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  1. #11
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    Re: Best server for Lampizator

    I very much appreciate the input of Alrainbow. In fact, that's the answer I am looking for. Some knowhow from someone who have real experience. I, too, hope to get the best SQ from the a reasonable investment. I am still in the multi-box camp. I believe multi-box solution can have less interference. The major problem is the complex cabling and the noise getting into those cables. I have test DC cables, they make big SQ difference. There are some new expensive servers which I am tempted to try though. Getting them is the last resort as it would end my journey of mix and match.


    I find that the power supply and clocking have big SQ impact. I am using LPS 1.2 for my switch and a zerozone LPS for the router and network box. The switch and router, which are ocxo clocked, is from a brand called Apodidae here from Hong Kong. These two gears have improved the SQ no less than adding ultrarendu+ultrarendu. I am using DIY Cardas cables with Oyaide connectors. There are some companies in HK which make some audiophile dc cables which I am going to try soon. Tweaking those network and cabling is my focus in a year.

    For fibre, I am tempted to get opticalRendu or better still the Signature rendu with fibre input. Alrainbow, do you think it won't be better than the ultrarendu? Could you explain more about your claim on fibre?

    For the server, I echo Alrainbow that It may be really better to separate the operation. Actually my sonictransporter ocassionally will suddenly stop playing music, usually when I am doing hqplayer upsampling while the room is doing library scan. Worst still, I need to reboot hqplayer which is troublesome.
    Yesterday I have studied this topic and find that someone has similar issue. And by separating roon and hqplayer, the problem is solved.

    https://community.roonlabs.com/t/son...rendu/41694/24

    Today I am going to try seperating Roon(in my room) and Hqplayer(sonictransporter) to see if it make a difference.

    Finally, I still have the curiosity to know if the multiple box solution can match or exceed those one box solution, like the SGM, memory player, Lampizator SK, Antipodes or Innuos etc. Its difficult to have a direct comparision.
    Source: Apodidae Switch&Router- Synology 918+ -SonicTransporter i7, ultrarendu, iso regen
    DAC and Preamp: Lampizator Golden Gate - KR242/Psvane WE300B + TAK 274B
    Amp: Sanders Magtech
    Speaker: Magnepan 3.7i
    Power: Isol-8 LC SE, Uptone
    Analog Cables: Cerious Technolgoies Matrix
    Digital Cables: Intona Reference USB, Cat-8 Lan with Telegartner.

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    Re: Best server for Lampizator

    I have tried the seperate setup. Roon in my pc in the room with wifi connection(not audio pc, just common desktop, with switching power). Hqplayer in sonictransporter.

    The SQ actually degrades quite a lot. I believe in the multi-pc setup. But the networking, power , cabling and the PC itself are playing very important role in the equation... maybe finally I need to get multiple sonictransporter to do the job done at the end ( I am not technical enough to setup my own audio pc).
    Source: Apodidae Switch&Router- Synology 918+ -SonicTransporter i7, ultrarendu, iso regen
    DAC and Preamp: Lampizator Golden Gate - KR242/Psvane WE300B + TAK 274B
    Amp: Sanders Magtech
    Speaker: Magnepan 3.7i
    Power: Isol-8 LC SE, Uptone
    Analog Cables: Cerious Technolgoies Matrix
    Digital Cables: Intona Reference USB, Cat-8 Lan with Telegartner.

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    Re: Best server for Lampizator

    Reg optical use its not that it's bad in concept after all it's true Galvanic isolation. But for it to work we need software , lps power at both ends and it's bandwidth limitations
    i think keeping things simple wins
    for anyone who uses a rendu or any naa or raat end point keep this in mind
    it has its own software to run and its most always Linux
    I'm not against Linux but it does have its own sound unlike windows
    so it too adds its thinner sound. This maybe needed in some systems too.
    Many feel network interface is the future and it has its virtues too.
    Having said this if it's not needed I for one don't use it.
    In my pacific dac I use the network input
    And it sounds great but my usb is still better.
    How far I go to make it better is complex.

    Now reg a 2 pc setup is this.
    Both PCs need to be good and lps Powered.
    If one does not Upsample like me a I5 cpu Is fine
    network sws and routers on lps yes a must.

