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June 29, 2019, 11:23 PM #1
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A Question
All the talk of differences in cables and components had me wonder about this.
Can the difference between a C note of a $200.00 student violing and let's say a Stradivarius be measured?
Like maybe if both were recorded on exact same equipment then shown on an oscilloscope.Aurender ACS10 w/Audioquest Diamond USB, Esoteric N05xd
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June 30, 2019, 08:34 AM #3
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I believe there has to be some measurable difference.
I watched a tv show about a classic 300 year old Strad violin and cello (if I remember correctly) compared against more modern versions of the instruments. They even had panels of professional musicians and music enthusiasts. While most sounded very good, the Strad versions were clearly better. The Strads had more body and tone to the music. It was pretty amazing to hear even though the television. Some instruments were close but I’m sure in person, it might have been easier to tell.Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
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June 30, 2019, 08:52 AM #4
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June 30, 2019, 09:25 AM #5
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nd then we have listening sessions : https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017...nd-sound-check
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...ence-says-nope
I guess it depends. For example: My 1950 Martin D-28 Brazilian rosewood appraised between $10k and $12k vs a direct copy of a Blueridge BR-260 Brazilian Rosewood ( now worth $3,500) same top wood, same fret board material, same tuners, same strings, same bridge and tone peg materials and the same player same song,same notes and most people can't tell them apart. So it all depends.2chl : Vincent Sp331MkII, W4S STP-SE Stage 2, Kef 201/2, KEF 140, Vapor Breeze, Lumin, Bryston CD, BHA-1, Quicksilver Headamp, HD650, HD800s, HD820's, Dan Clark 1.1, Focal Stellia, OPPO 203, 105. ( Boxed up: Pass Xa-30.5, VPI Classic, Dynavector DV-20XL, Manley Chinook, Cadenza Bronze)
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July 1, 2019, 02:04 PM #6
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Re: A Question
I wonder if that applies to acoustic guitars? I have heard from players that they think the guitar getting better sounding the longer it is played.
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July 2, 2019, 08:05 AM #7
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Re: A Question
If you measure one violin, one player & one venue, then come back the next day and do the same measurements, the results will be different. There is little repeatability in acoustic measurements of this type.
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July 2, 2019, 09:34 AM #8
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The reason the older ones sounded better was the age and density of the wood used, that is no longer used today.
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July 2, 2019, 10:38 AM #9
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July 2, 2019, 10:55 AM #10
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July 2, 2019, 09:54 PM #11
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Re: A Question
I mainly used the violins as an example.
I'm curious as to what differences in sound can be measured. I know this is a huge subject.
I'd rather listen than tinker though.Aurender ACS10 w/Audioquest Diamond USB, Esoteric N05xd
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July 2, 2019, 10:19 PM #12
Re: A Question
New versus old.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017...nd-sound-checkBud
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July 2, 2019, 11:03 PM #13
Re: A Question
I had a customer bring in a Stradivarius once back when I was running a store in Syracuse. The difference with him playing his Stradivarius versus his other "concert" violin was quite remarkable. Very much more musical and involving to my ears. The sound just sort of sucked you in; I was very impressed!
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July 3, 2019, 10:02 AM #14
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July 5, 2019, 10:19 AM #15
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