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Thread: Lumin T2
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January 7, 2019, 08:16 AM #1
Lumin T2
http://www.luminmusic.com/lumin-t2.html
The A1 and T1 are being retired and replaced with the new T2. Pricing to be around $4500.
Order one today from Suncoast Audio.My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.
https://suncoastaudio.com/
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January 7, 2019, 08:50 AM #2
Re: Lumin T2
The essence of T2 is: Dual ES9028PRO, DSD512, same processors and FPGA from X1, analog output stage and clocking system derived from X1. The chassis is shaped like the original A1 but is done in a way to fit the T2 pricing. MQA Roon Ready Qobuz Tidal Spotify Connect TuneIn features as before. An internal power supply is used.
In addition to the balanced XLR and unbalanced RCA analog outputs, T2 inherits the X1 feature of being able to be used a streamer to output to an external DAC via USB or BNC-SPDIF.
(The T2 model name always reminds me of Terminator 2 )Peter Lie
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January 7, 2019, 11:00 AM #3
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Re: Lumin T2
I'm (most likely) upgrading....
Speakers: Kroma Thais. Amplifier: Ypsilon Phaethon. Digital: LampizatOr Baltic 3, Lumin U1 Mini. Analog: MoFi Ultradeck, PS Audio Stellar Phono.
Other: Audio-Technica ART9XI, Ansuz, Vertere, Sablon Audio USB/Ethernet/DC, Paul Hynes, IsoAcoustic, UpTone EtherREGEN.
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January 7, 2019, 12:48 PM #4
Re: Lumin T2
Very cool, Peter, looks like the T2 could move ahead of the S1 and I'd bet with an external power supply could even surpass it.
2chl : Vincent Sp331MkII, W4S STP-SE Stage 2, Kef 201/2, KEF 140, Vapor Breeze, Lumin, Bryston CD, BHA-1, Quicksilver Headamp, HD650, HD800s, HD820's, Dan Clark 1.1, Focal Stellia, OPPO 203, 105. ( Boxed up: Pass Xa-30.5, VPI Classic, Dynavector DV-20XL, Manley Chinook, Cadenza Bronze)
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January 7, 2019, 05:57 PM #5
Re: Lumin T2
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Mike
Amplification: MBL 6010D, MBL 9008A Monos
Analog: Kuzma R, Kuzma 4Point (11”), MSL Ultra Eminent EX
Phono Pre: Pass XP-27
Digital: Esoteric N01XD Esoteric K05
Speakers: MBL 101E MKII
Subwoofers: REL Carbon Specials
Conditioner: Shunyata Triton 3
Power Cables: Shunyata Sigma 1 & 2, Alpha 2, Delta and Venom
ICs and SCs: Wireworld Platinum 8
Rack: Artesania Exoteryc
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January 7, 2019, 06:04 PM #6
Re: Lumin T2
Good afternoon friends foreros.Yo with my Lumin D2 I am happy. As you know it sounds very analog, very nice. And I wonder if they change the dac chip (saber 9028) will sound as good as the WOLFSON WM8741? Thank you. Greetings.
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January 7, 2019, 07:07 PM #7
Re: Lumin T2
From the internal pictures the T2 also seems to have omitted the dual Lundahl output transformer coupling of the S1 and X1.
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January 7, 2019, 09:03 PM #8
Re: Lumin T2
In the way we use the terminologies, ES9038PRO, ES9028PRO, and WM8741 are digital to analog conversion (DAC) chips. By "processor" we mean the CPU that deals with the digital signals, file format handling, network protocols, (optional) re-sampling, etc. without conversion to analog.
Peter Lie
LUMIN Firmware Lead
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January 7, 2019, 09:45 PM #9
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January 7, 2019, 09:48 PM #10
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January 7, 2019, 11:45 PM #11
Re: Lumin T2
[CITA = wklie; 258706] Creemos que es mejor. Por favor consigue una audición cuando tengas la oportunidad. Enviamos hoy para que los concesionarios obtengan las primeras unidades en las próximas semanas. [/ QUOTE]
Thank you very much for the reply. Regards
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January 8, 2019, 02:40 AM #12
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January 8, 2019, 07:25 AM #13
Re: Lumin T2
I am from Argentina and there is no official dealer of the brand. On my next trip to LA I will visit upscaleaudio. Thank you. Greetings.
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January 8, 2019, 07:34 AM #14My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.
https://suncoastaudio.com/
Phone: 941-932-0282
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January 13, 2019, 06:33 AM #15
Re: Lumin T2
The T2 will most probably be my next upgrade from the D1 with external psu I have at the moment.
I always think (before upgrading anything) how can it get any better?
I'm always surprisedBoenicke Audio W11 Speakers with SwingBase; MFA Baby Reference V2 Passive Preamp; Lumin T2; