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    Re: The Front End Digital Foundation

    Any particular reason you think you need power conditioner on the Keces?
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    Re: The Front End Digital Foundation

    Iíve pondered that and curious to find out, everything done thus far has been some of the cheapest cost items delivering positive results.

    Worst case I can take it back or repurpose it to the living room A/V
    Power Conditioning, Filters & Switch: Nordost QRT Power Product Line, Furutech GTX-D NCF/GTX 105D, 20 AMP Dedicated w/Surge Protection, AQVox SE switch, Keces LPS P3 & P8 w/Nordost AC power and Ghent DC cables for the Gigafoil v4, modem, routers and switches.
    Cables, Isolation, Room Treatment: Nordost Supreme Reference (Odin) Distribution, Reference Line (Valhalla 2) Components and Speakers, HRS M3X Platforms & Damping Plates. Stillpointís Ultra 6/SS and Vicoustic Room Treatments
    Power & Sound: DíAgostino Pre-Amplifier to DíAgostino Momentum Monoís driving Wilson Alexiaís
    Source and Digital: Aurender N10, Brinkmann Nyquist MKII



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    Re: The Front End Digital Foundation

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    Very interesting.

    I try to avoid having my music going through the network completely. I have all of my music on internal SSDs in my server. I go directly out through AQ Coffee USB cable to a W4S Recovery, back out through another Coffee to the DAC. Every component is connect through an AQ Niagara power conditioner and I do have a Linear Power Supply on the Recovery and I also have two PS Audio Noise Harvesters attached to the same power outlet as the Niagara. It all sounds quite to me and friends from the audio club usually comment on how "black" the back ground is in my system.

    Since streaming is essential to me, unless thereís someway to use streaming in an off-line mode from the network, then I have to throw my energies and cleaning up the network.

    Iím going to put an LPSU from small green computer on my modem where the fiber optic comes into a utility room below the house. I then have 100 feet of Cat 7 buried Between the house and my studio where the audio system is.

    It just occurs to me that it might be a good idea to run a dedicated line for the modem in this utility room as itís now sharing the circuit with A water Filtration pump which I figure has got to be noisy.

    And then at the studio/ listening room Iíll put in the Uptone EtherRegen switch when itís ready.
    Source: Roon Nucleus, Cisco 2960 Switch, Gigafoil, Lampizator Pacific Dac. Amp: Luxman 300q power amp, Linear Tube Audio MZ3 pre amp Speakers: AvantGarde Duo Mezzo XD, JL Audio e112 subs. Cables: Alan Maher Designs Power, Duelund Speaker and Interconnects, Audioquest Diamond ethernet. Room Treatment from Vicoustic.

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    Re: The Front End Digital Foundation

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    Streaming is just too easy for me and with recordings making or breaking playback I wanted to be sure to have a very stable playback and operation and IMO Tidal/Quboz make it simple, with being more favorable to me.
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    My experience is also that recording quality is by far the most important factor, regardless of format Or delivery method. But someday, Iím going to take the time to start comparing some of my favorite recordings as streamed or rips and see if thereís a meaningful difference.
    Source: Roon Nucleus, Cisco 2960 Switch, Gigafoil, Lampizator Pacific Dac. Amp: Luxman 300q power amp, Linear Tube Audio MZ3 pre amp Speakers: AvantGarde Duo Mezzo XD, JL Audio e112 subs. Cables: Alan Maher Designs Power, Duelund Speaker and Interconnects, Audioquest Diamond ethernet. Room Treatment from Vicoustic.

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    The Front End Digital Foundation

    Well I received the Audioquest Power 3 today. Very nicely built, heavy gauge directional power cable and a template made the mounting screws a snap.



    I just turned on the system, and have qualified that the Linear Power Supply is affected by what itís fed. First I installed a PS Audio receptacle a few weeks back, and now updated distribution to the Audioquest Power 3.

    I changed out the stranded copper Nordost Red Dawn for the time being and in its place an Audioquest NRG 2 solid core power cable, decision is to stick with synergy.

    After 10 minutes of listening my low end is much lower and the midís a tad faded, but song depending. Iím not paranoid anymore about the Stillpoints UItra SS taking away the midrange.

    I can hear this needs a little break in between the distribution and power cable, Iíll stream the Aurender N10 all night and weekend.

    Eventually I will ask Rex to run a dedicated circuit to the mechanical room and get off the main panel as itís obvious to me paying attention to this part of the digital front end to support streaming is not an option.

    This picture is not the best - its a little cleaner then it looks.



    Stay tuned!





