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Thread: Top brands that have no respect
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June 9, 2019, 04:08 PM #51
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I think some of the online/mail order companies such as Salk and the latest SVS stuff are very underappreciated. I've not personally heard either brand (except for older SVS offerings). But from what I've read recently both Salk and the new SVS speakers are highly respectable.
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June 9, 2019, 04:12 PM #52
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June 9, 2019, 05:19 PM #53
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Great thread, great read.
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June 9, 2019, 05:47 PM #54
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If you do not live near a major metropolitan area you have zero chance of actually seeing and comparing many/most of the brands mentioned here. 30 years ago there were many stores to shop at. Back in Binghamton and Syracuse there were 3-5 stores each.
Now on the Central Coast of California there are zero stores (Best Buy does not count). The closes is Santa Barbara which has one store who rather blows and rarely has anything in stock.
You have to travel to LA or SF to find anything... so 4-5 hours, that can easily change into 6-7 hours because of insane traffic. Therefore thousands of brands mean little if you never can check them out.
The funny thing is there are more manufactures within driving range then B&M dealers (let's see, hmmm, W4S, Quicksilver, Vanderstein, Pass Labs/First Watt, SST, etc.). Add LA, SF, and San Diego and the manufactures out number dealers at least 3-1 or more. It is not a good trend in my view.McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
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June 9, 2019, 06:17 PM #55
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You have a valid point. High end audio is experiencing a slow death. More and more B&M stores are going out of business. There are just way way too many brands exist in compare to B&M stores. Today's generation is not really interested in high end audio, even if they are they just don't have money to spend on expensive gears.
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June 9, 2019, 07:29 PM #56
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My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
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June 9, 2019, 08:54 PM #57
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Bel Canto Design falls under the radar far too often. People think of them for their half-width products which have been around for a long time. Good pieces. But their upscale Black or Black EX series plays in the big leagues.
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June 9, 2019, 09:59 PM #58
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It also depends on where your priorities are. It may not all be that black and white. The decades old German brand Octave for example seems well known in Europe but only more recently aspired to get a foothold in the US, and has gotten some good press here lately. Schiit on the other hand seems much bigger in the US than in Europe.
I do have an Octave HP 700 preamp and an Octave RE 320 power amp myself, courtesy of Goodwin's High End in the Boston area (I got lucky that we still have dealers in the area where you can get gear from for auditioning). Couldn't be happier with my amplification.Simaudio Moon Neo 260 DT CD Transport / MIT SL-Matrix Plus AES/EBU digital cable / Schiit Yggdrasil Analog 2 DAC / Octave HP 700 preamp / Octave RE 320 stereo amp with Super Black Box / Reference 3A Reflector monitors on Sound Anchors Signature Stands / dual JL Audio Fathom 112 v2 subwoofers on ASC SubTraps / ZenWave Audio D4 and SMSG cables / Acoustic treatment: tube traps, Tri-panels, window plugs, ceiling diffusers (all ASC), large absorbing panels (Acoustics First), diverse carpets chosen for acoustic properties: wool, polypropylene basket-weave
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June 9, 2019, 11:34 PM #59
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Re: Top brands that have no respect
My list of brands that you don't hear much about lately or never got much press IMHO (most have been mentioned):
Accustic Arts
ATI
BAT
Coda
Convergent Audio Technology
Duntech Speakers
FM Acoustics
Jeff Rowland
Kharma Speakers
Marten Speakers
Reference 3A Speakers
Shindo
Triangle Speakers
Unison Research
Vincent Audio
Two brands that died but might make a big comeback: Classe & Halcro
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June 9, 2019, 11:35 PM #60
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June 10, 2019, 02:54 AM #61
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Re: Top brands that have no respect
Of course. And Octave are a European brand, so it makes sense they are larger in Europe. My point was, just because something has less 'respect' (per the title of the thread) in certain places, this doesn't mean it doesn't elsewhere. And non-global marketing and brand reputation is not necessarily a sign of failure, but may be more a sign of natural priorities.
