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Thread: Why no turntable?
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November 3, 2019, 03:42 PM #251
Re: Why no turntable?
Once the table is set up, what are you fiddling with? You’re done. Just clean and play the record.
You certainly spend more time “fiddling” with your digital with all the efforts around switches, Ethernet cables, filters, optimizing the digital transport and more.
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November 3, 2019, 04:06 PM #252
Re: Why no turntable?
This is what I mean about personal preferences.
Cleaning an album, cleaning your stylus, record weight/clamps, short listening times between the next "fiddling", changing speeds, carefully handling the album, storage, etc. is all part of fiddling. Doing fine tuning like Rex described and re-doing if it does not work out exactly right since there is no easy go back. In some ways it is fun, others not so much.
Some find this stuff enjoyable, I don't.
To me digital is pretty much setup and you are done. Play what you want. You could literally listen to the entire new Woodstock release without getting out of your chair if you are so inclined.
It shows me there is no right or wrong. I can respect vinyl fans, probably even more now. I will enjoy both, but digital will remain my primary source. For now my new vinyl is making me feel nostalgic, and I am enjoying it.McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Wyred 4 Sound ISO Recovery, DC Recovery | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
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November 3, 2019, 04:07 PM #253
Re: Why no turntable?
Brand new quality records aren't cheap today. But yesterday's records we have plenty of those, plus second hand music record stores are in effervescence (unraveling). Analog and digital rigs go hand-in-hand today in an audiophile life; one doesn't compete but completes the other in a unique magic way.
Living with one without the other is like living in an incomplete audio world.
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November 3, 2019, 11:35 PM #254
Re: Why no turntable?
This evening I bought a few more albums. One was Pink Floyd The Wall - remastered from original analog tapes by Bernie and crew, pressed on 180g vinyl. I got to say, this is the best sounding that I have ever heard The Wall. Impressed the hell out of me!
Talked with my buddy a bit about cleaning, etc. I decided to order a Record Doctor machine to give good first archival cleanings of each and every record. He thought that this was a very good choice if I was not going into crazy level machines. My wife actually encouraged me to buy a solid cleaner, but I could not bring myself to buying an expensive machine at this point. Especially when considering the level of the table ... She is so amazing I got to say.McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Wyred 4 Sound ISO Recovery, DC Recovery | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
“One of the great challenges in life is knowing enough to think you're right but not enough to know you're wrong”
"You can't use reason to convince anyone out of an argument that they didn't use reason to get into"
― Neil deGrasse Tyson
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November 3, 2019, 11:43 PM #255
Re: Why no turntable?
My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
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November 4, 2019, 09:04 AM #256
Re: Why no turntable?
Hehe Mike, I only care about one lady and she really likes the look of the U-Turn .
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“One of the great challenges in life is knowing enough to think you're right but not enough to know you're wrong”
"You can't use reason to convince anyone out of an argument that they didn't use reason to get into"
― Neil deGrasse Tyson
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November 4, 2019, 10:13 AM #257
Why no turntable?
The Wall is now on my list.
The way I’m seeing it there is a good amount of music out there to source on record, more than you can possibly playback on some type of regular basis - not in it for one time playback.
After this weekend my Wife said she wants to get into music now seeing my new fascination with albums and offered us to go into the music room, of course all my thoughts leaned on the naughty side, but she’s being honest, but I don’t think she’ll understand the RCM just yet unlike Randy’s wife
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November 4, 2019, 10:18 AM #258
Re: Why no turntable?
Try to find a Japanese pressing of DSOTM. Incredible.
https://www.discogs.com/sell/release...n=Mint+%28M%29
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November 4, 2019, 10:20 AM #259
Re: Why no turntable?
Another must have (not related to PF):
https://store.acousticsounds.com/d/1...m_Vinyl_RecordMy Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
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November 4, 2019, 11:02 AM #260
Re: Why no turntable?
I changed my VTA a few times yesterday. Finally got it to where I feel it sounds best. So far. Probably needs more adjusting. Also going to demo a Sensitive Sound cartridge.
I keep fiddling Mike because I don't know where best is. When you play at a level we are all at,it's the little adjustmets that find the ahhhh. Or so I think. I'm impressed with what my vinyle has done in the past. I have never gotten it past what my digital can do, yet everyone says it should. So now I'm trying the little tweeks to find that last it. Yesterday it was doing darn good. I did not bother going back and forth between my baseline vinyl and digital files. I was just enjoying.
