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February 5, 2020, 09:17 AM #101
Re: Dynaudio Contour 60
Have you ever purchased a new pair of Dynaudio speakers? I have, more than once. It's not imagination, it is reality that they change in SQ in the early stages. But, when they get where they need to be, they are super speakers, any price point you want to pick.
I have to agree with Mr Peabody, if I thought they still sounded like they did when I first set them up, I would have sold them to someone who believes otherwise, like yourself.
This is not to say that "Every" speaker needs the same time, but with Dyns, it is pretty universally known and accepted.-----------------
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February 5, 2020, 10:26 AM #102
Re: Dynaudio Contour 60
I've purchased the following Dynaudios brand new: Excite X16, Contour S1.4, Focus 340, Confidence C1, Special 25, Excite 34.
I agree that many Dynaudio owners believe in long break in. But I can't say it's universally accepted. I do not believe that Dynaudio themselves accept it. If they did, I would imagine they would publicize it a bit more as the negative experience that unsuspecting buyers might encounter would be a PR problem for them. If Dynaudio believed that their speakers had poor sound quality out of the box and that the poor quality would remain for hundreds of hours, they would get out in front of that and make sure new buyers were well informed and prepared for this. Otherwise, sales would suffer.
As I have said, I am not disputing that break in occurs. I am just disputing the severity and length of the process. However, I will say, I could be wrong. I might even be wrong about my other conclusions. Might be time to buy more cats.System 1: Matrix Element M -> Sugden A21se -> Klipsch Cornwall 3.
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February 5, 2020, 10:42 AM #103
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February 5, 2020, 11:15 AM #104
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Re: Dynaudio Contour 60
I have owned quite a few speakers in my time, all purchased brand new. I have absolutely noticed sonic improvements with time and use but I have never experienced something negative in between. This includes C1's, Contour 60's and now Confidence 30's. Perhaps Im not listening hard enough??? lol
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February 5, 2020, 04:54 PM #105
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I agree, new speakers have sounded decent out of the box but definitely better after break in. If something sounded "negative or broken then there must been an issue.
I actually bought my current 4367's from a guy who don't believe in break in. He bought them and listened to them, boxed them up. I snapped them up and they are marvelous after a few hundred hours. The first speaker I broke in where the woofer sound wasn't linear during break in. Meaning the sound did get somewhat more sort of bloated before settling in and becoming what I consider very accurate. The Dyn's bass was just very restrained and seemed to linearly free up.
I Dynaudio really put into print a 30 hour break in, that, would have me puzzled. I'd like to see the Dyn that only took 30 hours out of the box.
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February 5, 2020, 05:47 PM #106
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Indeed, on paper Dynaudio advises a undifined but "supposed to be" small amount of break-in hours. Dynaudio support says or let's you intend about 30 hours. The dealer, before closing the deal says nothing, after closing the deal states 500 hours. If then you go back to the dynadio support asking why the dealers break in is 12 times bigger as the official dinaudios one, evades your question! If you make the question many many times even the dynadio support agrees that the break in time is 500 hours. I have in my mailbox a dynaudio support mail which states 500 hours break in! It was hard but i got it.
Try it out. Call a dealer in US or Europe and simulate your interest in a 10 k purchase. Avoid avery question regarding break in. You will notice that the dealer will not talk about this topic spontaneously. Then call him back and tell him you read in many forums about the break in issue and that you are worried that your purchase will not sound as it should out of the box. Do not talk about the 500 hours, just let him speak. Hi will not say any clear amount of hours but, as the dynaudio official position, hi will let you believe that after one week it will sound as it should. Ask for the banking coordinates in order to close the deal. Then call him back the day after and ask him about the 500 hours break in your are reading in many forums... Enjoy.
I did the test several times when i had the problem with my contours.
I don't care about the break in true/false thing. I care that there are two completely different positions regarding this topic between pre and after-sales.
That is simply commercially dishonest, incorrect, false advertising.
Every audio enthusiast should fight for honest and clear product advertising.
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February 5, 2020, 07:09 PM #107
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Here’s a link to a dynaudio page stating 30 hours of break in: https://www.dynaudio.com/dynaudio-ac...-your-speakers
David Rossmann, My guess is that no one at Dynaudio HQ believes that break-in takes hundreds of hours. I doubt very many dealers believe this either. However if a customer can change from an unhappy customer to a happy one by waiting 500 hours, dealers are happy to quietly let that play out. Imagine if Walmart could tell everyone making a return, “just go home and wait 500 hours and then it should be much better”. They would jump right on that bandwagon.System 1: Matrix Element M -> Sugden A21se -> Klipsch Cornwall 3.
