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    Re: MSB Pro USB

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingsrule View Post
    On the other hand the PRO USB might be a TOUCH thin. I never played the USB connection games but my instinct tells me a good USB cable might get it perfect....
    King,

    When you find one that sounds right, please let me know, I’ve been looking for years.

    Ken
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    Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
    Power: AudioQuest Niagara 7000

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    Re: MSB Pro USB

    My ProUSB interface and module (for my Select II DAC) will be arriving at the end of May - looking forwards to enjoying the benefits of optical noise isolation and re-clocking of data packets to my Femto33 clock’s tick-tock !

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    Re: MSB Pro USB

    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    Hi King,

    I am not surprised by your comment, I expected the MSB Pro USB to be excellent. Every MSB digital input module has been outstanding and all are designed in-house. They donít play follow the leader. Thatís why theyíre better.

    As for me, I will stick with the MSB Renderer V2 until a V3 comes out. Since the addition of the GigaFoilv4 Ethernet Filter, the Keces P3 LPS for the GigaFoilv4, the Keces P8 LPS for the Roon Nucleus Plus, Audience AU24SE Power Cords for each Keces LPS, and AudioQuest Diamond Ethernet Cables for the network, I am getting unprecedented sound quality out of my system. Extraordinary detail, nuance and ease, as well as holographic imaging, all coming from a dead silent background.

    I never thought it could could be this great. Thanks again to Mike for the recommendations!

    Ken
    Hi Ken,

    I have my own fanless Roon server for the MSB Renderer V2. I've bridged the two Ethernet connections on the JCAT Ethernet card for an inline feed (or so the "Romaz" theory from computer audiophile goes, though I've yet to definitively prove the routing). I was wondering if you or anyone else did any comparisons of the GigaFoilv4 with the JCAT card (which also has an optional 5v power input). I suppose I could just get one and compare, but the Audioquest Diamond isn't cheap, and I'm interested in opinions as well.

    Thanks,
    Darryl

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    Re: MSB Pro USB

    Welcome to the forum Daryl, thank you for joining.
    Joe

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    Re: MSB Pro USB

    Quote Originally Posted by Darryl R View Post
    Hi Ken,

    I have my own fanless Roon server for the MSB Renderer V2. I've bridged the two Ethernet connections on the JCAT Ethernet card for an inline feed (or so the "Romaz" theory from computer audiophile goes, though I've yet to definitively prove the routing). I was wondering if you or anyone else did any comparisons of the GigaFoilv4 with the JCAT card (which also has an optional 5v power input). I suppose I could just get one and compare, but the Audioquest Diamond isn't cheap, and I'm interested in opinions as well.

    Thanks,
    Darryl
    Welcome to AudioShark, Darryl. I’m sorry but I haven’t tried a setup along these lines. Mike Bovaird from Suncoast Audio recommended my current configuration and I’ve been extremely happy with it. Totally turnkey and sounds amazing.

    Ken
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    Two Mono Powerbases, Femto 33 Clock,
    Renderer V2 and Roon Nucleus Plus
    Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps
    Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
    Power: AudioQuest Niagara 7000

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    Re: MSB Pro USB

    Thanks Ken. And glad to hear that. Mike sold me my Select II as well and I can say the same -- just a marvelous piece of audio engineering.
    Source: Fanless Ubuntu file server, dual SSDs, bridged Ethernet w/JCAT Net card & JS-2 LPS
    DAC: MSB Select II w/Femto 33 & Renderer V2
    Amps: D'Agostino M400
    Speakers: Wilson Alexia 2
    Cable: Shunyata Sigma
    Power: Shunyata Triton V3

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    Re: MSB Pro USB

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Welcome to the forum Daryl, thank you for joining.
    Thank you Joe.
    Source: Fanless Ubuntu file server, dual SSDs, bridged Ethernet w/JCAT Net card & JS-2 LPS
    DAC: MSB Select II w/Femto 33 & Renderer V2
    Amps: D'Agostino M400
    Speakers: Wilson Alexia 2
    Cable: Shunyata Sigma
    Power: Shunyata Triton V3

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    Re: MSB Pro USB

    My pleasure, sorry it took so long to notice your first post. Glad you are here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Darryl R View Post
    Thank you Joe.
    Joe

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    Re: MSB Pro USB

    Quote Originally Posted by Darryl R View Post
    Thanks Ken. And glad to hear that. Mike sold me my Select II as well and I can say the same -- just a marvelous piece of audio engineering.
    Thanks Darryl. Good to see you here.


