes under my turntable and each of two amps. I also have Townshend Seismic Sinks under my preamp amp and phono stage and power supplies. I option is pneumatic isolation platforms on a good solid rack stand. There are other alternatives that are also effective.
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    I use stillpoints and iso acoustic pucks. I’m all for isolating components. I just think 50k large price to do so.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    ..the copper dissipates the heat that’s created from the vibrations/energy.
    and some like theyr system well tempered

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lavigne View Post
    on the chance that you are responding to me.......by posting that link, i did not mean to infer you should acquire an active shelf, more that racks matter and passive solutions are also effective. dealing with floor born resonance matters to system performance.

    a passive decoupling rack such as the Magico matters as far as system performance. and if you can afford the Magico rack, you can instead choose an active shelf or two. certainly much more modestly priced effective passive choices exist. see Artesenia racks for instance. if i were in the market for the best, most cost effective passive rack, it would be my choice. not cheap, but reasonable.

    as far as it doesnt even really matter, not sure what this open ended comment means. what do you refer to as 'it'?
    the "it" would stand for something like improved soundquality.
    i mean something like buying this as a furniture and it might sound better and if not who cares.

    no, i wasnt responding directly to you.....neither to anybody else and neither am i against a rack or wouldnt say there is not a topic.
    its just that i hear the same thing about isolation, dissipation etc for the last 30 years and physicians delivered already so many perfect solutions for that.
    every matirial in any configuration have been shown.......prices have raised, they did, they really did.....glad the designer didnt stick some swarovskis to it

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    Quote Originally Posted by u-sound View Post
    the "it" would stand for something like improved soundquality.
    i mean something like buying this as a furniture and it might sound better and if not who cares.

    no, i wasnt responding directly to you.....neither to anybody else and neither am i against a rack or wouldnt say there is not a topic.
    its just that i hear the same thing about isolation, dissipation etc for the last 30 years and physicians delivered already so many perfect solutions for that.
    every matirial in any configuration have been shown.......prices have raised, they did, they really did.....glad the designer didnt stick some swarovskis to it


    sweeping generalizations are best avoided; not sure i agree that buyers of this Magico rack would likely view it as eye candy/furniture 'only' and not care about the performance. i expect almost all would value both. maybe more on the eye candy side than other buyers who might choose a different value system hierarchy to apply their assets to.

    i think that Magico knows their customers, and that this rack will fit a certain segment of them.

    there are always a few people who buy (even very high end gear) based on what a product looks like, nothing wrong with that......assuming they can feed their kids and pay the rent. who am i to judge? however; that is a different hobby than the one i am in. maybe it's someone's interior designer.

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    Magico is located in a region where $50k is just a pocket change for many people. Well, maybe except me. I do wonder how big of Magico’s annual sale is made up of Bay Area customers.

    Disclaimer: I have no proof or even a strong believe that Magico sells quite a big percentage to the locals.

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    Magico is maybe 30 miles from me. While this area does have a good percentage of people with good incomes, I am the only one I know who even has a stereo, let alone Magico speakers. Granted, this isn’t scientific, but at least it’s relevant.
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    A proper rack makes a huge difference in an audiophile system. It makes sense if you think about it - vibrations and other forms of interference negatively affect the components in a system and minimizing their effect is beneficial to the entire system. So it makes a bigger difference than upgrading any single component - it improves ALL of your components.

    I'd also argue that the better a system's components are the bigger the improvement with a good rack.

    Like any other component in a system, purchasing a rack depends on your budget and the overall cost of your gear - a $50,000 rack would not make sense for a $20,000 system.. But it does make sense for a $500,000 system. That's why Critical Mass and HRS for example make several levels of racks - so you can match the relative cost and performance to your own system.
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    What would Magico recommend. one of their 50k racks or upgrading from S1 to S5 mk2?
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    Oh man, what is an S5 MK3?
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