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June 8, 2019, 10:59 PM #1
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Amplification for YG Acoustics Carmel 2
Hi all,
Wondering what sort of amplification YG Carmel 2 speakers works well with? Really like the qualities but are reflective of upstream gear and shows poor recordings threadbare.
I heard them with Mark Levinson 585 integrated at the dealers’. I would still like to still utilise my VAC Signature line-stage but will consider integrated amps.
I have a few solid state options in mind to replace the Bryston 4B3:
1) Boulder 1160/1161
2) Nagra Classic amp / integrated
3) Soulution 330 integrated
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkTurntable: VPI Prime - Ortofon Quintet S Black - VPI ADS
Digital Source: dCS Bartok w/headphone amp
Preamp: Soulution 520
Amplifier: Soulution 511
Speakers: Rockport Atria II
Power conditioning- Shunyata Research Denali 6000T v1
Power cord: AQ Thunder/Transparent Audio XL Gen 6
Interconnect: Transparent Audio Super Gen 5 XLR and tonearm cable / Transparent Audio Gen 6
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June 8, 2019, 11:09 PM #2
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Luxman M900u would be terrific I bet.
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June 8, 2019, 11:19 PM #3
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Good question, but I hope any decent amp is the answer. Those are the first YG speakers that interest me.
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Three 20 amp circuits.
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June 8, 2019, 11:24 PM #4
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Re: Amplification for YG Acoustics Carmel 2
Turntable: VPI Prime - Ortofon Quintet S Black - VPI ADS
Digital Source: dCS Bartok w/headphone amp
Preamp: Soulution 520
Amplifier: Soulution 511
Speakers: Rockport Atria II
Power conditioning- Shunyata Research Denali 6000T v1
Power cord: AQ Thunder/Transparent Audio XL Gen 6
Interconnect: Transparent Audio Super Gen 5 XLR and tonearm cable / Transparent Audio Gen 6
Rack: Critical Mass Sotto Voce/ Critical Mass Black Platinum/MXR spike
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June 9, 2019, 12:29 AM #5
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Amp options for YG Carmels? Here's some to think about.
1. A good friend of mine has them paired with a Vitus integrated amplifier, the SIA-025. Its a great combo.
2. You may want to message 4Music, a member on this site. He has his YG's paired with Nagra Classic Pre & Nagra Classic Amp.
3. As you are using a VAC pre have you considered a VAC power amp?
4. Looking at integrated? In addition to Vitus, I'd also consider the Dan D'Agostino Momentum integrated.Borresen Acoustics Loudspeakers, Borresen Model 01 Compact monitor loudspeakers with Ansuz Darkz T2s Supreme resonance control, Audio Video Manufaktur GmbH (AVM) Inspiration amplifier & streamer, Innuos Zen MKII music server, Ansuz Acoustics cables & accessories. Please visit my system thread hosted on Audioshark for more details. Disclosure: The author is materially connected to Ansuz, Aavik & Borresen Acoustics via friendship with an owner.
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June 9, 2019, 12:36 AM #6
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Re: Amplification for YG Acoustics Carmel 2
Based on JA's review. which was the only one of any substance, I would be looking at something like the Octave V-110SE for an integrated or a similar powered tube amp if you want to keep the VAC preamp.
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June 9, 2019, 12:43 AM #7
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Re: Amplification for YG Acoustics Carmel 2
Turntable: VPI Prime - Ortofon Quintet S Black - VPI ADS
Digital Source: dCS Bartok w/headphone amp
Preamp: Soulution 520
Amplifier: Soulution 511
Speakers: Rockport Atria II
Power conditioning- Shunyata Research Denali 6000T v1
Power cord: AQ Thunder/Transparent Audio XL Gen 6
Interconnect: Transparent Audio Super Gen 5 XLR and tonearm cable / Transparent Audio Gen 6
Rack: Critical Mass Sotto Voce/ Critical Mass Black Platinum/MXR spike
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June 9, 2019, 12:55 AM #8
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One of my friend really loves his Manley mono’s with his YG.
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June 9, 2019, 01:27 AM #9
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Re: Amplification for YG Acoustics Carmel 2
Jack,
That is the quandary I am in- Love the VAC and like to keep it as like the tube pre/SS setup. The great bit about the VAC is the low recommended impedance of 300ohms that will make it easier on choosing a solid state amp but getting the correct synergy going.