My server also goes in for a software update in a couple weeks. I need my vinyl working well. Sonething has tontie me over.First Sound Mark3SI preamp. Audion Black Shadow 845 SET Monoblocks. Mojo Audio Deja Vu Server. Mojo Audio Mystic 3 DAC. Linear Solution Ethernet Switch. Gigafoil with LPS. STST Motus II TT with Vertere SG1 arm, Hana ML Cartridge, Allnic H1201 phono pre. Pure Audio Project Trio 15 Horn speakers with Mundord Supreme oil caps. Power via 10 awg Oyaide cable from panel to custom distribution strip feeding front end. Oyaide dedicated10 AWG branch circuits from panel to each amp. Inakustik speaker and interconnect cables, Genesis Interconnect.
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November 4, 2019, 11:39 AM #261
Re: Why no turntable?
What I am finding is that for the most part my digital is better (obviously they are at completely different levels), but I have found a couple of situations where I would say the vinyl (even on my cheepy table) sounds better. Two albums in particular are mind blowing. One my buddy gave me for all the work I have done for him, Fleetwood Mac, which is a remastered from original master tapes and pressed on 180g 45 RPM vinyl. The other is the Pink Floyd The Wall, remastered from original master tapes and and pressed on 180g vinyl. Both are startling and better then any other copy I have heard.
I have a Clearaudio record clamp arriving today and a cleaning machine arriving tomorrow. Not a high level like other's here have (yes Ed, I am looking at you ), but should help doing a deep cleaning on the vinyl.
I will probably add a Blue Stylus and I should be solid for a while. I may take my buddy up on his offer to borrow an external phono stage just to see the difference. He has three so he will definitely have one available. Any of my records that my new machine cannot get perfect he will give his "special treatment" on, which he says will 100% take care of any issues .McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Wyred 4 Sound ISO Recovery, DC Recovery | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
“One of the great challenges in life is knowing enough to think you're right but not enough to know you're wrong”
"You can't use reason to convince anyone out of an argument that they didn't use reason to get into"
― Neil deGrasse Tyson
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November 4, 2019, 11:54 AM #262
Re: Why no turntable?
I’m glad your jumping over and putting additional effort into to the T/T - if you have it, then get the most out of it!
Even for me this is hard to say, but get it to a point then stop!
Listen and appreciate what you have!
You can fiddle F’ until your blue in the face!
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Source Digital: Aurender N10 | Brinkmann Nyquist MK II
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Speakers: Wilson Alexias
Cabling: Nordost Leif, Norse, V2 and Odin
Power and Isolation: Audio-Ultra Home & Room Power Foundation Performance Package with StromTank S1000 | HRS
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November 4, 2019, 12:01 PM #263
Re: Why no turntable?
Honestly last night, I was going back and forth between the inputs DAC and Phono listening to songs from the Doors Soft Parade, and the Analog was more dynamic on a better sound stage than the downloaded version but digital was quieter - both are the new remasters from analog tape and IMO good. Streaming was not far behind the downloaded version.
The records seem to be a key factor, and it’s an effort to know and find the right ones.
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Source Digital: Aurender N10 | Brinkmann Nyquist MK II
Amplification: Dan D’Agostino Momentum HD and M400’s | Boulder 508
Speakers: Wilson Alexias
Cabling: Nordost Leif, Norse, V2 and Odin
Power and Isolation: Audio-Ultra Home & Room Power Foundation Performance Package with StromTank S1000 | HRS
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November 4, 2019, 12:10 PM #264
Re: Why no turntable?
I have been on and off with it. I had an RP6 before I had the server. Only for a few weeks. I just never got the TT dialed in. Well actually it was pretty darn good. Then my house cleaner ripped the stylus off the cartridge. I got a new Exact cartridge from Rega. It never sounded the same. During a cleaning session I noticed the cantilever would flex way to the right, but not move at all to the left. I was also told the diamond was worn out after 50 of so records. I though I was given a bad replacement. I sent it back to Rega but they told me to pound sand. I don't know I like Rega or not. I got a new motor last week and it was warbling some. The dealer actually had an engineer on the phone from Rega. Told me to let it run for a few days to heat up and move the fluids around. It seems to run fine now. That was nice they took the time to talk to a nobody.