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February 5, 2020, 07:30 PM #108
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In the contour 60 online manual it states some weeks. And i could show you my dealers mail stating 500 hours and i could show you a Dynaudio mail stating 450-500 hours.
It's not about beliving or not...it's about statements. And i dont care if they belive or not to their statements. To me they said 500 hours just a few seconds after i complained about the c60 sound quality and that is different from the amount they suggest in their marketing material. That is the problem from my point of view.
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February 5, 2020, 07:34 PM #109
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February 5, 2020, 07:37 PM #111
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February 5, 2020, 07:47 PM #114
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Well, thanks all for a fun spirited discussion. Hopefully no one has been offended.
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February 5, 2020, 07:52 PM #115
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Dynaudio and their dealers, is very open about the time it takes to run in their speakers. I've personally run in 3 pairs of Dyns or new Dynaudio drivers, including when I installed Esotar tweeters in my Contour S3.4s.
Older models take a minimum of 300 hours; the Special 40s take 450 hours. This is well documented. If Dyn says it takes 500 hours, you can take it to the bank. The problem is, is that they can intially sound great, then start to sound really bad in the middle phase of running them in. Some owners, thinking they will never get better, will sell them at this point. This is a mistake because once they get to 500 hours, they are glorious.
Are you tracking with data the hours you are playing the speakers?
Also, most respect, David, we've been over and over this ground now for quite some time, I'm not sure its of any added value for us to keep repeating the same thing we've been telling you since you got these in the Autumn of 2019.
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February 5, 2020, 08:23 PM #116
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I just let them play 24h/day so in 10 more days they have to be ready. I'm courious.
But one question...still the same... why if everyone exprerience 300 hours minimum break in dynaudio still advises 30 hours? Do you think this is honest? You quoted my question but you didn't answered to it. Why whalmart no and Dynaudio yes?
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April 18, 2020, 09:37 PM #117
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since more than a month I have completed 500 break-in hours. I waited a month to write my impressionas in order to listen widely to the new speakers that Dynaudio sent me. To be precise, this is not a new set of speakers but the same that I had before but revised by Dynaudio.
From the start, with the revised speakers, the sound was better than the previous Contour 60. The ridiculously boomy bass left the scene. The timbre has improved a lot. The impression of listening to a wooden box making sounds has disappeared. In short, sound rendering is much better than before. Remember that my little 1000 euro Genelecs sounded more captivating and realistic than my first pair of Contour 60s. Now the Contour 60s sound better than the Genelec. But not too much. And the new Contour 60 still doesn't sound as good as my 20-year-old Contour 3.3. Ah ... I don't think I'm influenced by the long ownership of Contour 3.3 ... I've only owned them for two years. However, the sound stage of the Contour 3.3 is much better defined, wider and deeper. It is simply easy to locate each instrument on stage. It is not the same with Contour 60. The sound stage is blurred. I moved them to every possible position in my 70m2 music room. However, the timbre of the Contour 3.3 is more natural and realistic than that of the Contour 60, hands down. I have a baby Bluthner grand piano in the same room, so it is very easy for me to compare the timbre of the two Contours with the piano itself. But the Contour 60 distort less the sound at very high volumes. The Contour 3.3 cannot play very loud without distortion. But Contour 3.3 sounds wonderfully at 1 to 1 volume. I can easily play Contour 3.3 at the same volume as a jazz quartet in my room. Or at the volume of an orchestra it sounds if you are in the 5th or 6th row. This is enough for me. So to anyone looking for a Contour 60 or similar style speaker, I can only recommend to look for a used 1500-1600 euro Contour 3.3 first and giving them an opportunity. They are much easier to place in the room, they are smaller and much more elegant and invisible in your room, the sound stage is simply wonderful, the timbre is simply perfect, sparkling but not fatiguing highs, wonderful voices, deep and controlled bass. I had the opportunity to compare them with a pair of 10,000 euro focal lengths and widely with the Contour 60. Hands down the Contour 3.3. In fact, I'm going to sell Contour 60 and keep 3.3. Sorry Dynaudio, the guy who designed the Contour 3.3 had better ears than the one who designed the Contour 60, that's all.
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April 18, 2020, 09:45 PM #118
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Be very careful of comparing a recorded piano to a live piano. As you have no idea where the mic was placed during the recording and the recorded sound can be drastically different from your live listening session. Heck, you don’t even know what kind of piano it was, surely its not the same as your own or tuned the same.
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April 18, 2020, 09:49 PM #119
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April 18, 2020, 10:13 PM #120
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Sorry to hear that your upgrade didn't pan out so it goes tho'. Inflation? Idk but trying to upgrade from a pair of speakers that were $3-4000. 25 years ago is going to cost 5 times that now. I liked the C60 better than the other speakers in their price range. Home demos are so important when buying new.