The Carmels seems to come to life at mid to higher volumes being relatively sensitivity speakers. I am not suggesting that they don’t do lower volume too well but these need plenty of current, again I could be wrong.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkTurntable: VPI Prime - Ortofon Quintet S Black - VPI ADS
Digital Source: dCS Bartok w/headphone amp
Preamp: Soulution 520
Amplifier: Soulution 511
Speakers: Rockport Atria II
Power conditioning- Shunyata Research Denali 6000T v1
Power cord: AQ Thunder/Transparent Audio XL Gen 6
Interconnect: Transparent Audio Super Gen 5 XLR and tonearm cable / Transparent Audio Gen 6
Rack: Critical Mass Sotto Voce/ Critical Mass Black Platinum/MXR spike
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June 9, 2019, 01:41 AM #10
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Re: Amplification for YG Acoustics Carmel 2
If you are sure you are going with the Carmel then I would bring them in and break them in with the combo you have in place then after you have enough hours on them evaluate which direction you need to go. An alternative to going tube amp or SS amp might be a hybrid like the Aesthetix Atlas or the BHK 250. If you decide you want to go integrated then you have the Aesthetix Mimas. I found it odd that JA had to bring out the Primaluna integrated to get them balanced but he did try multiple combo's before resorting to that.
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June 9, 2019, 02:02 AM #11
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Amplification for YG Acoustics Carmel 2
I agree that Carmel 2 needs to be played at higher volume to shine. I am pairing with Diablo 300 now.
My Carmel2 still under 100 hours. There is significant improvement compared to what I heard when it was delivered 3 weeks ago. Would report back after 300-400 hours.
Having said that, I like what I heard when it paired with Vitus RI-101 with lumin as source in show room.
One of my friend recommended pairing with nagra.
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June 9, 2019, 02:09 AM #12
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Another thread on Carmel 2
YG Acoustics Carmel 2
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June 9, 2019, 07:14 AM #13
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Fantastic speakers!
But they need plenty of juice.
I heard them with MBL electronics, and that was a great combination.Vivid Audio - Burmester - Hegel - Marantz - Oppo - Pioneer 60" - Wireworld
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June 9, 2019, 07:24 AM #14
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YG Acoustics is one of my favorite brands of speakers and I’ve listened to them a lot. I would second Luxman, Nagra and Audionet.
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June 9, 2019, 08:46 AM #15
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Re: Amplification for YG Acoustics Carmel 2
Carmel 2 owner here. YG speakers aren’t voiced so, as you stated they a microscope into your upstream gear.
This can have its pros and cons. But, the pros far outweigh the cons. When you change out amps or front end gear you can hear it for Better or worse.
I don’t have any experience with tube gear w/ YG as I’m my preference is towards solid state. Here are some of the brands with notes beside them that I’ve personally heard with Carmel 2.
Pass Labs - Used to own an INT-60 connected to Carmel 2s; Amazing amp but, the speakers didn’t really come alive. A warm but pleasing sound ; I would imagine the larger Pass Class A monoblocks would be special here.
Audionet ( Heard at dealers and shows) - This combo is popular in the US because one of the largest YG dealers is also the US Distributor of Audionet electronics.
Very clean, fast, precise , neutral
Spectral - Similar to Audionet but, taken to the next level in terms of resolution ; low distortion and speed. Synergy with MIT Cables is special.
Many consider Audionet and Spectral dry and analytical but, not me. One man’s warmth is another man’s distortion.
My personal subjective ranking with YG - Spectral, Audionet, Pass Labs
Also used AQ cables (Full Loom ) with Pass and then switched to MIT and even used with Pass with MIT cables prior to Spectral.
Other discussions here have praised MIT and Magico pairing but, MIT works great with YG too.
Good Luck.
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June 9, 2019, 09:07 AM #16
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Re: Amplification for YG Acoustics Carmel 2
Turntable: VPI Prime - Ortofon Quintet S Black - VPI ADS
Digital Source: dCS Bartok w/headphone amp
Preamp: Soulution 520
Amplifier: Soulution 511
Speakers: Rockport Atria II
Power conditioning- Shunyata Research Denali 6000T v1
Power cord: AQ Thunder/Transparent Audio XL Gen 6
Interconnect: Transparent Audio Super Gen 5 XLR and tonearm cable / Transparent Audio Gen 6
Rack: Critical Mass Sotto Voce/ Critical Mass Black Platinum/MXR spike
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June 9, 2019, 09:31 AM #17
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Re: Amplification for YG Acoustics Carmel 2
I've heard Carmel 2with Spectral DMA-260S2 Stereo amp and the respective DMC-30SV Pre amp; Full loom of MIT cables.
