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    Liquid? as an adjective

    I've heard liquid used as an adjective to describe audio gear but don't understand what it means. In context I assume liquid is a good thing, however, in listening to gear that has been said to be liquid, I sort of hear like a glare or shimmer, I don't really like that quality, I've gravitated to cables not so.

    Than I got to wondering if this "glare" or sort of illumination, is what is being called liquid? And, if so, do others like that?
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    Re: Liquid? as an adjective

    Liquid is a sound that has body and the notes just have a natural flow to them with a slight decay which allows the notes to just flow beautifully.

    In my books:

    VAC amp = liquid
    Pass XA.5 = liquid
    McIntosh 2301’s/601’s = liquid
    Gryphon Colosseum = liquid
    Constellation = liquid
    MSB 204 amps = liquid

    Spectral = not liquid
    Audionet = not liquid
    ...a few others, but I don’t want to offend anyone.



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    Re: Liquid? as an adjective

    I have this old link showing Gorden Holts audio meanings and he noted Liquid

    liquid Textureless sound.

    texture, texturing A perceptible pattern or structure in reproduced sound, even if random in nature. Texturing gives the impression that the energy continuum of the sound is composed of discrete particles, like the grain of a photograph.

    And you mentioned glare ; glare An unpleasant quality of hardness or brightness, due to excessive low- or mid-treble energy.

    grainy A moderate texturing of reproduced sound. The sonic equivalent of grain in a photograph. Coarser than dry but finer than gritty.

    gritty A harsh, coarse-grained texturing of reproduced sound. The continuum of energy seems to be composed of discrete, sharp-edged particles.

    I say it all depends on a personal definition.

    http://www.integracoustics.com/MUG/M...-glossary.html

    https://www.head-fi.org/articles/describing-sound-a-glossary.12328/

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    Re: Liquid? as an adjective

    Mike,

    I think this is a meaningful discussion. Would “organic” be interchangeable for “liquid” or do you feel it has another meaning? For the record, I’ve never taken organic or liquid to mean lacking texture. To me they also mean an ease or natural flow to the music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Liquid is a sound that has body and the notes just have a natural flow to them with a slight decay which allows the notes to just flow beautifully.

    In my books:

    VAC amp = liquid
    Pass XA.5 = liquid
    McIntosh 2301’s/601’s = liquid
    Gryphon Colosseum = liquid
    Constellation = liquid
    MSB 204 amps = liquid

    Spectral = not liquid
    Audionet = not liquid
    ...a few others, but I don’t want to offend anyone.



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    Re: Liquid? as an adjective

    After numerous recent online threads about the meaning of words used in the audiophile vocabulary, I have come to the conclusion that audiophiles basically don't agree on the meaning of words that we use to describe what we hear. Everybody has their own definitions for the words they use. This shouldn't be a surprise because audiophiles seldom agree on anything related to audio.
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    Re: Liquid? as an adjective

    Sounds like liquid is something I like and I was on the right track to avoid glare.

    Texture, surprises me, I thought that was a good thing, assigning the term to those cues that make the sound more believable, like tones from horns or woody on stand up bass. Maybe that's all under macro/micro dynamics.

    LOL, maybe we need a standard glossary, like Webster is to dictionary.
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    Re: Liquid? as an adjective

    I've always thought of "organic" as "natural", being able to believe it's more real than electronically reproduced.

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    Mike,

    I think this is a meaningful discussion. Would “organic” be interchangeable for “liquid” or do you feel it has another meaning? For the record, I’ve never taken organic or liquid to mean lacking texture. To me they also mean an ease or natural flow to the music.

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    Re: Liquid? as an adjective

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Peabody View Post
    Sounds like liquid is something I like and I was on the right track to avoid glare.

    Texture, surprises me, I thought that was a good thing, assigning the term to those cues that make the sound more believable, like tones from horns or woody on stand up bass. Maybe that's all under macro/micro dynamics.

    LOL, maybe we need a standard glossary, like Webster is to dictionary.
    Depending on which audiophile you are talking to, texture is a good thing for the reasons you describe. We will never have an accepted standard glossary of audiophile words even though it has been attempted simply because audiophiles would never come to a consensus.
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    Re: Liquid? as an adjective

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Depending on which audiophile you are talking to, texture is a good thing for the reasons you describe. We will never have an accepted standard glossary of audiophile words even though it has been attempted simply because audiophiles would never come to a consensus.
    yep , ya got the Subjective and Objective folks, and most of the time it never works.
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    Re: Liquid? as an adjective

    To me liquid means grain free with a smooth and natural sound.
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