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    Munich 2019 - Top Rooms/Commentary

    Munich is unlike no other Hi-Fi Show, except maybe the Polish show run my our friend Adam (Elberoth). But even his show doesn’t quite reach the magnitude of Munich High End.

    Visiting this fine city and attending this incredible show is something that should be on the bucket list of every respected audiophile. Rather than read what some ill informed knuckleheads on other forums spout, I encourage you to attend not only the excellent American audio shows, but at least once in your life, go to Munich and attend High End.

    What makes Munich special are so many things. First, it’s a great, clean, historical city. Second, the MOC is large enough to hold any and all manufacturers, big or small. There are three entire floors spread across 3 buildings, with multiple hallways in each with rooms that are by my estimation at least 20 x 30, maybe 25 x 35 and many which are a lot larger. Third, you will have the opportunity to listen to the best of the best from so many brands setup by the manufacturers themselves. They go all out. This is THEIR show. Rather than just read about brands, you will experience brands. There are those that poo-poo show environments and instead would rather read the opinions of others. I would argue that shows give you the opportunity to hear so many brands without much memory loss. The audio memory is a fickle thing.

    Now, without further delay, here are my best rooms:

    Top 10:

    MBL 101 XTreme
    - what more can be said that hasn’t already? HiFi Systems are a window looking into life. Live music is life. MBL gets you as close to this live music which is life.

    Magico M2/Soulution/Kronos
    - from the first setup day (Tuesday), this room consistently sounded outstanding. By far a much better pairing/combination.

    Magico M6/Soulution
    - once again, a magnificent room. Very musical and dynamic and really showed what these speakers can do with good fast power.

    MSB/Magico M6
    - despite early difficulties with hotel power (there wasn’t any in this room), the team got this room dialed in quickly and hearing these amps for the first time was an incredible experience. The SN floor is so low that music just floats and appears from nowhere. This creates such a 3D soundstage. Aside from that, the amps have no coloration or flaws. Only dynamics and natural music flows.

    Alsyvox
    - the relatively new kid on the block pulled no punches bringing their best to Hi-Fi Deluxe (the other show). If you want the Symphony in your room, few others can provide it like the Alysvox’s top System or the MBL 101 xtremes.

    Lansche - when arguably one of the best tweeters in the business is combined with big drivers in a big cabinet, you get an amazing speaker that can fill even the big rooms in Munich.

    LyraVox - this active speaker never failed to impress. Offering a big 3D sound that made everyone stop and think twice about the possibilities of active speakers.

    VAC/Von Schweikert/Artesania/Acoustic Signature - the big VS Ultra 9’a provided the 3D and the VAC provided the organic richness and musicality. What more can you say? It was the best I heard this combo.

    Gryphon - the Trident II/Mephisto Monos and Ethos CD player, in a canned 3 song demo was very impressive. Delivering the punch and dynamics you would expect from such a power house combo.

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    Magico M2/Constellation
    DynAudio/Audionet
    Wilson/Spectral/MIT
    Marten/CH
    Stein Music
    Vimberg/Lumin
    Kawero/Audio Note Kagrua’s


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    Thanks for another great show experience, Mike.

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    Great list Mike. Finally you have discovered the Lansche Ion Tweeters as well, good to hear. They are really fantastic.

    Which model did you hear?


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    Re: Munich 2019 - Top Rooms/Commentary

    Mike,
    Many thanks for an excellent summary. You have inspired me to go to this show -- I am definitely going in 2020.
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    Munich 2019 - Top Rooms/Commentary

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuoppis View Post
    Great list Mike. Finally you have discovered the Lansche Ion Tweeters as well, good to hear. They are really fantastic.

    Which model did you hear?


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    No. 7.2 I believe. I heard Lansche many times, but never this good and not this model. Seems like they just keeping chipping away at perfecting the Plasma tweeter.


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    Re: Munich 2019 - Top Rooms/Commentary

    Mike,

    I just want to express my appreciation for your tireless efforts taking photos and videos as well as providing analysis about the various systems. I listened to all of your videos multiple times and the systems that impressed me the most were MSB and Alsyvox.

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    Re: Munich 2019 - Top Rooms/Commentary

    Thanks for the great coverage Mike. We certainly appreciate it. Loved the videos!