Its actually surprising me how good my vinyl sounds now. For a homemade plinth I'm impressed. But I think what I did is solid and similar to what Vertere builds. They use Acrylic so I did to match the arm. I bonded the acrylic to Corian for additional strength and dampening. So far it seems to work. Still thinking of a Direct Drive. Maybe an SP10 or the STST Motus.
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November 4, 2019, 12:15 PM #265
Re: Why no turntable?
I still have to acknowledge, my entire system transformed when I put the Add-Power Symphony and Electraclear on my power strip. It has stepped up all components in my system. It's just nicer to listen too all around.
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November 4, 2019, 01:59 PM #266
Why no turntable?
Sold my AMG Viella on Saturday!
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November 4, 2019, 02:10 PM #267
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November 4, 2019, 06:20 PM #268
Re: Why no turntable?
Source Analog: Kuzma Stabi R w/4point 11 arm | Kuzma 50 Cartridge
Source Digital: Aurender N10 | Brinkmann Nyquist MK II
Amplification: Dan D’Agostino Momentum HD and M400’s | Boulder 508
Speakers: Wilson Alexias
Cabling: Nordost Leif, Norse, V2 and Odin
Power and Isolation: Audio-Ultra Home & Room Power Foundation Performance Package with StromTank S1000 | HRS
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November 4, 2019, 06:22 PM #269
Re: Why no turntable?
To me Add-POWR adds to the foundation, and if the foundation is not strong with electrical, grounding and isolation then you are not getting the most out of your system, and for they guys that don’t get this, they start chasing speakers and components and that has to be expensive!
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Source Digital: Aurender N10 | Brinkmann Nyquist MK II
Amplification: Dan D’Agostino Momentum HD and M400’s | Boulder 508
Speakers: Wilson Alexias
Cabling: Nordost Leif, Norse, V2 and Odin
Power and Isolation: Audio-Ultra Home & Room Power Foundation Performance Package with StromTank S1000 | HRS
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November 4, 2019, 08:58 PM #270
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Re: Why no turntable?
Randy, upgrading to the Blue stylus will make a nice difference. Personally I do not like the Ortofon Red. I think it is way overhyped. It find it bright, grainy, noisy and irritating. It is dynamic and punchy. The Blue is a little smoother but similar.
If you decide to upgrade to a better phono preamp, consider the Lounge Audio LCR III. It got an excellent write up in Stereophile. I had a friend loan me his LCR III Silver addition which was phenomenal. Detailed, very wide and deep sound stage. Very musical with good texture and punch. It performs well above its price point.My Gear- Mains System-Pass X250 amp, BAT VK-51se preamp, Luxman DA-06 DAC, Magnepan 1.6's, Thorens TD-145 TT, Dual Martin Logan Subs, Vintage Luxman T-110 Tuner, Cables-WW Platinum 7 USB, Cardas Parsec XLR, AQ Columbia DBS 72v XLR, Belden 8402 XLR.
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November 4, 2019, 09:04 PM #271
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Re: Why no turntable?
Agree with Larry about the Red and another great option for a reasonably priced phono stage is the Vista Audio Phono II which is built in NY and unless something has changed since I bought mine Boris will let you try it out first. Fully flexible gain and loading options for if at some time in the future you want to try a MC cartridge.
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November 4, 2019, 09:05 PM #272
Re: Why no turntable?
That pre looks pretty good, and in the range I would be considering.
Looks like another good choice Jack. It is nice to know when/if I decide to go that route that there are some solid choices!
Record clamp came in today, Record Doctor tomorrow. I am always fairly particular in taking care of albums. Not opposed to doing a little work. It sound like it is a solid vacuum cleaner for reasonable price.McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Wyred 4 Sound ISO Recovery, DC Recovery | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
“One of the great challenges in life is knowing enough to think you're right but not enough to know you're wrong”
"You can't use reason to convince anyone out of an argument that they didn't use reason to get into"
― Neil deGrasse Tyson
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November 4, 2019, 09:22 PM #273
Re: Why no turntable?
Got home from work. Spun some vinyl and played some Qobuz. I just like the Qubuz so much more. Maybe my open baffle and tubes asks for something more clean. Just speculating. I just enjoy the digital so much more. It works very well in my setup.
