Balanced preamp : W4s, Hegel or parasound ?
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    Question Balanced preamp : W4s, Hegel or parasound ?

    Hi all,

    I'm looking to change my audio Gd nfb1amp preamp for one with a real HT bypass (plus xlr input, 2 RCA inputs, RCA and XLR outputs...).

    I've found 3 candidates under 1500$ (used ones) :

    - wyred4sound Mpre : great reviews a few years ago but very ugly
    - hegel P20 : very few reviews, looks solid
    - Parasound P7 : swiss army knife. Musical enough?

    What are your views on these devices ? Is there other good choices for the same price ?
    I prefer neutral/ warm sound than bright one.
    I made some researches on the forum, I live in Europe so many brands are unavailable in my country (or too much custom taxes).
    I saw the Schiit Freya, it hasn't real HT bypass, it's too bad.


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    Re: Balanced preamp : W4s, Hegel or parasound ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ros3bud View Post
    Hi all,

    I'm looking to change my audio Gd nfb1amp preamp for one with a real HT bypass (plus xlr input, 2 RCA inputs, RCA and XLR outputs...).

    I've found 3 candidates under 1500$ (used ones) :

    - wyred4sound Mpre : great reviews a few years ago but very ugly
    - hegel P20 : very few reviews, looks solid
    - Parasound P7 : swiss army knife. Musical enough?

    What are your views on these devices ? Is there other good choices for the same price ?
    I prefer neutral/ warm sound than bright one.
    I made some researches on the forum, I live in Europe so many brands are unavailable in my country (or too much custom taxes).
    I saw the Schiit Freya, it hasn't real HT bypass, it's too bad.

    Joe was telling me the W4S is a great preamp. Hopefully he will chime in here.
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    Re: Balanced preamp : W4s, Hegel or parasound ?

    On the W4S you need to look for the STP-SE not the mPre.
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    Re: Balanced preamp : W4s, Hegel or parasound ?

    The W4S stage 2 preamp is stunning. I don’t know enough about the Mpre.

    Friends and I were a little disappointed by the matching preamp for the H30. I forgot the model number but at the time, it really held back the amp.

    I have no experience with the Parasound but they get lots of love around the forums.
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    Re: Balanced preamp : W4s, Hegel or parasound ?

    Joe

    The mPre is a combo unit with a Dac built in.
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    Re: Balanced preamp : W4s, Hegel or parasound ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    On the W4S you need to look for the STP-SE not the mPre.
    Yeah I know the STP SE reputation but this preamp is hard to find (used) in Europe... and overpriced as new

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    Re: Balanced preamp : W4s, Hegel or parasound ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Joe

    The mPre is a combo unit with a Dac built in.
    Looks like a nice unit. Thanks Jack.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ros3bud View Post
    Yeah I know the STP SE reputation but this preamp is hard to find (used) in Europe... and overpriced as new
    I didn’t realize that you were in Europe.
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    Re: Balanced preamp : W4s, Hegel or parasound ?

    IMO, the W4S STP-SE-2 in balanced mode, is a stunning preamplifier, punching w-a-a-a-y above it's price point. Of course, I am biased, as I eventually chose to buy mine as it was so good.
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    Re: Balanced preamp : W4s, Hegel or parasound ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Smith View Post
    IMO, the W4S STP-SE-2 in balanced mode, is a stunning preamplifier, punching w-a-a-a-y above it's price point. Of course, I am biased, as I eventually chose to buy mine as it was so good.
    The stp se , simple version is still a good preamp ?
    Very pricey in my country.

    And I had a look to the audio gd master 1, nice reviews.. could it be better than Mpre w4s, primare pre32, parasound p7, hegel p20, hattor mini with opa...?

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    Re: Balanced preamp : W4s, Hegel or parasound ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ros3bud View Post
    The stp se , simple version is still a good preamp ?
    Very pricey in my country.

    And I had a look to the audio gd master 1, nice reviews.. could it be better than Mpre w4s, primare pre32, parasound p7, hegel p20, hattor mini with opa...?
    I only have direct experience with the STP-SE-2.

    I have NOT compared it directly to the Hegel or Parasound, each of which should be very good.
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