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Thread: Phono Stage With XLR Output
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March 9, 2019, 04:45 PM #1
Phono Stage With XLR Output
Are there any distance limitations when connecting a phono stage to a line stage with XLR outputs on the phono stage?
I’m looking to rearrange my setup moving my turntable from in between my speakers. I’m also in the market for a phono stage. The distance between the two will be about 15 to 20 feet.
Is this distance acceptable without any loss or should I keep it short?Paul
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March 9, 2019, 05:18 PM #2
Re: Phono Stage With XLR Output
Balanced cables are designed for long runs- a hundred feet or more is common in the pro audio world where they have long been the standard.
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March 9, 2019, 06:16 PM #3
Re: Phono Stage With XLR Output
Paul
Speakers: Von Schweikert VR-5 Anniversary MK II Front L/R, LCR-35 Center, VR-1 Rear L/R Sub: JL Audio F113
Amps: PS Audio BHK Signature 300 Mono, McIntosh MC207 Pre-Amp PS Audio BHK Signature and Gold Note PH-10 Phono Stage/PSU-10 Power Supply
Turntable: VPI HR-X 12.7 TONEARM (2) and SDS, Stillpoints LPI
Tape Deck Otari 5050B II2
Music Server: Aurender N100H
Cartridges: Ortofon Cadenza Black, Lyra Helikon Mono Digital Source: Oppo UDP-205 DAC: Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE
SSP: Marantz AV8801 Cables: Wireworld Electra 7 (P) Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7, Shunyata Delta NR (I) Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 (S) Wireworld Platinum Starlight 7 (USB)
AC Power Regeneration: PS Audio DirectStream P15 Power Plant and Shunyata Denali 6000s V2.
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March 10, 2019, 11:53 AM #4
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Re: Phono Stage With XLR Output
Yes, from a powered balanced output stage, a balanced interconnect cable can run several hundred feet. And in on location pro audio this often happens.
But it's not just about the cable it's about the interconnect system.
Balanced output stage >> balanced interconnect cable >> balanced input stage.
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May 21, 2019, 05:05 PM #5
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May 21, 2019, 05:15 PM #6
Re: Phono Stage With XLR Output
Paul
Speakers: Von Schweikert VR-5 Anniversary MK II Front L/R, LCR-35 Center, VR-1 Rear L/R Sub: JL Audio F113
Amps: PS Audio BHK Signature 300 Mono, McIntosh MC207 Pre-Amp PS Audio BHK Signature and Gold Note PH-10 Phono Stage/PSU-10 Power Supply
Turntable: VPI HR-X 12.7 TONEARM (2) and SDS, Stillpoints LPI
Tape Deck Otari 5050B II2
Music Server: Aurender N100H
Cartridges: Ortofon Cadenza Black, Lyra Helikon Mono Digital Source: Oppo UDP-205 DAC: Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE
SSP: Marantz AV8801 Cables: Wireworld Electra 7 (P) Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7, Shunyata Delta NR (I) Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 (S) Wireworld Platinum Starlight 7 (USB)
AC Power Regeneration: PS Audio DirectStream P15 Power Plant and Shunyata Denali 6000s V2.
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May 21, 2019, 10:53 PM #7
Phono Stage With XLR Output
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May 21, 2019, 11:03 PM #8
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Re: Phono Stage With XLR Output
Before Ralph re-opened this thread Paul had already purchased a Gold Note PH-10 which has both SE and Balanced outputs.
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May 21, 2019, 11:05 PM #9Avanti Audio
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May 21, 2019, 11:52 PM #10
Phono Stage With XLR Output
With 2 V output or more from your stage to your pre no prob. From your TT to your stage you will get less performance l- low voltage.
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May 22, 2019, 08:08 AM #11
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Re: Phono Stage With XLR Output
The Audio Engineering Society 'AES48' standard is about how the cable shield is connected at both chassis ends. It's better known as the 'Pin 1 Problem'. It's true that some audiophile products still do it incorrectly, allowing increased noise end interference. The first 'Pin 1 Problem' engineering paper was published in 1994. It took over a decade for some pro audio equipment to get it correct and even now some audiophile equipment is still not on-board.
But it's far from the only circuit design problem.
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Well designed line level interconnect systems should be good for up to 300 feet (100 meters).
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May 22, 2019, 12:44 PM #12
Re: Phono Stage With XLR Output
The pin 1 problem was solved long before the mid 1990s- Ampex had that right in the mid 1950s. But
and even now some audiophile equipment is still not on-board.
Here are the most common mistakes I see in high end:
1) the output of the circuit references ground from either pin 2 or pin 3. This causes the construction of the cable to be become critical for best sound- just like single-ended.
2) the output impedance is high- where the circuit should be able to drive 1,000 to 2,000 ohms I've seen some that can't drive anything less than 30Kohms! This has the same effect as in 1), and longer cables can be problematic.
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