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    Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today

    Wilsons look like trash cans or robots on the very high end. I don't mind the look personally but they definitely are not attractive speakers - probably the worst WAF of any well known high end speaker.

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    Would that be blind, or, deaf?

    I thought speakers were to listen to. Ugly speakers are like that girl you brought home at closing time, it's all the same in the dark, LOL

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    Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Peabody View Post
    Would that be blind, or, deaf?

    I thought speakers were to listen to. Ugly speakers are like that girl you brought home at closing time, it's all the same in the dark, LOL
    You have to admit that the ugly ones are at least real and honest about their intentions! Most guys need to thank the "ugly ones" because without them there would be a heck of a lot of horny angry men in this society. I have heard men tell the stuck up pretty ones, "what will you do when your looks fade, rely on your personality? I love my Wilson Maxx 3. I've owned Magneplanar, Acoustat, and Martin Logan before switching to a paper cone speaker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Peabody View Post
    I thought speakers were to listen to.
    they are, I just happen to keep my eyes open most of the time. Hey , no worries there are plenty of folks that like Wilsons for their looks, I'm not one of them, but I too have company ........

    Ugly speakers are like that girl you brought home at closing time, it's all the same in the dark, LOL
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    Last I looked Richard Vandersteen has made a boatload of money with for years three basic models that most people thought were ugly but yet 40 years later they are still with us because enough people liked the way they sounded.
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    Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today

    Quote Originally Posted by Coppy View Post
    Now this is an ugly speaker. Expensive, probably sounds great... but ugly:
    That speaker is no longer there, though it was sound and not looks that brought about the move. If you look around there are numerous pics on the web showing the replacement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coppy View Post
    Now this is an ugly speaker. Expensive, probably sounds great... but ugly:
    I don't think those speakers are ugly nor are the speakers that replaced them.

    If we only wanted beautiful speakers everyone would own Aida 2's or Lilium's.
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    Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today

    Beauty is simply in the eye of the beholder - what matters is what’s within.

    Now with that being said, I’m a T&A kinda guy, but still the rule follows function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UltraFast69 View Post
    Beauty is simply in the eye of the beholder - what matters is what’s within.

    Now with that being said, I’m a T&A kinda guy, but still the rule follows function.

    Proud Wilson Owner here...no plans of change in that department.


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    I am pretty amazed at the comments here. It is pretty insulting to those who own and cherish their Wilsons. I got spurned for questioning the Magico business model but 6 pages of insulting Wilson is OK? Don't get it.

    First off, Wilson still outsells all others by far. Second, they are very well accepted for their looks and in fact the number one seller, by far, to the "rich and famous" up here in Palm Beach; yes based on looks and by far more acceptable to designers than any Magico. As to the materials they use, too much hype about what manufacturers use with too little listening.

    Years ago, I owned Watt/Puppies with Spectral which I loved. Moved to the bigger Grand Slam, which others LOVED but I couldn't stand. Haven't owned Wilson since so I have no dog in this discussion other than to give me two cents as to insults.

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    No dog, I'd say, you'd have to have blinders on to be in the same room with Gobel. LOLOL

    Quote Originally Posted by Priaptor View Post
    I am pretty amazed at the comments here. It is pretty insulting to those who own and cherish their Wilsons. I got spurned for questioning the Magico business model but 6 pages of insulting Wilson is OK? Don't get it.

    First off, Wilson still outsells all others by far. Second, they are very well accepted for their looks and in fact the number one seller, by far, to the "rich and famous" up here in Palm Beach; yes based on looks and by far more acceptable to designers than any Magico. As to the materials they use, too much hype about what manufacturers use with too little listening.

    Years ago, I owned Watt/Puppies with Spectral which I loved. Moved to the bigger Grand Slam, which others LOVED but I couldn't stand. Haven't owned Wilson since so I have no dog in this discussion other than to give me two cents as to insults.
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    Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today

    Quote Originally Posted by Bar81 View Post
    Wilsons look like trash cans or robots on the very high end. I don't mind the look personally but they definitely are not attractive speakers - probably the worst WAF of any well known high end speaker.
    Ha, ha ,

    Thats so ridonculous .......

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    Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today



    You meant this ? Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
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    Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today

    Hilarious comments.

    I love the look of my Maxx 3's. They are just so alien, evil and nasty looking - My wife and girls hate the look - makes me love the look even more.

    do not like the of the Alexia look - like a large wide rugby player with no neck and a small head. the new Sasha's look great imo.