First Sound Mark3SI preamp. Audion Black Shadow 845 SET Monoblocks. Mojo Audio Deja Vu Server. Mojo Audio Mystic 3 DAC. Linear Solution Ethernet Switch. Gigafoil with LPS. STST Motus II TT with Vertere SG1 arm, Hana ML Cartridge, Allnic H1201 phono pre. Pure Audio Project Trio 15 Horn speakers with Mundord Supreme oil caps. Power via 10 awg Oyaide cable from panel to custom distribution strip feeding front end. Oyaide dedicated10 AWG branch circuits from panel to each amp. Inakustik speaker and interconnect cables, Genesis Interconnect.
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November 4, 2019, 09:25 PM #274
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Re: Why no turntable?
Randy
The Vista sounds great and has been completely reliable for over two years plus it is small enough to hide it out of sight if room dictates it. I use to swap cartridges fairly frequently and with the change of a few dip switches on the bottom I could adapt the loading and gain in a few seconds. Still $399.
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Family Room - Oppo UDP-203, Auralic Aries, Aqua La Voce S3, Kinki Studio EX-M1+, Nola KO, (2) Rythmik F-12G, Wireworld SC & IC's, Neotech PC's, SurgeX SA-1810
Greenville, SC- Jays CDT2 Mk 3, Auralic Aries G1, Holo Spring 3 KTE, Supratek Chardonnay, Odyssey Audio Kismet Reference, Rosso Fiorentino Volterra 2, (2) RSL Speedwoofers, iFi Audio Power Station, Wireworld IC's, Inakustik USB and I2s, Triode Wire Lab SC, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Furutech NCF Clear Line, Timbernation rack.
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November 4, 2019, 09:53 PM #275
Re: Why no turntable?
That definitely makes total sense. I got to get all my vinyl deep cleaned and then next step will be the Blue stylus. Hoping to check out one of Dan's phone stages, and will probably look to go that way.
I still love and prefer digital, but having fun playing with vinyl.McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Wyred 4 Sound ISO Recovery, DC Recovery | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
“One of the great challenges in life is knowing enough to think you're right but not enough to know you're wrong”
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― Neil deGrasse Tyson
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November 4, 2019, 10:07 PM #276
Re: Why no turntable?
My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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November 4, 2019, 10:23 PM #277
Re: Why no turntable?
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Amplification: MBL 6010D, MBL 9008A Monos
Analog: Kuzma R, Kuzma 4Point (11”), MSL Ultra Eminent EX
Phono Pre: Pass XP-27
Digital: Esoteric N01XD Esoteric K05
Speakers: MBL 101E MKII
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November 4, 2019, 11:33 PM #278
Re: Why no turntable?
Source Analog: Kuzma Stabi R w/4point 11 arm | Kuzma 50 Cartridge
Source Digital: Aurender N10 | Brinkmann Nyquist MK II
Amplification: Dan D’Agostino Momentum HD and M400’s | Boulder 508
Speakers: Wilson Alexias
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November 4, 2019, 11:38 PM #279
Re: Why no turntable?
Source Analog: Kuzma Stabi R w/4point 11 arm | Kuzma 50 Cartridge
Source Digital: Aurender N10 | Brinkmann Nyquist MK II
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November 5, 2019, 12:10 AM #280
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Re: Why no turntable?
That "special sauce" might be definable. A very interesting read from a Caltech educated biophysicist and neuroscientist...
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November 5, 2019, 08:30 AM #281
Re: Why no turntable?
given the performance being seen of the u-turn TT + arm in quite nice systems, i does at least beg the question of wether it makes sense to allocate proportionally more of the total analog expenditure towards the cartridge and phono-pre? in other words, buy a high quality "entry level" TT and then up the game for a higher end cartridge and phono-pre.
more generically: given the performance being seen in "entry level" TTs in great systems, what percentage of the total analog expenditure would you allocate to the TT, cartridge and phono-pre?
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November 5, 2019, 08:40 AM #282
Re: Why no turntable?
$15K or less.
VPI Prime Signature ($6500)
Ortofon Cadenza Black ($2800)
Mid Priced Phonostage ($3000-$6000). Luxman Phono.
Nice Phono Cable ($1000)
You could add a VPI ADS, but frankly, I think the speed stability of the VPI motor is excellent (we tested it). It does make switching from 33 to 45 a little easier.