Simaudio Moon Neo 260 DT CD Transport / MIT SL-Matrix Plus AES/EBU digital cable / Schiit Yggdrasil Analog 2 DAC / Octave HP 700 preamp / Octave RE 320 stereo amp with Super Black Box / Reference 3A Reflector monitors on Sound Anchors Signature Stands / dual JL Audio Fathom 112 v2 subwoofers on ASC SubTraps / ZenWave Audio D4 and SMSG cables / Acoustic treatment: tube traps, Tri-panels, window plugs, ceiling diffusers (all ASC), large absorbing panels (Acoustics First), diverse carpets chosen for acoustic properties: wool, polypropylene basket-weave
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June 10, 2019, 11:57 AM #62
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Re: Top brands that have no respect
Why aren't we seeing more Vitus? Are Class A amps out of vogue?
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June 10, 2019, 11:58 AM #63
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Re: Top brands that have no respect
And why are we seeing so few Avantgarde, as their performance is awesome?
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June 10, 2019, 12:13 PM #64
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Another thing that I have been thinking is with how unbelievably expensive many of these pieces have become; people are afraid to try an un-known brand which I believe is making it even harder for brands to penetrate other markets.
I hear people say that all they need to do is more marketing. I do not believe this statement makes sense for smaller companies. Marketing is extremely expensive, especially for smaller companies. Renting a room at Audio Shows is quite expensive, then adding banners or advertising in various places around the show is very expensive, completely beyond the reach of anything but the largest companies.
Realizing benefits from marketing is also something that is very hard to judge and it all cuts into the bottom line. Smaller lesser known companies many times cannot afford these added expenses. Even though they may build the best of the best they are an unknown in a sea of thousand of brands... Without dedicated dealers to bring customers to these products how are they supposed to build a name and reputation.
With B&M stores becoming fewer and farther between what is a smaller company to do? What is a customer supposed to do when there are no dealers within reach for them to even look at different brands... Seems very much like a catch-22 to me. Again, it makes me think, why are there so darn many manufactures ....McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
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June 10, 2019, 01:10 PM #65
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Jim
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June 10, 2019, 01:53 PM #66
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1]bel canto EIX/ F5 monoblocks . BC cd2, tannoy eaton legacy 2]bel canto pre 5 ,arcam a85 , black ice modded dac
modded dac , marantz sa8005, Verity audio Rienzi
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June 10, 2019, 04:54 PM #67
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Great post. As for auditioning prior to purchase or not, there is no chance in hell that I would have bought blind something as expensive as my Octave amplification. Fortunately I have a dealer just 45 min from home.
I only take a risk if either the component is not so expensive (my Yggdrasil DAC) or, in the case of my expensive speakers, I had already ample experience with the lower model. And in both cases, I had return options.
In the absence of B&M dealers, a brand that does not have a return policy has no chance, not with me and probably not with many others.Simaudio Moon Neo 260 DT CD Transport / MIT SL-Matrix Plus AES/EBU digital cable / Schiit Yggdrasil Analog 2 DAC / Octave HP 700 preamp / Octave RE 320 stereo amp with Super Black Box / Reference 3A Reflector monitors on Sound Anchors Signature Stands / dual JL Audio Fathom 112 v2 subwoofers on ASC SubTraps / ZenWave Audio D4 and SMSG cables / Acoustic treatment: tube traps, Tri-panels, window plugs, ceiling diffusers (all ASC), large absorbing panels (Acoustics First), diverse carpets chosen for acoustic properties: wool, polypropylene basket-weave
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June 10, 2019, 08:30 PM #68
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Class A amps are not out of vogue. Pass labs, Ayre, Boulder, Gryphon all make class A amps. Vitus has limited dealer network in USA. It's about spreading the words out. Few years ago, Gryphon made a comeback to US market and it has gained good momentum. Slowly and steady their dealer network is growing. Great product
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June 10, 2019, 10:06 PM #69
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I can chime in with some direct experience on these three points: many manufacturers, pricing, and marketing/distribution.
It's relatively easy to design and build a new product in your spare time. Somewhat more difficult and moderately expensive to do it "right" (e.g. robust design, manufacturing, safety, etc.). It's at least an order of magnitude more difficult and expensive to run a full-fledged OEM business with everything it involves because you can't really do it by yourself anymore.