    Magico S series just looks like a half cut piece of plastic plumbing pipe with black cover and drivers shoved on the front, and they always look like they will topple over - can't stand them personally.

    The Q and M series look awesome thou, although Magico might be taking the curved corners a little too far now.

    no one would ever call Avantgarde speakers good looking. The classic creme with wood magnepan speakers is vomit worthy.
    you could go on and on.


    clearly most audiophiles buy on sound, not how good looking the speaker is, which is the way it should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XV-1 View Post
    Hilarious comments.

    I love the look of my Maxx 3's. They are just so alien, evil and nasty looking - My wife and girls hate the look - makes me love the look even more.

    do not like the of the Alexia look - like a large wide rugby player with no neck and a small head. the new Sasha's look great imo.

    Magico S series just looks like a half cut piece of plastic plumbing pipe with black cover and drivers shoved on the front, and they always look like they will topple over - can't stand them personally.

    The Q and M series look awesome thou, although Magico might be taking the curved corners a little too far now.

    no one would ever call Avantgarde speakers good looking. The classic creme with wood magnepan speakers is vomit worthy.
    you could go on and on.


    clearly most audiophiles buy on sound, not how good looking the speaker is, which is the way it should be.
    Quite the contrary. I hear repeatedly how much both the men and women who come into the store like them. The lady yesterday loved the look of them, especially in the Berma Blue. A few weeks ago, another lady commented, “they look like music.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Peabody View Post
    No dog, I'd say, you'd have to have blinders on to be in the same room with Gobel. LOLOL
    LOLOL, just looked at your system; eat your heart out pal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Quite the contrary. I hear repeatedly how much both the men and women who come into the store like them. The lady yesterday loved the look of them, especially in the Berma Blue. A few weeks ago, another lady commented, “they look like music.”
    This thread started as bashing Wilson for using crappy materials to bashing them for the way they look and truth is Mike, no matter the anecdote you quote regarding horns, most sane people who are not audiophiles would laugh at what we audiophiles find "attractive".

    We can all decide to be delusional in our perspectives but it all comes down, ultimately, to how it sounds and what we rationalize as "good looking".

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    Aw, no comment yet. Before I forget I want to make sure you know I was just messing with you. I'm really not a good judge of what looks good or bad.

    My wife don't like the look of my current speakers. The only speaker she ever, ever, said looked good, was the revel studio 2 when I had them in for audition. I think it was price that made me not buy them but if I was smart I should have taken the opportunity since she was on board, LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by Priaptor View Post
    I am pretty amazed at the comments here. It is pretty insulting to those who own and cherish their Wilsons. I got spurned for questioning the Magico business model but 6 pages of insulting Wilson is OK? Don't get it.

    First off, Wilson still outsells all others by far. Second, they are very well accepted for their looks and in fact the number one seller, by far, to the "rich and famous" up here in Palm Beach; yes based on looks and by far more acceptable to designers than any Magico. As to the materials they use, too much hype about what manufacturers use with too little listening.

    Years ago, I owned Watt/Puppies with Spectral which I loved. Moved to the bigger Grand Slam, which others LOVED but I couldn't stand. Haven't owned Wilson since so I have no dog in this discussion other than to give me two cents as to insults.
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    Oh, you snuck in on me. If you could donate me a couple hundred K, Gobel would be on my list.

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    LOLOL, just looked at your system; eat your heart out pal.
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    True story though, when I was in the Gobel room someone asked, "what is that thing on top that looks like an iPad?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Priaptor View Post
    LOLOL, just looked at your system; eat your heart out pal.
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    Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today

    Here is a good explanation with a (VERY) relevant example to why the OP is right:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2pvz6RDBCE

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVB View Post
    Here is a good explanation with a (VERY) relevant example to why the OP is right:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2pvz6RDBCE
    Wow, what an interesting analysis by Richard Vandersteen.
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    Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today

    Richard Vandersteen is a highly respected speaker manufacturer. As are Wilson Audio and others using different materials. Wilson uses very advanced electronic means of every sort in their research. Due to the size of their business worldwide they can afford and have the best, so I'm sure this sort of information is old news to them. Mr. V's points taken alone with out response from others significant players is interesting but relatively meaningless. But, as has been said, how a speaker sounds to each of us the ultimate measure of quality.

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    I think the worst problem with paper cones can be the humidity.
    I get sick when I see some signals of it on them ...

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