A nice ISOAcoustics Turntable Platform.My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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November 5, 2019, 09:25 AM #283
Re: Why no turntable?
Same as others are saying, my digital will remain my primary source, but I am enjoying playing around with vinyl. Very nostalgic for me.
A few upgrades are warranted with the U-Turn because they make it so the table can appreciate these. To me it has been better cables (I already had them so why not), a record clam (seems to work and easy on the motor), record cleaning machine (no matter what level of table the vinyl needs to be cared for), Blue stylus (same cartridge but supposed to be a nice improvement that is easily appreciated on the U-Turn), phono pre (the one that come with it is fine but I can experiment).
The bottom line is the table does the basics very well. It is in our nature to improve where we can, however I doubt I will go any higher for a good long while, if ever. This table is a true audio bargain! Not the same level but similar to how I feel about my pre-amplifier, music server, speakers, and DAC.McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Wyred 4 Sound ISO Recovery, DC Recovery | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
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November 5, 2019, 10:26 AM #284
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Re: Why no turntable?
With us it simply came down to storage and room. We live in a small house and were storing our vinyl records in our only walk in closet. We really needed that room for clothes storage. There was just nowhere else to put the boxes of vinyl albums.
I checked the internet and the vinyl albums weren't worth much at the time (20 or so years ago). Plus, they were so heavy that any profit would have been spent for shipping. I knew I would regret it but I gave them away to a friend. Yes, gave them away! I still regret it to this day. But I don't have to hear complaints about how much room the 16 boxes of albums were taking up. Also, at that time vinyl records and turntables were going the way of the Dodo bird.
CDs were rapidly taking over, with vinyl records and turntables just as rapidly disappearing. I wouldn't mind having a TT now and some vinyl records but I'm just not sure I want to go down that path again. The expense alone is a deterrent. A high quality TT is pricey these days and the cost of good quality cartridges, IMHO, is obscene. So, I'll probably just stick with streaming. I also have about 2000 CDs (ripped to iTunes, WAV) stored in a chest of drawers and on a couple racks. They might be the next to go, I'm not sure yet. I'll wait and see where streaming and my ripped CDs take me. I'll also be getting Roon with my new system and I eventually might not have any need for CD storage (my wife would love that). Like I said, I'll just wait and see. The changes in streaming are coming fast and furious.
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November 5, 2019, 10:45 AM #285
Re: Why no turntable?
Mike, i think the question is, would a uturn owner see a real benefit adding a $1500 cartridge and $4000 phono pre. Ultrafast told me Fremmer said don't get a better cartridge than the table.
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November 5, 2019, 10:54 AM #286
Re: Why no turntable?
Start with the table first. In the store, we have three Avid turntables (good, better, best) with the same arm, same cart, going to the same Phonostage (Luxman EQ500) on the same platforms (Critical Mass Maxxum), so we can show people the sonic benefits of the table alone. Many new to analog think “the table doesn’t matter, it’s all about the cartridge”. Linn dispelled that myth in the 80’s.
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November 5, 2019, 11:10 AM #287
Re: Why no turntable?
Budget percentages are tricky.
You don’t want to exceed your system unless your committed for other changes, like speakers that should IMO command the highest allocation.
Anyone that is considering Analog with little to no experience and a budget should seriously consider an entry level turn table and then play with it as you’ll learn what cartridges do, a good process on how to care for and play records and then move up the line to cables and maybe a separate phono in time.
There’s a lot of neat stuff out there that won’t break the bank and get you spinning records starting from $179.00 with improvements up to approx $2000.00.
If your “all in” out the gate, or upgrading, I think an overall budget of 15% - 20% retail in a reference system is a safe position.
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November 5, 2019, 02:16 PM #288
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November 5, 2019, 02:25 PM #289
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Re: Why no turntable?
Thanks for the link. The article is badly written in terms of scientific accuracy. The author obfuscates well into, or even beyond, the middle of the article uncompressed with compressed digital. Even right before discussing Shannon and Nyquist that ambiguity exists, subtly suggesting that these theorems have something to do with compression. Either the author is incompetent or manipulative. Neither of these options is appealing. Only in the last part of the article he draws a clear distinction between compressed and uncompressed.
Neil Young by the way views also CD digital as being compressed, which demonstrates his lack of technical understanding.