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April 18, 2020, 10:42 PM #122
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Is anyone familiar with the statement that a system is only as good as its weakest link? With all due respect to David, I have to believe that applies in this case. I own a pair of the Contour 60 speakers myself and find their performance to be superb, but I'm driving them with the Luxman C-900u and M-900u electronics and commensurate level analog and digital source gear. They replaced the highly praised Magnepan 3.7i in my system and I'm very pleased with the resulting sonic performance. In the first post of this thread David states that he runs his system with a Phase Linear 3000 preamp which after checking dates back to 1978 and cost about $500. Apparently he likes the sound of his older Contours better with his setup and no one can dispute that, but his conclusions about the Contour 60 speakers need to be taken with a grain of salt and an understanding of what type of gear he is driving them with. Personally I find the Contour 60s to perform at a level far above their cost when driven by components which are suitably matched in their level of performance. We all have different tastes and preferences and are fortunate to have so much gear to choose from.
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April 18, 2020, 10:56 PM #123
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I'm driving the Contour 60 with a 400W Krell. Stereophile says that this is one of the best integrated amplifiers they ever tested. I will not go trough the try and error hell. What i experienced with the contour 60 is already the silliest thing i passed in my life. I'm devoted to music, not to hifi gear. If the Audiophile world is not as precise and quality oriented as the music instrument world is, then i just don't care about it anymore. I just keep the contour 3.3 which sounds wonderful with the Phase Linear + linn and with the Krell. I probably will sell the phase linear + linn too.
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April 18, 2020, 11:02 PM #124
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I have also owned the Contour 60’s and I found them to perform quite well. So much so that I now have the Confidence 30. As always, we all have our own opinions.
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April 18, 2020, 11:30 PM #125
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April 19, 2020, 10:30 AM #126
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You certainly gave the 60's opportunity, we just like what we like. Sorry it didn't work out, I know what a bad experience that can be. I wonder what Dynaudio did to them, if it was just additional break in or they tweaked them for you.
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Yes, or why not with that or with that, or try even that other gear, or may the cables or an other room? In my case i'm sure have to replace my brain because it seems to me the audiophile hobby is the ideal place for fortune tellers, believers and collectors non of which fit's my tastes. Sorry, i have to say that, it's just ridiculous. In every other business this tetris-like approach to quality would be perceived as a joke. Anyway, good luck, enjoy, and thanks to everyone for his effort to help me out.
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April 19, 2020, 10:41 AM #128
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Perhaps too many choices is simple too many for some. This hobby is not for everyone
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April 19, 2020, 10:51 AM #129
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I echo these sentiments. I am truly astonished at how good the Contour 60s are in my system. My situation is the opposite of the OP. My 60s are basically the least expensive component in my system. IMO, they represent a remarkable bargain.
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April 23, 2020, 12:02 PM #130
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I may have stumbled onto the answer to my question why the 60's returned to the OP had a different sound.
A new Contour series is being released with "trickle down tech from the new Confidence series". This may be what the second speaker was, it included the new drivers or whatever is in this new series. The new drivers apparently look quite different from classic Dyn, having a smaller dust cap. So my theory would be easy to confirm.
When Dynaudio was an independent company they did do some strange things regarding bringing out models. They'd build something for fun, end up liking it, then we'd see a new model in the line up or a Special Edition of some kind. However, to my knowledge this is the quickest replacement of a series I've seen from them. And we know they are no longer independent.Aurender ACS10 w/Audioquest Diamond USB, Esoteric N05xd
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I may have stumbled onto the answer to my question why the 60's returned to the OP had a different sound.
A new Contour series is being released with "trickle down tech from the new Confidence series". This may be what the second speaker was, it included the new drivers or whatever is in this new series. The new drivers apparently look quite different from classic Dyn, having a smaller dust cap. So my theory would be easy to confirm.
When Dynaudio was an independent company they did do some strange things regarding bringing out models. They'd build something for fun, end up liking it, then we'd see a new model in the line up or a Special Edition of some kind. However, to my knowledge this is the quickest replacement of a series I've seen from them. And we know they are no longer independent.Aurender ACS10 w/Audioquest Diamond USB, Esoteric N05xd
Mark Levinson #526, 534 & JBL 4367's
Clearaudio Performance DC w/Maestro cart
Clarus Concerto & their Crimson cables
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April 23, 2020, 12:07 PM #132
Dynaudio Contour 60
Highly highly unlikely. New tweeter. Same midrange driver but now enclosed in a “cup”. New bass drivers. New crossover with new (much higher) position of speaker terminals.
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