GigaFoil v4 Inline Ethernet Filter

[Kingrex]

I do. If I used cords like ultrafast uses, I would have more invested in power cords than I do my entire set up right now. It's frustrating you can actually hear every one of them. And if you're really astute, you can start to understand how certain cords perform better in certain places. My friend Joe Pittman with kosmic audio has been building cords for a few year now. Or at least he's on another phase from something he might have done in the past. He has made 30 or so iteration and says every one of them is sonically different from the other. And for the most part he's using very similar material. Just how it's configured shapes the sound.

I am sitting on a pile of raw ofc copper and other fittings. I have sort of stalled on putting it all together as I'm very curious what Joe finds to work best. I actually asked him last night, but he can't say as they all have their place. It kind of comes down to what are you trying to achieve with that power cord.

People will tell you chords and cables should have no Sonic signature. I don't think there's any way you can get around them having a Sonic signature so every one is technically a tone control. Understanding how to best utilize that aspect of the cord is beyond me.

[kzhtoo]

I do. If I used cords like ultrafast uses, I would have more invested in power cords than I do my entire set up right now. It's frustrating you can actually hear every one of them. And if you're really astute, you can start to understand how certain cords perform better in certain places. My friend Joe Pittman with kosmic audio has been building cords for a few year now. Or at least he's on another phase from something he might have done in the past. He has made 30 or so iteration and says every one of them is sonically different from the other. And for the most part he's using very similar material. Just how it's configured shapes the sound.

I am sitting on a pile of raw ofc copper and other fittings. I have sort of stalled on putting it all together as I'm very curious what Joe finds to work best. I actually asked him last night, but he can't say as they all have their place. It kind of comes down to what are you trying to achieve with that power cord.

People will tell you chords and cables should have no Sonic signature. I don't think there's any way you can get around them having a Sonic signature so every one is technically a tone control. Understanding how to best utilize that aspect of the cord is beyond me.

Really?!

[Kingrex]

Really what? The cost of power cords? Those damn things can be $5,000 or more piece. Most of the ones I bought in the past are more in the $500 each range.

Or that I believe they have a Sonic signature. I don't know how it couldn't.

Even a brand-name power cord design for 12 volt can be three to $500. And I have definitely heard the improvements that can be had between a piece of junk 12 volt power cord and a $300 power cord.

[kzhtoo]

Really what?

Really as in thread/topic at hand is derailed by something unrelated and has been discussed a few million times over the internet.

[Kingrex]

Sure, Im a little derailed but come on. This thread has also take on some of the virtues of adressing the entire digital chain, not just one gigafoil part. We now have 2 X 120 volt power cords for 2 X kecis power supplies. 4 x low voltage power cords from kecis to gigafoil, switch, router and modum. At least one ethernet cable of great expense. Plus the rest of the ethernet cabling that should be quality.

We all have our budgets. I use a good switch with linear PS and blue Jeans ethernet cables. I cant afford the additional parts above as it's working out to thousands of $$$. 3 or 4, if not more. Thats with budget cables.

Not to mention properly racking the gear. Ultrafast is dedicated to doing digital correct. His gear is not hanging loose in a garage. I believe there is an abundance of isolating feet and platforms involved.

It's a big deal to put digital together with a focus on top performance. I'm just stating my recognition of it. I got rid of my vinyl (for the most part) because my digital is darn good. And I like the versatility. I'm not a naysayer. I'm just saying its a lot. I to wish I could afford to swim in the deep water.

[kzhtoo]

Alright, carry on then.

[Dguitarnut]

The Gigafoil/Keces combo elevated the SQ in my system as much as a major component change. I listen exclusively to streaming and I am tickled pink with this purchase. Its a veritable bargain in such a cat chasing its tail search of sonic nirvana.
Thank You Mike for pursuing the power supply upgrade choices and making it an easy convenient one stop shopping experience.

[Mike]

The Gigafoil/Keces combo elevated the SQ in my system as much as a major component change. I listen exclusively to streaming and I am tickled pink with this purchase. Its a veritable bargain in such a cat chasing its tail search of sonic nirvana.
Thank You Mike for pursuing the power supply upgrade choices and making it an easy convenient one stop shopping experience.