    In my setup i use three PCs
    one is a nas sinology crack
    two is a player pc it runs Roon or j river
    three the dac pc it can run Or j river out to dac
    all use a gig speed Network SW lps powered
    I have tried slower less audio pc set ups for the player
    it does not sound good.
    Same if one uses an End point with a player on it
    if it's not a fast I5 and lps powered pc
    I tried the low power types ok of just an end point
    now I also have tried Linux
    win 10/2012/2016
    2016 by far is best. And yes all the custom stripped down Versions
    there is something about 2016 and it's not found in the others
    I even made triple boot machines to have a level playing field
    so when I read about severs and they use OS not being 2016 I know
    how they sound already
    Room 20 ft wide 55 ft deep 8 ft high
    the room is custom built
    preamp ML26
    amps ML NO33
    interconnects mogomi gold BAL
    digital three CUST built servers by me
    nas , player pc and dac pc using 10 LPS supplies
    nas is synology hack
    servers Xeon cpu and audio ram win2016 OS customized , AO optimized headless , fanless
    roon player , HQ for dac.
    Network isolated by emo tek and LPS network sw with audio only IP address for traffic control.
    All network cables cat 7 shielded
    usb cable to dac is power and data isolated by true galvanic isolation transformer. Power cut at mainboard.
    Dac lampi




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    Re: Best server for Lampizator

    1 Fiber
    I have used a local diyer's fiber box which integrate two media-sconverter, fibre connections and dual LPS and clocked inside a single chasis. There is SQ improvement when I was using Oppo 205 before Lampizator Atlantic plus. However, after the A+, the improvement is smaller and I found out the ocassional drop out of the Roon playback is caused by the fiberbox. It just started happening in some day. So now, I don't have a fiber box. But SGC is making opticalrendu soon, I believe they have the capability to make complex things simple. Just like the ultrarendu.

    2 Storage PC
    How important is the spec of the storage pc? In Hong Kong there is some ocxo NAS which is not cheap. I understand the cost is high because of the ocxo clocks and the expensive SSD. And I haven't tried it yet. I have test an external HDD drive vs NAS both powered by LPS. The different is not big. So I haven't not yet explored this area yet. But I can see some server makers are focusing on this area. Like the SGM which uses onboard ssd(PCI) to shortage the communication while the memory player have some jitter reduction scheme to guide the storage of SSD.

    3 Multiple PC setup
    Would you recommend the following setup?
    Synology NAS + Roon PC(simple i5, maybe a Innuos or Sonictransporter i5) - HQplayer PC(sonictransporter) - Endpoint(ultrarendu).
    "I have tried slower less audio pc set ups for the player " Do you mean the roon pc or the hqplayer pc in my case? Without DSP, the roon should not be very heavy.

    4 Pacific's Lan
    Surprised to know the lan of pacific is not as good as the USB. Except I know that the Lampi's usb is really good. If so, the lan port is not useful. One should use a well powered naa as end point. However, I can understand some people prefer more tidy, less complicated setup.

    5 Linux vs Jriver
    If its just a tonal difference, its acceptable to stay with Linux. Sonictransporter OS is quite robust even after a lot of hard reset or sudden power off. And I believe hqplayer filter can change the tone a bit in order to adjust to personal preference.




    Source: Apodidae Switch&Router- Synology 918+ -SonicTransporter i7, ultrarendu, iso regen
    DAC and Preamp: Lampizator Golden Gate - KR242/Psvane WE300B + TAK 274B
    Amp: Sanders Magtech
    Speaker: Magnepan 3.7i
    Power: Isol-8 LC SE, Uptone
    Analog Cables: Cerious Technolgoies Matrix
    Digital Cables: Intona Reference USB, Cat-8 Lan with Telegartner.

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    Re: Best server for Lampizator

    Quote Originally Posted by Golum View Post
    Just the right topic at the right moment :-)
    Up to today I was using Auralic Aries Femto and tonight I will have installed by the manufacturer personally LDMS (Lukas Domansky) music server. I've heard it last Sept in quite (to me) brutal system and it sounded sublime. I know it is being used in several insane systems with great results. But more details and experiences I will share towards the end of the week...
    Before Lukasz comes to you he visited me a few weeks ago.
    The presentation of LDMS was very promissing, I tried both usb connection using Apricity unpowered cable and RJ 45 with a simple switch and generic cable.
    Although Lukasz prefers usb I was quite pleased with ethernet connection.
    I am looking forward to have LDSM for week or so to carefuly evaluate the sound of LDMS and compare it to my W20.
    The latter is now on test with Jcat top of the line Signature LAN cable and LAN and usb conditioner.
    I am very much impressed with those two elements, the improvement is significant.
    I connected the usb socket of the conditioner to the W20 and ethernet one to RJ 45 input of the Pacific.
    Better resolution, soundstage , definition and tone, hard to belive but true.
    Usb cable between W20 and my Pac is unpowered FTA Callisto- as you know
    Btw the usb board of my Pac was upgraded with Crystek more precise clocks and a new power supply to Amanero board.
    It resulted with more analogue sound compared to standard solution.
    Attached Images Attached Images
    Aurender W20->Lampizator Pacific SE/Audio Aero La Fontaine->Ayon Crossfire III-> Avantgarde Acoustic Duo Mezzo XD
    Analog : Fat Bob S with SME 5, Shelter Harmony, Tom Evans Groove+ SRX mk2,
    cabling: Acrolink, Vovox,Siltech, Transparent, Apricity and FTA Callisto usb, Fadel Art

    HT : Sony HW 50 ES, Oppo 93 EU, Darbee DVP-5000 ,Yamaha Aventage RX-A 3010 , B&W 9.1, screen 120 inches matt white

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    Re: Best server for Lampizator

    https://www.pinkfaun.com/

    These guys are about to bring to the market a few new components. probably worth keeping an eye on the site, specifically when it gets updated....