As a result, the easiest way to make the entire effort worth it is to charge a whole lot more than what it costs to actually manufacture a product. Even discounting the time and money put into designing it in the first place. At a high price point you don't need to sell very many, it makes it possible to start working with dealers who want to get a large return on their investment for a relatively unknown product, and you will need lots of profit to reinvest in growth.
If you don't set your pricing very high, your product can easily end up being perceived as lower quality and you need to move a lot more product to generate revenue (which is already going to be hard being new and unknown in a crowded field of existing products) and there's less incentive for a dealer to add your product line.
The other option is to create really inexpensive products which still have high markup but something unique, to appeal to the larger budget crowd. But in that case you're not designing products with the best quality in mind, but rather with the business in mind first.Neko Audio
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June 11, 2019, 04:35 AM #70
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Or you do it like Schiit. Their Yggdrasil DAC is probably at the upper end of what their usual crowd can afford, thus not perceived as too cheap by them, even though in audiophile terms it is quite cheap: $ 2,400. It is extremely high quality, while using a cost effective chassis, and can compete with, for example, dCS (I've heard it numerous times directly against a Vivaldi DAC). Most of the regular 'high end' audiophile crowd would probably overlook it because of its price.
They are factory direct, and dependent on high sales, which they have. Mike Moffat, their designer of Theta Digital fame, once explained (when the DAC was still 100 dollars cheaper, at $ 2,300): if they would go over dealers, the DAC would cost double, at $ 4,600. But he says if you double the cost, you quarter the sales. Which means you cannot buy parts in bulk anymore, and the $ 2,300 DAC would become a $ 6,000 DAC.
My Octave preamp though is distributed over dealers and hand made on order. I have no problem with that either, and was willing to pay the hefty $ 15K price tag. The quality is more than worth it. The result though is a curious situation where a $ 2.4 K DAC drives in my system a preamp of more than six times the price. Makes sonically total sense, and better than a $ 15K DAC driving a $ 2.4K preamp . To get the max out of the DAC's incredible performance I use an MIT AES/EBU cable from my CD transport that is almost as expensive as the DAC, and more expensive than the CD transport that feeds it.Simaudio Moon Neo 260 DT CD Transport / MIT SL-Matrix Plus AES/EBU digital cable / Schiit Yggdrasil Analog 2 DAC / Octave HP 700 preamp / Octave RE 320 stereo amp with Super Black Box / Reference 3A Reflector monitors on Sound Anchors Signature Stands / dual JL Audio Fathom 112 v2 subwoofers on ASC SubTraps / ZenWave Audio D4 and SMSG cables / Acoustic treatment: tube traps, Tri-panels, window plugs, ceiling diffusers (all ASC), large absorbing panels (Acoustics First), diverse carpets chosen for acoustic properties: wool, polypropylene basket-weave
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June 11, 2019, 12:40 PM #71
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Neko Audio
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June 11, 2019, 02:35 PM #72
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June 11, 2019, 02:38 PM #73
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My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
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June 11, 2019, 02:56 PM #74
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June 11, 2019, 03:00 PM #75
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My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.
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June 11, 2019, 03:57 PM #76
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Simaudio Moon Neo 260 DT CD Transport / MIT SL-Matrix Plus AES/EBU digital cable / Schiit Yggdrasil Analog 2 DAC / Octave HP 700 preamp / Octave RE 320 stereo amp with Super Black Box / Reference 3A Reflector monitors on Sound Anchors Signature Stands / dual JL Audio Fathom 112 v2 subwoofers on ASC SubTraps / ZenWave Audio D4 and SMSG cables / Acoustic treatment: tube traps, Tri-panels, window plugs, ceiling diffusers (all ASC), large absorbing panels (Acoustics First), diverse carpets chosen for acoustic properties: wool, polypropylene basket-weave
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June 11, 2019, 05:52 PM #77
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Popular and for sale everywhere in Belgium:
B&W, Focal, KEF, Monitor Audio, Elac for speakers.