You’re very welcome! Glad you’re enjoying it.

[Alpinist]

Sure, Im a little derailed but come on. This thread has also take on some of the virtues of adressing the entire digital chain, not just one gigafoil part. We now have 2 X 120 volt power cords for 2 X kecis power supplies. 4 x low voltage power cords from kecis to gigafoil, switch, router and modum. At least one ethernet cable of great expense. Plus the rest of the ethernet cabling that should be quality.

We all have our budgets. I use a good switch with linear PS and blue Jeans ethernet cables. I cant afford the additional parts above as it's working out to thousands of $$$. 3 or 4, if not more. Thats with budget cables.

Not to mention properly racking the gear. Ultrafast is dedicated to doing digital correct. His gear is not hanging loose in a garage. I believe there is an abundance of isolating feet and platforms involved.

It's a big deal to put digital together with a focus on top performance. I'm just stating my recognition of it. I got rid of my vinyl (for the most part) because my digital is darn good. And I like the versatility. I'm not a naysayer. I'm just saying its a lot. I to wish I could afford to swim in the deep water.

It doesn’t have to be everything discussed.

If you do these 3 things, you’ll be delighted with the sound quality:

1) DJM GigaFoilv4 Ethernet Filter
2) Keces P3 Power Supply for GigaFoilv4
3) 0.75M AudioQuest Diamond Ethernet Cable between Filter and DAC

Best,
Ken

[UltraFast69]

In Rex’s defense, I get where he is coming from in a relative sense as it takes so much to get so little in terms of cables, gadgets and power supplies - there is a lot to assemble in climbing the pinnacle, but remember no one has to do anything.

From Mike, Alpinist, others and myself for that matter there is no doubt fiber optical filters like the Gigafoil purifies the sound in a more natural state and is further enhanced with the added time and expense of cables and power supplies.

Enjoy your sound, no matter!




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[Kingrex]

Yes a shout to Mike for vetting PS. Its hard to find a good one for a reasonable price.

Thanks Ed. No we don't have to. We select what piques us. I just spent $2500 upgrading my preamp. It has turned out to be a worthwhile investment. Different than what I hear cleaning the digital signal.

One day I will probably get a gigafoil. Honestly, I will get a PS and feed my Router, Modum and NAS first. I hold somewhat of a belief its best to make the baseline/backbone of the architecture correct before adding devices to further enhance. We all have to have a modem and router if you stream. Some of us use a NAS.

I appreciate the gigafoil works. I accept that now. It sounds to be more a consistent benefit than a sometimes depending may help. Yet I consistently hear bettering the power and cables to all the rest of the digital chain also helps in much to the same degree.

[kzhtoo]

I appreciate the gigafoil works. I accept that now. It sounds to be more a consistent benefit than a sometimes depending may help. Yet I consistently hear bettering the power and cables to all the rest of the digital chain also helps in much to the same degree.

You somehow always come back to power and cables in this thread. I’m wondering if you feel we might not have done enough to address in that area?

One word. AQ Hurricane and you won’t feel you need to second guess yourself.

[Kingrex]

You somehow always come back to power and cables in this thread. I’m wondering if you feel we might not have done enough to address in that area?

One word. AQ Hurricane and you won’t feel you need to second guess yourself.

I come back to power and cables??? If the gigafoil only required a wall wart and a $10, 2.5mm cable I would buy it. Everyone on this thread has done the research and says to meet its full potential it needs the Keces linear PS as well as a god awful expensive Ethernet cable.

AQ Hurricane $1600, Keces $800, Gigafoil $600, 2.5MM cable $350, Ethernet cable $1,000. I count $3,550 to do the gigafoil correct. Also add $500 for isolation stands under the PS and or Gigafoil. Thats $4K now. No small investment for the average user.

What are you trying to say Kztoo? Am I wrong to consider the total investment to do it right. I have admitted it works. Enough private chat with users still verifying 100% they continue to use it and find it a benefit has convinced me. That is not the usual outcome for other products that get pages of praise on these forums. All to often I write a private message and hear this or that product is no longer use. The Gigafoil sound to be the real deal. Its just more of an investment than the device itself to get its full benefit.