As for the microsecond thing, if location where an issue with digital, then the soundstage would be inferior. I simply don't hear that. I also question if in real world terms the resolution of a vinyl groove is sufficiently accurate to make the theoretical difference that the author claims.
In terms of emotion, and subtlety thereof, I get exactly the same experience from great Redbook CD digital as from great analog.
As for the general audio quality of digital vs analog, even just four years ago I would have agreed with the digital critics, even though I have been a digital only guy for three decades now. Yet with current CD playback quality, digital has bridged the divide to analog to my ears. And I am regularly exposed to top level vinyl playback in three friends' systems. I find my current CD playback to be sensational -- and highly satisfying, to the extent that I can stay glued to my system for hours on end. It's just addictive.
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November 5, 2019, 03:07 PM #290
Why no turntable?
$5k analog budget:
VPI Scout Prime - $2500
Ortofon 2M Bronze - $400
SimAudio 110LPV2 - $400
AudioQuest phono cable - $300
Spend the rest on records or get the nice ISOACOUSTICS TT platform.
Digital?
Aqua La Voce S3 - $4300 or Lumin T2 - $4500
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November 5, 2019, 03:31 PM #292
Re: Why no turntable?
My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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November 5, 2019, 03:47 PM #293
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Interesting interpretation. Rather than infer malicious motives, I read it as two distinct arguments, but I certainly see your point. He certainly seems to create an implied inequity in the positions of the musicians and the technologists with the musicians occupying the moral (but rhetorically indefensible) high ground and the technologists seemingly constrained by their dogma.
This seems to support the author's argument. Despite Mr. Young's lack of technical understanding, he feels that there is something missing in the digital reproduction of his music. His inability to intellectually support this position shouldn't be an a priori negation of his intuition. Many artists see a reality that cannot be supported by empirical fact. Certainly, the Rouen Cathedral looks nothing like how Claude Monet depicted it, but the absence (or presence) of additional technical information doesn't diminish the effect on our senses.
I don't think there necessarily has to be either a tangible or perceptible auditory response, but I am intrigued by the suggestion that the brain invokes deeper distinctions created by the biological differences of clusters of neurons simultaneously firing as receptors of a sound event vs. the (mis)/perceptions of the cognitive analysis of discrete changes in amplitudes.
This is really all that matters, that you derive pleasure from the wonderful system that you've assembled. In this sense, the article is just a conversation piece.
And yet there are still those who feel that there is and therein lies the crux of the article. The dissonance seem to occur when we simply dismiss people who adopt this point of view because our own predispositions won't allow us to entertain the possibility that we might be missing something.
Great response. Thanks Al!
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November 5, 2019, 04:31 PM #294My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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November 5, 2019, 11:56 PM #295
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Re: QRe: Why no turntable?
Thank you. Your systems look wonderful too! I am a big Magico fan.
And yet there are still those who feel that there is and therein lies the crux of the article. The dissonance seem to occur when we simply dismiss people who adopt this point of view because our own predispositions won't allow us to entertain the possibility that we might be missing something.
For example, Gidon Kremer's interpretation of Bach violin sonatas and partitas on Philips (1980, I think) sounds so much better on vinyl than on the 1990 CD release on that label. On the other hand, the also 1990 CD release on the same Philips label of Tchaikovsky first piano concerto and the violin concerto (Arrau, Accardo soloists/ Colin Davis cond.) sounds excellent to my ears. Maybe they didn't adjust the tape head correctly for the analog replay for the former release. Some of the early pop/rock CD releases also are rumoured to have lacked correction for Dolby A, which would explain some brightness. And then of course you have the loudness wars, a misuse of the capabilities of digital.
If I would spend more time with rock on my system I might be more inclined towards vinyl than l am now; with my diet of mainly classical and jazz, as well as more recent classical avantgarde and jazz avantgarde releases I am perfectly happy with digital.Simaudio Moon Neo 260 DT CD Transport / MIT SL-Matrix Plus AES/EBU digital cable / Schiit Yggdrasil Analog 2 DAC / Octave HP 700 preamp / Octave RE 320 stereo amp with Super Black Box / Reference 3A Reflector monitors on Sound Anchors Signature Stands / dual JL Audio Fathom 112 v2 subwoofers on ASC SubTraps / ZenWave Audio D4 and SMSG cables / Acoustic treatment: tube traps, Tri-panels, window plugs, ceiling diffusers (all ASC), large absorbing panels (Acoustics First), diverse carpets chosen for acoustic properties: wool, polypropylene basket-weave
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November 6, 2019, 01:15 AM #296
Re: Why no turntable?