    When looking at the rooms in Munich, it is safe to say that they allow for more optimal setups than many of the American shows (small hotel rooms). I’m sure that is contributing significantly to the great sound.
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    Thanks again Mike, I will probably look at all the pics.
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    Re: Munich 2019 - Top Rooms/Commentary

    Thank you again Mike , you simply do an outstanding job in your report , photo and videos from Munich
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    Mike,

    I just want to express my appreciation for your tireless efforts taking photos and videos as well as providing analysis about the various systems. I listened to all of your videos multiple times and the systems that impressed me the most were MSB and Alsyvox.

    Ken
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDPDK View Post
    Thank you again Mike , you simply do an outstanding job in your report , photo and videos from Munich
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al M. View Post
    I am constantly puzzled by how someone could judge a system from the sound of a video.
    It’s certainly not an ultimate way to decide, but you can (I know I can) get a sense of the openness, air, general tone and clarity of the system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al M. View Post
    I am constantly puzzled by how someone could judge a system from the sound of a video.
    Hi Al,

    I am not judging which system is “best” based on listening to videos. I stated that I liked what I heard on the videos for MSB and Alsyvox. It’s been my experience that good sounding videos usually translate into good sound in person, while bad sounding videos can either translate into bad or good sound in person. I never purchased a component that I didn’t listen to in person first.

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    Re: Munich 2019 - Top Rooms/Commentary

    Well said Ken!

    There were a couple of systems Mike posted that really got my attention and kind of blew me away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    Hi Al,

    I am not judging which system is “best” based on listening to videos. I stated that I liked what I heard on the videos for MSB and Alsyvox. It’s been my experience that good sounding videos usually translate into good sound in person, while bad sounding videos can either translate into bad or good sound in person. I never purchased a component that I didn’t listen to in person first.

    Ken

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Well said Ken!

    There were a couple of systems Mike posted that really got my attention and kind of blew me away.
    Nothing ever blows me away on a video. My system sounds much better than any video with compressed digital, which they all are -- certainly any YouTube or YouTube quality video.
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    Re: Munich 2019 - Top Rooms/Commentary

    Thanks for your thoughts and perspectives Mike. Listened to the videos you posted - MBL, Alsyvox and LyraVox sounded impressive (some others as well but these three seemed special). But then again, need to be there in person - next year!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritmo View Post
    Thanks for your thoughts and perspectives Mike. Listened to the videos you posted - MBL, Alsyvox and LyraVox sounded impressive (some others as well but these three seemed special). But then again, need to be there in person - next year!
    Hi Mike,

    Based on Mike B.’s commentary and the video, LyraVox was indeed a pleasant surprise.

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    Re: Munich 2019 - Top Rooms/Commentary

    I don't even turn on the sound on my laptop when watching the videos. I just look at the pictures or video.
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    How/where were the Avantgardes?

    If there has been mention anywhere, I've missed it.

    Never mind, I just saw the video - but still no sonics info - links anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by still-one View Post
    I don't even turn on the sound on my laptop when watching the videos. I just look at the pictures or video.
    Then you’ve missed listening to some fine videos, Jim! I thoroughly enjoyed listening to the four videos Mike made from the MSB room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Smith View Post
    How/where were the Avantgardes?

    If there has been mention anywhere, I've missed it.

    Never mind, I just saw the video - but still no sonics info - links anyone?
    They had their own amps on them and every time I went to the room it was PACKED and they were playing electronic music. They had the Duo Mezzo XD’s and Uno Fino XD on display. Of course, I own both these speakers, so I know how amazing they are....with tubes and good music!


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    Mike,

    I may have missed it, but did you get an impression of the new T+A transport/DAC system?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by soastrup View Post
    Mike,

    I may have missed it, but did you get an impression of the new T+A transport/DAC system?

    Thanks

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    Yes, yes. Second time hearing it. Heads if also at Axpona. Got a lengthy demo of it and had a chance to meet with one of the engineers. It’s certainly SOTA. Sound is very clean and transparent. DSD up to 1024. Roon Ethernet built in. Really, a fine digital hub. The question is whether to get it with VC or without.


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    https://www.hifiplus.com/articles/mu...f-two-magicos/


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