As an aside I got a quote for $5,500 to upgrade my digital backbone/infrastructure. Power and cabling. That was the minimum entry cost. That did not include the (2) Hurricane I would need. It did not include the gigafoil either. Thats a total of $9,000 to bring my system up to premium performance levels. The parts and pieces all add up and need to be considered. That is more than I spent on my server and DAC which I acquired at 20% off for purchasing the used show unit. Consider that. Proper cable and data infrastructure to get the most from digital streaming cost more than the DAC and Server.

[kzhtoo]

AQ Hurricane $1600, Keces $800, Gigafoil $600, 2.5MM cable $350, Ethernet cable $1,000. I count $3,550 to do the gigafoil correct. Also add $500 for isolation stands under the PS and or Gigafoil. Thats $4K now. No small investment for the average user.

What are you trying to say Kztoo? Am I wrong to consider the total investment to do it right.

Yes, your total investment number is wrong. You don’t have to use AQ Hurricane for Keces. I don’t. I use Hurricane’s for other equipments, but for Keces I use Shunyata Alpha Digital (older version). 2.5MM cable also doesn’t cost $350, Ghent sells them for $45. AQ Diamond 0.75m used would only set you back $600 (someone on this forum is selling, I constantly see this coming up for sale. AQ Vodka is another cheaper alternative). That amounts to somewhere around $2k, not $4k as you stated.

[Mike]

The GigaFoil is $570 shipped. The Keces is $399 shipped. I have a spare iFi power supply I can send you for the GigaFoil if the Keces is too much of a stretch.

As for power cords, well, they can make a much bigger difference than speaker or IC IMHO.


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[Kingrex]

Yes, your total investment number is wrong. You don’t have to use AQ Hurricane for Keces. I don’t. I use Hurricane’s for other equipments, but for Keces I use Shunyata Alpha Digital (older version). 2.5MM cable also doesn’t cost $350, Ghent sells them for $45. AQ Diamond 0.75m used would only set you back $600 (someone on this forum is selling, I constantly see this coming up for sale. AQ Vodka is another cheaper alternative). That amounts to somewhere around $2k, not $4k as you stated.

I get where your coming from. My number is not wrong. You opted for a package of associated parts that was less expensive than other are doing. I paid $300 or so for a 12 Volt power cable for a linear PS to an older server and the difference between it and the bargain priced unit was no small improvement. It was pretty shocked at the difference. You also left out the isolation. You also used an old power cable you already had. Yes we can purchase used gear. I use to quite a bit. That is how I got started. As I look at my system now, everything I own was purchased new from the manufacturer. I seem to gravitate to the more boutique direct sale products. Gosh darn. I just stared at my gear and the only second hand piece of equipment I own is the 2 power cables I bought from Jazdoc that feed my monoblocks. Every other piece of everything was purchased new. Hmmm, never really realized that.

[Kingrex]

The GigaFoil is $570 shipped. The Keces is $399 shipped. I have a spare iFi power supply I can send you for the GigaFoil if the Keces is too much of a stretch.

As for power cords, well, they can make a much bigger difference than speaker or IC IMHO.


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I'm gonna get one some day Mike and I will call you. Just not yet.

I noted the Keces P8 as that is what they recommended to me. The P3 works. Yet I am keeping an eye to versatility. It would be best to power more than one device at my rack. It would be best if my Linear Solution Switch and NAS were on my rack with 3 foot or less ethernet cables. Then I route to the gigafoil. It is not as effective having equipment in my garage with a 20 foot Blue Jeans cable in-between them. Besides they are getting dusty and don't have good stands supporting them.

[UltraFast69]

DC cables just arrived today handmade from Ghent Audio using 20 AWG OFC cable and gold tip connectors - their appearance are impressive, and from build quality alone worth the price of admission at $45.00 each!

I am not expecting much on what they will contribute in overall sound and picture quality, but let's see...

[UltraFast69]

DC cables just arrived today handmade from Ghent Audio using 20 AWG OFC cable and gold tip connectors - their appearance are impressive, and from build quality alone worth the price of admission at $45.00 each!

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[FDPDK]

Those cables build quality really looks good.

[UltraFast69]

Those cables build quality really looks good.

Yes, it really is.

Highly recommended for DC power applications and at approx $45.00 US, it’s a no brainer.

