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June 17, 2019, 08:40 AM #1
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Magico M2 vs M3
I heard the M2 and was very impressed by it but I wonder about the M3. At least one listener heard both and actually felt the M2 was the superior speaker!
"I used M Project before but changed to M6 for over a year.
I have heard S7 and M3 in a few occasions, such as in dealer showroom and in HiFi Show. M3 is much more refined and has higher resolution. Don’t be fouled by its relatively small cabinet size. It has a very big sound and very strong bass.
Also just heard M2 in Munich Hiend Show in two rooms. M2 is actually better than M3, it has all the advantages of M3 but has a warmer sound. The resolution is even higher. Until you have a fairly large room, such as over 800 sq ft, M2 is the speaker of choice.
M2 uses carbon fibre monocoque cabinet, while M3 is more traditional aluminium. This is exactly the same difference for M6 and M Project.
M6 has a warmer sound and more detailed presentation than M Project. This difference goes to M2 vs M3 as well."
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June 17, 2019, 08:44 AM #2
Magico M2 vs M3
I have both in the store. It’s common to think the new one is superior. It’s great, but the M3 plays bigger, plays louder, plays in a bigger room and has a more “weighty” sound. The M2 does a better disappearing act and is easier to move around and its size is more “manageable”.
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June 17, 2019, 08:55 AM #3
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Re: Magico M2 vs M3
M3 cabinet
M2 cabinet
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June 17, 2019, 09:00 AM #4
Magico M2 vs M3
The M2 cabinet will get the same internal bracing and midrange cone compartment as the M3 in finishing.
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June 17, 2019, 11:23 AM #5
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Re: Magico M2 vs M3
This is super helpful Mike. I know that we've talked a bit about moving me into an M2 or M3 (now if only the money would magically appear).
I wanted to point out that this is really reassuring as a Magico customer, overall. Just because the speaker is newer doesn't mean that someone who ordered an M3 the day before the M2 is announced should feel like they screwed up. Too many brands release models with incremental changes that leave older customers hanging out to dry. I'm glad to see Magico making amazing speakers and pushing the envelope while still giving buyers piece of mind about the quality of their purchase. Point being, if you made an amazing speaker last year and an amazing speaker this year, the older one should not sound "broken".
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June 18, 2019, 09:00 AM #6
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June 18, 2019, 09:39 AM #7My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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June 18, 2019, 10:37 PM #8
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Re: Magico M2 vs M3
So I had a chat with my local magico dealer. He said that actually the M2 is a more advanced speaker than the M3 because of the speaker design. The M3 would mainly be for people with big spaces that like to play loud. M2 is more versatile and even in a big space does well especially with subs. The big thing is he said its easier to manage being under 200 lbs so no one or no speaker gets hurt during installation.
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June 18, 2019, 10:39 PM #9
Re: Magico M2 vs M3
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June 19, 2019, 12:40 PM #10
Re: Magico M2 vs M3
He may be referring specifically to the carbon fiber monocoque enclosure, which is only found in the M2 and M6. The M3 has carbon fiber side panels but the main enclosure structure is the aluminum frame. Magico's own description of the enclosure differences leans towards the monocoque design as superior.
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June 19, 2019, 12:51 PM #11
Re: Magico M2 vs M3
My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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June 19, 2019, 04:10 PM #12
Re: Magico M2 vs M3
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June 19, 2019, 11:40 PM #13
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December 5, 2020, 10:27 AM #14
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Re: Magico M2 vs M3
Hello,
I'm considering a pair of M2.
I own a Naim 500DR series system.
After seeing the impedance curve of the Magico M2, I believe the NAP 500 DR won't be sufficient and won't be able to drive those speakers properly.
Has anyone tried driving those speakers with such a system?
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December 5, 2020, 04:51 PM #15
Re: Magico M2 vs M3
I am using a Naim 500 system on my M2s - and no problem at all. Sounds great at any volume.
You won't have any problems.
I did use a NAP 250 for a while and it definitely gave out at high volumes. But worked great at normal loud volumes. Yes - I tend to play loud!Jock
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Re: Magico M2 vs M3
The reason I'm asking about how well the NAP 500 DR is able to drive those speakers refers to a recent HiFi Critic review.