“Life’s too short to listen to bad audio.”
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November 6, 2019, 12:15 PM #297
Re: Why no turntable?
I received the Record Doctor V yesterday. I have done about 10 albums so far. It does a fairly amazing job. It is not the most convenient to use in that it is manual to both spread the liquid and spin the album when it is being vacuumed. Using a bit of patience and it does a great job. Since I am not going to ever get into any type of cleaning to resell or any other such thing, for my use it is all I need. Some albums that had a ton of noise, including one used one that had ALOT of noise now play great with very little noise!
It will only get better with the MoFi brush that will be arriving today to replace the crappy one that comes with the cleaner!
I also ordered a Blue stylus. This should hold me for now ....McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Wyred 4 Sound ISO Recovery, DC Recovery | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
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November 6, 2019, 01:02 PM #298
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November 6, 2019, 06:59 PM #299
Re: Why no turntable?
Source Analog: Kuzma Stabi R w/4point 11 arm | Kuzma 50 Cartridge
Source Digital: Aurender N10 | Brinkmann Nyquist MK II
Amplification: Dan D’Agostino Momentum HD and M400’s | Boulder 508
Speakers: Wilson Alexias
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November 7, 2019, 09:46 AM #300
Why no turntable?
Hey Randy, I had one of these too! Next step is the VPI cleaner. Then save your pennies for a AudioDesk or ClearAudio Double Matrix and you’ll never look back.
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AudioShark - The Best High End Audio Discussion forum.
AudioShark forum is a leading forum site for High End Audio Discussion, Stereo System Discussion, Home Theater System Discussion, Best Home Stereo System Discussion, Home Theater Installation Discussion etc.
The AudioShark forum was created for sharing the passion of high-end Audio. We have Audiophiles from all over the world participating and sharing their knowledge. From novice to experts, you will find a friendly environment for discussing about High End Audio, Stereo System, Home Theater System, Home Stereo System, Home Theater Installation, Amplifiers, Speakers, Subwoofers, Integrated System, Acoustic treatments & Digital Room Corrections and many more.
At AudioShark, we also have incorporated an exciting Marketplace where members can peruse terrific buys on used gear, as well as meet dealers and discuss the purchase of new gear.
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Industry Participation Disclosure : The owner and administrator of Audioshark is the owner of Suncoast Audio LLC in Sarasota Florida. Suncoast Audio has a full brick and mortar presence in Sarasota with several great show rooms with many world class brands. More information can be found at http://www.suncoastaudio.com
Audioshark is a community of like minded individuals. Audioshark welcomes participation from all manufacturers and owners of all brands and products. It is our belief that online forums provide a community of like minded audiophiles and music lovers to encourage the growth of this wonderful hobby.
Sincerely,
The Audioshark.org Team
AudioShark forum is a leading forum site for High End Audio Discussion, Stereo System Discussion, Home Theater System Discussion, Best Home Stereo System Discussion, Home Theater Installation Discussion etc.
The AudioShark forum was created for sharing the passion of high-end Audio. We have Audiophiles from all over the world participating and sharing their knowledge. From novice to experts, you will find a friendly environment for discussing about High End Audio, Stereo System, Home Theater System, Home Stereo System, Home Theater Installation, Amplifiers, Speakers, Subwoofers, Integrated System, Acoustic treatments & Digital Room Corrections and many more.
At AudioShark, we also have incorporated an exciting Marketplace where members can peruse terrific buys on used gear, as well as meet dealers and discuss the purchase of new gear.
We are as crazy about this hobby as you are! So come on in and join us! Audioshark.org the Friendliest Audio Forum!
Industry Participation Disclosure : The owner and administrator of Audioshark is the owner of Suncoast Audio LLC in Sarasota Florida. Suncoast Audio has a full brick and mortar presence in Sarasota with several great show rooms with many world class brands. More information can be found at http://www.suncoastaudio.com
Audioshark is a community of like minded individuals. Audioshark welcomes participation from all manufacturers and owners of all brands and products. It is our belief that online forums provide a community of like minded audiophiles and music lovers to encourage the growth of this wonderful hobby.
Sincerely,
The Audioshark.org Team
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