I’m still trying to understand if these cables stepped up the sound and video quality I’m currently hearing and seeing over the recent placement from what I gained using 2 LPS on 3 components (Gigafoil, Modem & Router) or is it coincidently coming from the rain moistening the ground or both as the sound is that good?

Time will tell!


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[Kingrex]

Ed, what dc cable were you using before the Ghent. Do you have any Shunyata or other brand name to compare

[PeteG]

I'm not getting all-out crazy with my GigaFoil I'm keeping it simple for now, ifi power supply and AQ vodka Ethernet cable. The sound I'm getting from it is more than satisfying, transparent/clear and blacker background. I can get more out of it with better cables and power supply but I just don't feel compelled to do so for now, very happy with the sound.

[pdub]

Kind of amusing that this thread has grown so large, but when I do a search on ComputerAudiophile (yeah I know it's not called that anymore but I always forget the new name) the one thread with Gigafoil in the title is only about 20 posts long ...

[Kingrex]

Peter, your comment made me chuckle. I could say I'm super content with how my system sounds now without it. Whats wrong with us all ?

[UltraFast69]

Ed, what dc cable were you using before the Ghent. Do you have any Shunyata or other brand name to compare

Was using the stock run of the mill no brand cable.

Very happy so far on what has taken place with sound quality after changing the OEM cables out, should have known.


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[Kingrex]

Ed, Clarify something for me. I have a audiophile switch at this time such as yours. Would you say you saw a bigger bang for the buck with a linear PS to the modem and router or a Linear PS to a Gigafoil. You also saw a big performance jump with your video adding the Linear PS to your modem and Router? Correct? Thanks

[UltraFast69]

Hey Rex,

Easier said than listened to.

I experienced gains at each segment making the entirety an assembly of pieces to make the whole, everything needs to be done, budget probably dictates what people can do and when.

Not one addition did more than the other. Although the modem and router provided entire home gains on viewing clarity and sound versus 2 channel focus which benefited me the listener.

Focus now is consideration from point of source/sound entry and walk back to the origin to control as much as I can like we did with grounding then listen to why everything matters beyond what your told.




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[Alpinist]

I’m so happy with the way my network is sounding. It is simply amazing. I added the DJM GigaFoilv4 Ethernet Filter as the last step before my Select II DAC and the results were stunning. The GigaFoilv4 optically filters out 99.99999% of the noise in the network. I also added a Keces P3 Linear Power Supply for the Ethernet Filter and Keces P8 LPS for my Roon Nucleus Plus core server. Each LPS got an Audience AU24SE MP power cord. Lastly, the network got AudioQuest Diamond Ethernet Cables.

There are still other tweaks I can implement such as Linear Power Supplies for my Synology DS-3018XS NAS, Netgear Nighthawk X10 Router and Cable Modem. I may also add an audiophile switch but frankly, the Nighthawk X10 works and sounds so excellent with its 6 Ethernet LAN ports, I’m reluctant to add another switch in the chain when it’s really unnecessary.

Ken

[UltraFast69]

I’m so happy with the way my network is sounding. It is simply amazing. I added the DJM GigaFoilv4 Ethernet Filter as the last step before my Select II DAC and the results were stunning. The GigaFoilv4 optically filters out 99.99999% of the noise in the network. I also added a Keces P3 Linear Power Supply for the Ethernet Filter and Keces P8 LPS for my Roon Nucleus Plus core server. Each LPS got an Audience AU24SE MP power cord. Lastly, the network got AudioQuest Diamond Ethernet Cables.

There are still other tweaks I can implement such as Linear Power Supplies for my Synology DS-3018XS NAS, Netgear Nighthawk X10 Router and Cable Modem. I may also add an audiophile switch but frankly, the Nighthawk X10 works and sounds so excellent with its 6 Ethernet LAN ports, I’m reluctant to add another switch in the chain when it’s really unnecessary.

Ken

Spend $45-59.00 and get a Ghent DC cable from Keces to GF, then when time permits add another P8 and address the modem and router and finally stick a fork into it


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[Kuoppis]

I’m so happy with the way my network is sounding. It is simply amazing. I added the DJM GigaFoilv4 Ethernet Filter as the last step before my Select II DAC and the results were stunning. The GigaFoilv4 optically filters out 99.99999% of the noise in the network. I also added a Keces P3 Linear Power Supply for the Ethernet Filter and Keces P8 LPS for my Roon Nucleus Plus core server. Each LPS got an Audience AU24SE MP power cord. Lastly, the network got AudioQuest Diamond Ethernet Cables.