Unfortunately, I can't post the URL, but the review is the first link if you google for "HifiCritic magico m2"
The Test Results on page 12 seem to suggest that the NAP 500 DR struggles to drive the M2s at louder volumes.
And graphs presented show that the Magico M2 has a really bumpy impedance curve, which tend to confirm they need a lot of current at certain frequencies
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December 5, 2020, 09:11 PM #17
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December 5, 2020, 09:27 PM #18
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How does one replace tweeters if you blow one on a M2/3/6/9 ?
It has been mentioned on other forum that you must send back to Magico, which must be incorrect surely?Source: Technics SP10mk3 - Thales Simplicity II, TW Raven AC-3 - Graham Phantom, SME 3012-R, Exclusive P3,,Linn LP12 - Naim ARO
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December 6, 2020, 06:44 AM #19
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Re: Magico M2 vs M3
I had drivers replaced locally in S3, but as far as I know M's have to go back to the factory.
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Re: Magico M2 vs M3
When he says "...we remain some distance from the creation of a fully convincing sense of reality generated by a sound reproducing system" I disagree with him. Last night I was thoroughly immersed in a convincing sense of reality.
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Re: Magico M2 vs M3
Here the commets I was referring to:
« Test results
See table and graphs (multiple responses, energy decay, impedance)
Sensitivity is moderate, about average at 87.3dB per 8 ohm watt, the usual test input, a
little shy of the 88dB specification, although this is a low impedance, four ohm rated design which momentarily grazes the 2.5ohm resistive minimum on the impedance measurement graph, and also hovers at around 4 ohms were the reactive component of phase angle is some 60 degrees, considered to be similarly taxing. The overall rated load would be quoted closer to 3 ohms if we were to be pedantic.
Decently rated, powerful, load-capable amplifiers of top quality are to be preferred if you are going to hear just what these remarkable transducers are capable of, and neither should one neglect the importance of the loudspeaker cables: suitable sound quality options for both amplifier and loudspeaker cable will benefit from careful exploration. The Naim NAP 500DR was excellent on quality grounds but was not quite powerful enough in my room for the M2, though ironically it will drive the similarly sensitive, but higher maximum output Magico S5II well enough in this space.
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December 6, 2020, 07:50 AM #22
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Maybe the reviewer has a very large listening room and listens at extremely high volume levels. What is the size of your listening room and volume preference? This could be a limitation of the M2’s more than the Naim 500. I seem to remember Mike commenting that the M3’s filled a large room with sound more effectively than the M2’s. Of course we’re talking in extremes here.
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December 6, 2020, 07:59 AM #23
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Re: Magico M2 vs M3
It is easy to get drivers out of S speakers, just undo six fasteners and pull off the crimp terminal. It's not even soldered. A 2 minute job. Not so with M. The whole face plate needs to be removed to get access to the drivers. But I can't think of a reason why it can't be done locally if need be.
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Re: Magico M2 vs M3
I have heard each at Axpona, Dealer Stores, and friends homes. Every time I’ve come away with the conclusion that I prefer the M3. I currently have S3’s, and the M2’s would be a better size for my listening space, however I just connect with the M3’s.
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December 9, 2020, 09:40 AM #28
Re: Magico M2 vs M3
I spent a day with an owner and his dealer replacing a blown tweeter. It was not for the faint of heart. Moving the front baffle out far enough to have room to install the new tweeter was time consuming and perhaps the most difficult challenge of the job. Then one must make sure the isodamp gasket is properly placed before drawing the baffle back to the main cabinet and tightening the tension rods.
I am also aware of a dealer not making this repair properly. After the repair, I heard the speakers and noticed an issue. Upon inspection, that Isodamp gasket had not been installed properly. There was air pressure being released during play out from one of the front seams of the cabinet. The owner and/or Magico decided to send it back to the factory for a full inspection and proper repair.
I agree that it is not as easy as it would appear, but it can be done in the field by a qualified dealer.Link to my system thread: https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threa...l-sound.32867/
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