Naim, Accuphase, Hegel for electronics
On demo - selected places:
Wilson Audio, MBL, Burmester, Verity Audio, YG, Magico, Avantgarde Acoustic, Vimberg/Tidal, Boenicke, Martin Logan, Luxman, Esoteric, MBL, Merging NADAC, Kii, McIntosh, Estelon, Linn, Lyravox, Mola Mola, Vivid Audio, PMC, Ayre, TAD, Sonus Faber, Dali, Gryphon, JBL, Mark Levinson, Piega, T+A, Auralic, Amphion, Analog Domain, ...
I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot of them...Vivid Audio - Burmester - Hegel - Marantz - Oppo - Pioneer 60" - Wireworld
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June 11, 2019, 07:31 PM #78
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Anyone know how large the high end audio business is in yearly turnover? Just curious.
Tom
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Nottingham Dais with Sumiko Palo Santos Presentation
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McIntosh MAC 4300v
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June 11, 2019, 07:47 PM #79
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GUESSING $10-15 BILLION including heapdhones. Excluding headphones, maybe $2 billion.
Keep in mind home theater and custom installation is huge too. So the number could be much higher.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkMy Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.
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June 11, 2019, 09:16 PM #80
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Bud
Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD
Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR for source, Denali 2000 (2) for amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson four shelf maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits.
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June 11, 2019, 09:46 PM #81
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June 11, 2019, 09:59 PM #82
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This article quotes an industry research report that places headphones at $9B in 2018, for all types of headphones. Considering the market share of headphone brands and ODMs, I suspect that may be quite accurate.
This article quotes a different research report assigning ~$2.5B in 2016 for all home audio. But I suspect that report excludes the boutique brands which many of us are talking about here.
Custom install is pretty much how all the traditional brick and mortar stores still near me are staying in business, except for a tiny number in very high traffic areas like San Francisco.Neko Audio
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June 11, 2019, 10:02 PM #83
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My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.
https://suncoastaudio.com/
Phone: 941-932-0282
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June 11, 2019, 10:07 PM #84
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June 11, 2019, 10:11 PM #85
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Bud
Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD
Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR for source, Denali 2000 (2) for amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson four shelf maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits.
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June 11, 2019, 10:13 PM #86
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June 11, 2019, 10:19 PM #87
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Exactly. The numbers are mixing two entirely different markets. Consumer throw away junk versus a stereo, and by stereo I am including any home stereo with speakers.
Bud
Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD
Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR for source, Denali 2000 (2) for amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson four shelf maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits.
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June 12, 2019, 12:23 PM #88
Re: Top brands that have no respect
Most are not buying 200- $1000 headphones but the people are buying lots of headphones, they are not for audio ya know. The gaming market is huge on headphones. It also proves that the young are not buying hi-end audio but they are buying gaming equipment,
The video games market is expected to be worth over 90 billion U.S. dollars by 2020, from nearly 78.61 billion in 20172chl : Vincent Sp331MkII, W4S STP-SE Stage 2, Kef 201/2, KEF 140, Vapor Breeze, Lumin, Bryston CD, BHA-1, Quicksilver Headamp, HD650, HD800s, HD820's, Dan Clark 1.1, Focal Stellia, OPPO 203, 105. ( Boxed up: Pass Xa-30.5, VPI Classic, Dynavector DV-20XL, Manley Chinook, Cadenza Bronze)
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June 17, 2019, 12:07 PM #89
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I'm surprised no one mentioned Herron Audio. I've had various iterations of their phono and line stages in my main system for decades. I have not found anything better for the money. Yes, there are better components for substantially more but I would rather put most of my money in good speakers. Also great service and support directly from the designer with occasional, reasonably priced upgrades.
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June 23, 2019, 11:30 PM #90
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Over here in Asia there are many brands that are wildly popular that get very little coverage in the US: i wish the Us magazines would occasionally have something on their cover that wasn't Magico or Wilson or Audio Research!
1. Goldmund, FM Acoustics, Kharma, Marten, Tidal, MBL, CH Precision, Tannoy, Audio Note UK, Kondo, Dartzeel, Vivid. Of course the usual suspects are also popular, the Magicos, Wilsons, Audio Research, Sonus Faber, Mcintosh.