I've heard the Audionet AMP1V2 Stereo amp ; and their PRE G3 (entry level pre amp) ; Full loom of Kubala Sosna Emotion! cables.
If you are looking for just a stereo amp or integrated I'd consider the Audionet AMP1V2 Stereo amp or the WATT Integrated amp.
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June 9, 2019, 09:36 AM #18
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EXCEPT for the excellent HUMBOLDT amp, I would not be pairing the older/other Audionets with YG. I’ve heard this pairing many times. Dry and sterile meets neutral is not ideal IMO. The humboldt is a great departure from the old Audionet sound and paired really well with YG. I would look for amps cut from the same cloth:
* Constellation
* Gryphon Class A
* Luxman
* D’Agostino S250
* Pass
....etc.
A big ARC/VAC amp could work nicely as well.
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June 9, 2019, 10:00 PM #20
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Re: Amplification for YG Acoustics Carmel 2
Turntable: VPI Prime - Ortofon Quintet S Black - VPI ADS
Digital Source: dCS Bartok w/headphone amp
Preamp: Soulution 520
Amplifier: Soulution 511
Speakers: Rockport Atria II
Power conditioning- Shunyata Research Denali 6000T v1
Power cord: AQ Thunder/Transparent Audio XL Gen 6
Interconnect: Transparent Audio Super Gen 5 XLR and tonearm cable / Transparent Audio Gen 6
Rack: Critical Mass Sotto Voce/ Critical Mass Black Platinum/MXR spike
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June 9, 2019, 10:04 PM #21
Amplification for YG Acoustics Carmel 2
If it sounds like other Soulution, it will be ever so slightly dry, but with some tiny bit of sweetness on top. Wouldn’t actually be a bad combination. Not my favorite, but not bad. I do like Soulution sound. My pick would be Luxman M900u stereo or monos or Constellation.
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June 9, 2019, 10:12 PM #22
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Re: Amplification for YG Acoustics Carmel 2
Turntable: VPI Prime - Ortofon Quintet S Black - VPI ADS
Digital Source: dCS Bartok w/headphone amp
Preamp: Soulution 520
Amplifier: Soulution 511
Speakers: Rockport Atria II
Power conditioning- Shunyata Research Denali 6000T v1
Power cord: AQ Thunder/Transparent Audio XL Gen 6
Interconnect: Transparent Audio Super Gen 5 XLR and tonearm cable / Transparent Audio Gen 6
Rack: Critical Mass Sotto Voce/ Critical Mass Black Platinum/MXR spike
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June 9, 2019, 10:51 PM #23
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Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.
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Re: Amplification for YG Acoustics Carmel 2
A bit off topic, but would like to ask recommendations of upgrading Carmel 2 footers.
Dealer recommended to get Harmonix spike base.
I thinking about change to spike to GAIA II, which add another benefit of lifting up the speakers slightly
Any other recommendations?
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June 10, 2019, 03:46 PM #25
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I heard the Luxman on Hailey 2 at the show this weekend - seemed to pair nicely. In my experience with YG, a slightly warm amp is preferred. I wouldn't go the Soulution, Spectral, CH route at all.
Generally speaking i wouldn't suggest tubes on YG, but on the Carmel it might work.Brinkmann Bardo w/ EMT HSD-006 cart, MSB Reference DAC --> Linear Tube Audio MicroZOTL --> Ampzilla 2000, 2nd Edition --> Fyne Audio F1-12
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Re: Amplification for YG Acoustics Carmel 2
Turntable: VPI Prime - Ortofon Quintet S Black - VPI ADS
Digital Source: dCS Bartok w/headphone amp
Preamp: Soulution 520
Amplifier: Soulution 511
Speakers: Rockport Atria II
Power conditioning- Shunyata Research Denali 6000T v1
Power cord: AQ Thunder/Transparent Audio XL Gen 6
Interconnect: Transparent Audio Super Gen 5 XLR and tonearm cable / Transparent Audio Gen 6
Rack: Critical Mass Sotto Voce/ Critical Mass Black Platinum/MXR spike
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