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    MSB Pro USB

    Iíve had the MSB ProUSB in the store for over a week now. This one was not a prototype, but rather a completed version and one which I purchased.

    How does it compare? Like everything it comes down to personal preference. However, I thought it best to have a few customers over for the shootout.

    We wanted to compare:

    1. MSB Roon Renderer (from wall w/AQ Diamond Ethernet to Renderer)
    2. MSB Roon Renderer (from wall with CAT6 to GigaFoil/Keces P3 to Renderer)
    3. MSB ProUSB (from wall w/AQ Diamond Ethernet to Aurender, AQ Diamond USB to ProUSB, ProUSB via ProISL to ProISL module in the DAC)
    4. MSB ProUSB (from wall with CAT6 cable to GigaFoil/Keces P3 to AQ Diamond Ethernet to Aurender, AQ Diamond USB to ProUSB, ProUSB via ProISL to ProISL module in the DAC).
    5. MSB ProUSB (from wall w/AQ Diamond Ethernet to Innous Statement - on demo/loan, AQ Diamond USB to ProUSB, ProUSB via ProISL to ProISL module in the DAC).
    6. MSB ProUSB (from wall with CAT6 cable to GigaFoil/Keces P3 to AQ Diamond Ethernet to Innous Statement, AQ Diamond USB to ProUSB, ProUSB via ProISL to ProISL module in the DAC).
    7. MSB ProUSB (from wall w/AQ Diamond Ethernet to Roon Nucleus Plus with Keces P8, AQ Diamond USB to ProUSB, ProUSB via ProISL to ProISL module in the DAC).
    8. MSB ProUSB (from wall with CAT6 cable to GigaFoil/Keces P3 to AQ Diamond Ethernet to Roon Nucleus Plus with Keces P8, AQ Diamond USB to ProUSB, ProUSB via ProISL to ProISL module in the DAC).

    At all times, the cables were:

    - AudioQuest Diamond Ethernet
    - Cheapo Cat 6 (when feeding the GigaFoil)
    - AudioQuest Diamond USB
    - Analysis Plus Power Cables on the MSB Select II DAC
    - AQ Hurricane Source Cables on the various Music Server Transports.

    Speakers for the Testing:

    B&W 800D3ís with a pair of DB1D subs
    Luxman M900u Monos
    Luxman C900u Preamp
    AQ Speaker Cables and ICís

    - We played an assortment of redbook, high res and DSD64, 256 and 512 files. No MQA as we were playing off the NAS at all times.

    Phew!

    Findings:

    - We found the AQ Diamond with GigaFoil/Keces direct to the MSB Roon Renderer to be the most transparent, with the GigaFoil/Keces taking out some of the grunge in the upper registers.

    - The ProUSB nullified the benefits of the GigaFoil/Keces P3. We could hear a big difference in configuration #1/#2, but not once we introduced the ProUSB (which converts USB to Fiber Optic - ProISL).

    - However, it was unanimous that the #5 configuration sounded best overall, but finished second due to the reasons noted below. The Innous Statement had meat on the bones, without any noticeable loss in transparency, and sounded very analog. HOWEVER, two notes:

    - The Roon Nucleus Plus in the #7 configuration was incredibly close to the Innous Statement - as in 99 vs 100. The Roon Nucleus Plus allows full NATIVE DSD and DSD512. This gave it the edge for our winner in the shootout.

    - the Innous Statement is NOT capable of NATIVE DSD on any MSB DAC (via the ProUSB) and it DOES NOT play DSD256 or above on any DAC (limited to DSD128). This may not matter to some, but the NATIVE vs DoP was a big deciding factor, plus we couldnít play our DSD512 files. If these things arenít important to you, than the Innous is a worth considering. But in our configuration, it was so close to the $2498 Roon Nucleus Plus, that it was literally indistinguishable when paired with the ProUSB. I have no doubt it is superior on other DACís feeding them straight via USB, but for our tests - going into the great equalizer - the ProUSB, it was too close to call.

    Therefore, for all the reasons mentioned above, the #7 configuration (MSB ProUSB (from wall w/AQ Diamond Ethernet to Roon Nucleus Plus with Keces P8, AQ Diamond USB to ProUSB, ProUSB via ProISL to ProISL module in the DAC) was the overall winner.

    NOTE: My Lumin U1 was not available for this test. I will be bringing it in and testing against the Roon Nucleus + shortly.
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