The problem people have in buying into brands is what happens when you come to sell it. It is almost nigh upon impossible to sell something here if it is not seen as mainstream and that goes for cars too. I'm just glad that almost every brand is available here within 30 mins by subway. The only issue is that due to the small size of venues here, they often don't have the entire line-up for demo and often the top of the range is only available for order so you have to buy blind.
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June 24, 2019, 05:13 AM #91
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Linn Audio loudspeakers
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June 24, 2019, 09:34 PM #92
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Sugden
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July 4, 2019, 01:46 PM #93
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Sugden in Uk probably is one of THE most respected brands ever , it has a huge amount of love. I had a sugden a21se here recently and although only 40 watts , it was pure class A and totally the reverse of what i was expecting .
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July 4, 2019, 10:19 PM #94
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Yamaha
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July 5, 2019, 08:48 AM #95
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2chl : Vincent Sp331MkII, W4S STP-SE Stage 2, Kef 201/2, KEF 140, Vapor Breeze, Lumin, Bryston CD, BHA-1, Quicksilver Headamp, HD650, HD800s, HD820's, Dan Clark 1.1, Focal Stellia, OPPO 203, 105. ( Boxed up: Pass Xa-30.5, VPI Classic, Dynavector DV-20XL, Manley Chinook, Cadenza Bronze)
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July 6, 2019, 05:36 PM #96
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Octave
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EMM labs.Pre amp: Ocatve Phono Module Power amps: Octave MRE130 Turntable: SAC Girati Grande. Tonearm: Dynavector 507mkII Cartridge: Dynavector Ikeda 9TT Streamer: Aurender A10 Power Distributor: Anzus Mains D8 Speakers: Raidho X-3 Speaker Cables: AudioQuest Rocket 88 XLR Interlink: Ansuz A2, [B]XLR Interlink: [B]Phono interlink: Cammino Serie 1.0 - PH 1.0s Power cables: Anzus Mains Ceramic, two Pom, Aluminium, X series Audio Rack: Rack of Silence 4 and 2.
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July 6, 2019, 06:02 PM #97
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In another week or so every manufacturer will have appeared in this thread. Apparently there is no respect for any of them.
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July 6, 2019, 07:24 PM #98Dan
STUDIO - McIntosh C1000C/P, MC2301 (2), MR88, Aurender N10, Esoteric K-01X, Shunyata Sigma spdif digital coax, Sonos Connect, Stillpoints Ultra SS & Ultra Mini, PurePower 2000, Furutech Flux 50, Michell Gyro SE, Michell HR Power Supply, SME 309, Ortofon Cadenza Black, Sonus faber Amati Anniversario
LIVING ROOM - McIntosh C2300, MC75 (2), MR85, Magnum Dynalab 205 Signal Sleuth, Sonos Connect, Simaudio MOON Neo 260D-T, Schiit Audio Yggdrasil, Aurender N100H, Shunyata Sigma USB cable, Sony DAT 60ES, Nakamichi BX-300, Micro Seiki DD40 w/m505A tonearm, Ortofon Cadenza Blue, PS Audio P10, Furutech Flux 50, Stillpoints Ultra Mini, PMC EB1i, JL Audio f113
VINTAGE - McIntosh 4300V, McIntosh MA230, Tandberg 3011A tuner, Olive 04HD, JBL 4312A
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July 6, 2019, 11:29 PM #99
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Aurender ACS10 w/Audioquest Diamond USB, Esoteric N05xd
Mark Levinson #526, 534 & JBL 4367's
Clearaudio Performance DC w/Maestro cart
Clarus Concerto & their Crimson cables
HT: Marantz AV8003, Linn 5125, JBL SAM3ha, Revel s30,
SVS PC13 Ultra
Transparent, Analysis Plus & Tributaries. PS Audio filtering
Sony XBR-75X940D & BDP
Parasound P6, MBL 8006b, Artisan speakers/subwoofer
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July 7, 2019, 12:13 AM #100
Re: Top brands that have no respect
Next thing you know someone is going to say McIntosh... that is when I know for sure that this thread went completely off the rails.
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