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    Power Conditioning, Filters & Switch: Nordost QRT Power Product Line, Furutech GTX-D NCF/GTX 105D, 20 AMP Dedicated w/Surge Protection, AQVox SE switch, Keces LPS P3 & P8 w/Nordost AC power and Ghent DC cables for the Gigafoil v4, modem, routers and switches.
    Cables, Isolation, Room Treatment: Nordost Supreme Reference (Odin) Distribution, Reference Line (Valhalla 2) Components and Speakers, HRS M3X Platforms & Damping Plates. Stillpointís Ultra 6/SS and Vicoustic Room Treatments
    Power & Sound: DíAgostino Pre-Amplifier to DíAgostino Momentum Monoís driving Wilson Alexiaís
    Source and Digital: Aurender N10, Brinkmann Nyquist MKII



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    Re: The Front End Digital Foundation

    If your streaming, I highly recommend consideration on what I have been mentioning on this Lone Ranger Thread.

    I was no different, the eye candy is addicting. Many of us put the money into the power, speakers, components, cables, isolation, treatment and rightfully so as you get to immediately hear the results.

    If your following what I have done and I hope you have as Iím that passionate about it, I truly believe youíll be amazed if you go down this road.

    Itís day 2 and Iím BLOWN AWAY on what is happening and what Iím hearing inserting the Audioquest distribution and cable, as the next piece to square away the modem and switch, total $399.00.

    Is this feeding cleaner power on a house panel shared circuit to the Keces P8, oh yes. I canít wait until I install a dedicated breaker for this.

    Everything is so much more natural while sounding more alive then it was before. Iíve been building this system over the years, I have always benefited from the attributes of a good system on what it was and is putting out, after all this is a high 6 figure system. But now, itís gone into a different league.

    Inky black, check
    Smoother, check
    Amazing timbre, check
    Upper end resolute and complimenting, check
    No sacrifice to mid range, check
    Tight controlled low end, check

    Despite me still thinking can it get any better? My hunch is Iím going to get more over the next few days as there is only close to 25 hours on the distribution and power cable feeding the Keces, if this follows the route my high dollar cables went down, we are talking another 75 plus hours or progressive sweetness.

    I believe most of our gear purchased as high fi is already heads and shoulders over low and mid fi systems, you just have to work it. While Iím way past any budget originally set out years ago, it does not have to be crazy priced to get the most out of it.

    Paying attention to what feeds what from the beginning cannot be overlooked, if you want more and donít want to spend high 4 and 5 figures.

    How your modem is powered from the wall pays huge dividends, plus everything else in the house is benefiting as well.

    I wonít imagine putting a Nordost QRT system at the modem, but I do wonder.

    More Later, Peace!




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    Power Conditioning, Filters & Switch: Nordost QRT Power Product Line, Furutech GTX-D NCF/GTX 105D, 20 AMP Dedicated w/Surge Protection, AQVox SE switch, Keces LPS P3 & P8 w/Nordost AC power and Ghent DC cables for the Gigafoil v4, modem, routers and switches.
    Cables, Isolation, Room Treatment: Nordost Supreme Reference (Odin) Distribution, Reference Line (Valhalla 2) Components and Speakers, HRS M3X Platforms & Damping Plates. Stillpointís Ultra 6/SS and Vicoustic Room Treatments
    Power & Sound: DíAgostino Pre-Amplifier to DíAgostino Momentum Monoís driving Wilson Alexiaís
    Source and Digital: Aurender N10, Brinkmann Nyquist MKII



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    Ultrafast, this is interesting. I've never given it much thought to try to eliminate noise at the Modem. My efforts have been at the Switch and the DAC. But, I imagine the Att Modem is a very noisy device.

    If I understand correctly, John Swenson, engineer at Uptone Audio, says he does not believe any filtration, cable and linear power supply upgrade will be needed at the Modem or above their network switch ("EtherRegen" still in development). He says their switch will clean up any noise coming into the switch.

    However, nevertheless, I'm going to see what my spare Topaz Iso transformer along with a spare filtering power cord feeding a lpsu might do.
    Source: Roon Nucleus, Cisco 2960 Switch, Gigafoil, Lampizator Pacific Dac. Amp: Luxman 300q power amp, Linear Tube Audio MZ3 pre amp Speakers: AvantGarde Duo Mezzo XD, JL Audio e112 subs. Cables: Alan Maher Designs Power, Duelund Speaker and Interconnects, Audioquest Diamond ethernet. Room Treatment from Vicoustic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willco View Post
    Ultrafast, this is interesting. I've never given it much thought to try to eliminate noise at the Modem. My efforts have been at the Switch and the DAC. But, I imagine the Att Modem is a very noisy device.