There are still other tweaks I can implement such as Linear Power Supplies for my Synology DS-3018XS NAS, Netgear Nighthawk X10 Router and Cable Modem. I may also add an audiophile switch but frankly, the Nighthawk X10 works and sounds so excellent with its 6 Ethernet LAN ports, I’m reluctant to add another switch in the chain when it’s really unnecessary.

Ken

Ken, your setup is on such a high level that little can be done to improve. Congrats.

Recently I have been tinkering with aligning all components to common ground to a surprisingly great positive effect.


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[Kingrex]

Kuoppos, not trying to change the subject, but is your grounding through an Entreq type solution?

[Kingrex]

I'm going to throw out a little speculating here. There is nothing scientific behind this. My speculation is, if you put a gigafoil with keces into your ethernet chain and experience a dramatic level of improvement, my speculation is there was a lot of noise and issues on your ethernet system in hole.

If all you do is utilize the Gigafoil with keces power supply in this instance, you have done a lot to clean up the signal, but have done little to address other underlying issues. Adding Keces PS to the router and modem as well as utilizing a audio quality switch will bring further improvements. IMO.

I talk on the phone and chat with Ed a lot. I believe my understanding of our conversations is that he keeps much of his music on his Aurender and passes it via Ethernet to his Brinkman DAC. Even in such a simple signal path, the Brinkmann to the DAC via his switch and gigafoil, he finds the sound improved by having a linear power supply on the router and modem which you would not think is in the signal path. I believe the router is still ultimately assigning the addresses so is involved in the process. I also believe Adrian with the Linear Solution was leading me to understand there is still distortion and noise from the modem and router that are injected into the entire ethernet signal and cleaning up the power supplies on those devices keeps their influence on the entire ethernet chained to a minimum.

In summation if you were to address all of those devices with better power and cabling you would find the Gigafoil to have much less influence on its own.

As a second summation, if you just use the Gigafoil and don't clean up the rest of the signal, you are loose some performance. Not a lot as the changes will be smaller, but you are losing some.

[UltraFast69]

I'm going to throw out a little speculating here. There is nothing scientific behind this. My speculation is, if you put a gigafoil with keces into your ethernet chain and experience a dramatic level of improvement, my speculation is there was a lot of noise and issues on your ethernet system in hole.

If all you do is utilize the Gigafoil with keces power supply in this instance, you have done a lot to clean up the signal, but have done little to address other underlying issues. Adding Keces PS to the router and modem as well as utilizing a audio quality switch will bring further improvements. IMO.

I talk on the phone and chat with Ed a lot. I believe my understanding of our conversations is that he keeps much of his music on his Aurender and passes it via Ethernet to his Brinkman DAC. Even in such a simple signal path, the Brinkmann to the DAC via his switch and gigafoil, he finds the sound improved by having a linear power supply on the router and modem which you would not think is in the signal path. I believe the router is still ultimately assigning the addresses so is involved in the process. I also believe Adrian with the Linear Solution was leading me to understand there is still distortion and noise from the modem and router that are injected into the entire ethernet signal and cleaning up the power supplies on those devices keeps their influence on the entire ethernet chained to a minimum.

In summation if you were to address all of those devices with better power and cabling you would find the Gigafoil to have much less influence on its own.

As a second summation, if you just use the Gigafoil and don't clean up the rest of the signal, you are loose some performance. Not a lot as the changes will be smaller, but you are losing some.

Rex, I agree with everything you have said, basing this through audible and visual awareness to what was done, going back to address the modem and router is a huge gain with a Linear Power Supply.

One correction, the Aurender is fed Ethernet cabling from the output of the Gigafoil v4 and into the Gigafoil v4 is Ethernet from the AQVox SE switch - all Nordost Heimdell 2 ethernet cabling, Nordost’s highest quality ethernet cable. Nordost Valhalla 2 AES connects the Aurender and Brinkmann Nyquist MK II. I also use lower series Nordost power cables (Red Dawn) to feed both the Keces P3 and P8.