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    Re: Best server for Lampizator

    My two cents on this topic - not to repeat myself...
    https://www.audioshark.org/computer-...ver-16213.html
    LS: Vienna Acoustics Imperial Liszt
    PowerAmp: ARC REF 75 (KT150)
    PreAmp: ARC REF 6
    Source: LampizatOr Golden Gate 2 SE
    Streamer: LDMS Music Server
    CD player/Transport: Audio Analogue Maestro
    Power: IsoTek Sigmas EVO3
    Cabling: Shunyata (various), FTA (Final Touch Audio) - Ganymede RCA & XLR, Callisto USB, LS
    Rack: Finite Elemente Spider

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    Re: Best server for Lampizator

    I have been building servers for some 7 years back long enough to be in the dark ages
    pre any thought of servers built for the purpose. It was simple build it fast build it with what ever was the big thing anyone was talking about but
    back then and even now CPA was the place to hang. And anyone who did any programming were above god himself.
    Well gods get replaced too it digital audio.
    So some 5 years ago I found out about two people
    who in my world began the audio nirvana we are in
    one is a man named Paul pang the other is audio Phil
    One man made the many tweaks that still apply even today
    the second is the one god left standing after many years of godly killings
    he was the programmer. The man who actually made the mods some use now.

    Now the man golum speaks of is both of the past giants in one
    he is the godly programmer and the nerd in tweaking to perfection

    Anyone who tweaks like me knows there's a fine balance in making it better and making it worse as we apply layers of therm.

    This man has helped me reach levels I never could without him.
    He is a tech in power , and programming as well a very meticulous builder
    me I make it work get the cover on lol. He makes it look great in and out. Then does what no one else does he uses parts he makes and software he writes.
    He uses an OS most all run from as it's very technical. But the rewards are amazing. A must hear. Many severs have there own sound and tweaks that make it so
    but he makes servers that can sound as needed and he can make the changes remotely even after its setup and playing. No one does this.
    For any one who wants to hear one come see me on nyc
    or email him the man is way below the ultra high players Cost.
    A honest audio builder who loves great sound and knows how to make it so in in your system
    this is pc we all need and never get.
    Room 20 ft wide 55 ft deep 8 ft high
    the room is custom built
    preamp ML26
    amps ML NO33
    interconnects mogomi gold BAL
    digital three CUST built servers by me
    nas , player pc and dac pc using 10 LPS supplies
    nas is synology hack
    servers Xeon cpu and audio ram win2016 OS customized , AO optimized headless , fanless
    roon player , HQ for dac.
    Network isolated by emo tek and LPS network sw with audio only IP address for traffic control.
    All network cables cat 7 shielded
    usb cable to dac is power and data isolated by true galvanic isolation transformer. Power cut at mainboard.
    Dac lampi




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    Re: Best server for Lampizator

    Quote Originally Posted by Marslo View Post
    Before Lukasz comes to you he visited me a few weeks ago.
    The presentation of LDMS was very promissing, I tried both usb connection using Apricity unpowered cable and RJ 45 with a simple switch and generic cable.
    Although Lukasz prefers usb I was quite pleased with ethernet connection.
    I am looking forward to have LDSM for week or so to carefuly evaluate the sound of LDMS and compare it to my W20.
    The latter is now on test with Jcat top of the line Signature LAN cable and LAN and usb conditioner.
    I am very much impressed with those two elements, the improvement is significant.
    I connected the usb socket of the conditioner to the W20 and ethernet one to RJ 45 input of the Pacific.
    Better resolution, soundstage , definition and tone, hard to belive but true.
    Usb cable between W20 and my Pac is unpowered FTA Callisto- as you know
    Btw the usb board of my Pac was upgraded with Crystek more precise clocks and a new power supply to Amanero board.
    It resulted with more analogue sound compared to standard solution.

    Marslo, I'm curios how the Ldms sounded in your system?

    I also have the Lampi Pac and AG duo Mezzo's. My current server in Nucleus + through ethernet, which I'm happy with, but am still interested in improving the digital streaming. I would probably be going with Lucas's smaller model, as I don't need upsampling, eq, or huge storage.
    Source: Roon Nucleus, Cisco 2960 Switch, Gigafoil, Lampizator Pacific Dac. Amp: Luxman 300q power amp, Linear Tube Audio MZ3 pre amp Speakers: AvantGarde Duo Mezzo XD, JL Audio e112 subs. Cables: Alan Maher Designs Power, Duelund Speaker and Interconnects, Audioquest Diamond ethernet. Room Treatment from Vicoustic.

 

 
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