    If I understand correctly, John Swenson, engineer at Uptone Audio, says he does not believe any filtration, cable and linear power supply upgrade will be needed at the Modem or above their network switch ("EtherRegen" still in development). He says their switch will clean up any noise coming into the switch.

    However, nevertheless, I'm going to see what my spare Topaz Iso transformer along with a spare filtering power cord feeding a lpsu might do.
    Yes it is interesting, my take is itís all cumulative and the better it is at the start the better it is as it goes through the system.

    Your hardcore grounding efforts is parallel to this


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    Power Conditioning, Filters & Switch: Nordost QRT Power Product Line, Furutech GTX-D NCF/GTX 105D, 20 AMP Dedicated w/Surge Protection, AQVox SE switch, Keces LPS P3 & P8 w/Nordost AC power and Ghent DC cables for the Gigafoil v4, modem, routers and switches.
    Cables, Isolation, Room Treatment: Nordost Supreme Reference (Odin) Distribution, Reference Line (Valhalla 2) Components and Speakers, HRS M3X Platforms & Damping Plates. Stillpointís Ultra 6/SS and Vicoustic Room Treatments
    Power & Sound: DíAgostino Pre-Amplifier to DíAgostino Momentum Monoís driving Wilson Alexiaís
    Source and Digital: Aurender N10, Brinkmann Nyquist MKII



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    The Front End Digital Foundation

    The Lone Ranger comes back with even more...

    On a different thread, it was asked if power cables improve a LPS.

    I was completely sold using a lower offering power cable from AudioQuest out of my new Audioquest distribution into the Keces P8 replacing a Nordost Red Dawn, it was a solid core replacing a stranded to support the modem and switch for streaming.

    So I said to myself thereís an Ansuz C sitting in my Transport I only use for Apple TV and itís was not a cheap cable to do little to nothing, so into the Audioquest Distribution it went and out to the Keces 8 powering the modem and switch it now does.

    The result is staggering, I literally just hit pay dirt in streaming. Iím not sure if you can do better for all the money that is now sitting from the wall to the switch, but most of this stuff was already here.

    Iíll be back here over the weekend to see what else is gained between now and then. Iím sure he Ansuz needs to settle a bit with its new role.









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    Power Conditioning, Filters & Switch: Nordost QRT Power Product Line, Furutech GTX-D NCF/GTX 105D, 20 AMP Dedicated w/Surge Protection, AQVox SE switch, Keces LPS P3 & P8 w/Nordost AC power and Ghent DC cables for the Gigafoil v4, modem, routers and switches.
    Cables, Isolation, Room Treatment: Nordost Supreme Reference (Odin) Distribution, Reference Line (Valhalla 2) Components and Speakers, HRS M3X Platforms & Damping Plates. Stillpointís Ultra 6/SS and Vicoustic Room Treatments
    Power & Sound: DíAgostino Pre-Amplifier to DíAgostino Momentum Monoís driving Wilson Alexiaís
    Source and Digital: Aurender N10, Brinkmann Nyquist MKII



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    Well follow up to the changing power cables to the LPS

    First up was Nordost Red Dawn, it allowed a natural sound, smooth and warm

    Next was the Audioquest NRG, it was a bit more pronounced and revealing, the sound was its own in a good way, and was slightly warm but not as much as the Nordost

    Then the Ansuz, and it was very resolving, lowered the noise floor to ridiculous levels, but it was argued that it was not as natural when I ran the Nordost, followed by the Audioquest when I ran a comparison confirmed with a long time Audio Junkie friend of mine.

    I ended up putting back the Audioquest, the least expensive of the three back on the Keces 8, figuring that it had to still burn in a bit.

    The Ansuz C is a great cable, and I think itís best purposed for the high current of amps, and now I know what Shunyata means by their classes of cables, it has to be.

    Simply said, Ansuz was too much of a good thing.

    In the end, my path of what is mentioned in this post ainít no joke, and is solid for streaming all day long!

    Good luck out there, happy listening




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    Power Conditioning, Filters & Switch: Nordost QRT Power Product Line, Furutech GTX-D NCF/GTX 105D, 20 AMP Dedicated w/Surge Protection, AQVox SE switch, Keces LPS P3 & P8 w/Nordost AC power and Ghent DC cables for the Gigafoil v4, modem, routers and switches.
    Cables, Isolation, Room Treatment: Nordost Supreme Reference (Odin) Distribution, Reference Line (Valhalla 2) Components and Speakers, HRS M3X Platforms & Damping Plates. Stillpointís Ultra 6/SS and Vicoustic Room Treatments
    Power & Sound: DíAgostino Pre-Amplifier to DíAgostino Momentum Monoís driving Wilson Alexiaís
    Source and Digital: Aurender N10, Brinkmann Nyquist MKII



 

 
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