[Kingrex]

Mike just posted a really interesting video on the other thread you started where you were reviewing the Aqvox SE switch and Gigafoil. It's somewhat validates what we are saying here. The entire ethernet system needs to be looked at as a whole. Viewers should jump over to that thread and take a quick look there too.

To reiterate, I'm not bagging on the gigafoil switch at all. I believe it to be a big benefit. I'm just trying to round out an idea for anybody who actually gets through all these pages to understand there is not one cure-all. There are parts and pieces that on their own do a lot to help. There's also the whole of the ethernet signal. What you select as your starting point is truly up to you.

If I were to start with a gigafoil, I would probably get a power supply with two rails and either power my NAS or switch at the same time. It's more cost-effective to get the keces P8 that can energize 2 pieces of equipment.

[Kuoppis]

Kuoppos, not trying to change the subject, but is your grounding through an Entreq type solution?

Rex, the solution I implemented is a DYI hack. In an experiment I challenged the pricing of a commercially available solution. The point was to align all components to common signal ground via some vacant signal input. What I was surprised about, was that it actually works, and the level of impact.

It basically imitates the Nordost QKore.

[Alpinist]

Welcome back my friends
To the thread that never ends
We’re so glad you could attend
Come inside! Come inside.

Ken

[Willco]

If anyone needs a Keces P3, pls contact me by pm. Perfect condition. I'll be getting the larger P8 through Mike.

[Kingrex]

I just bumped my internet to 1000 mbs. Getting a new Modem today. When I have the voltage I'm getting a P8 myself.

[Alpinist]

The Keces P8 is a terrific linear power supply. Got a substantial improvement in sound quality when I added it for my Roon Nucleus Plus. My favorite part is the display shows both the voltage being supplied and the current being drawn. The build quality is off the charts great.

Ken

[Kingsrule]

FYI..the dual voltage P8's only come with 1 dc cable..kind of stupid

As far as build quality, none of the 3 P8's I have sit flat.....

[Kingrex]

My Keces will actually be in a basement powering a modem and router. Looks and sitting flat will really have little to no impact in my setup. I'm going to get the Ghent cables as Ed seemed to find the quality very good for the price. I have found 12 volt cables in the past can have a large influence on the sound. I toss away pretty much all cables that come with equipment I purchase.

[UltraFast69]

FYI..the dual voltage P8's only come with 1 dc cable..kind of stupid

As far as build quality, none of the 3 P8's I have sit flat.....

Seems odd. They sent 2 cables on my P8, and no issues with sitting flat. P.S. Recommend changing out cables.


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[UltraFast69]

My Keces will actually be in a basement powering a modem and router. Looks and sitting flat will really have little to no impact in my setup. I'm going to get the Ghent cables as Ed seemed to find the quality very good for the price. I have found 12 volt cables in the past can have a large influence on the sound. I toss away pretty much all cables that come with equipment I purchase.

Yep


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[wisnon]

Ken, your setup is on such a high level that little can be done to improve. Congrats.

Recently I have been tinkering with aligning all components to common ground to a surprisingly great positive effect.


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Try aligning phase of all components as that will give a near free and significant improvement!

[Kingrex]

Try aligning phase of all components as that will give a near free and significant improvement!

Thats an interesting topic that could use its own thread. Not easy to do.

[Rob181]

Thats an interesting topic that could use its own thread. Not easy to do.

Not difficult at all to start a new thread.

[Jim Smith]

Try aligning phase of all components as that will give a near free and significant improvement!

If you mean aligning all components for the same AC polarity, I wrote about that in Get Better Sound 11 years ago. It seems there's almost always one or two components that will be reversed, to the system's - and musical engagement's - detriment.

[wisnon]

Perfectly correct Jim. that is what I mean. i think there was a US gentleman surname Green who pioneered this in the 1980s.

[steinkrieg]

Jim,

Coincidentally, I was just reading your book and the section about AC Polarity last night! Would you say the instructions still stand as current? Or, are there other considerations I should take into account.

I know you get it all the time, but your book is THE primer for system set up. Thanks a ton for writing it, and I'm always on the look out for any updates you present.

Cheers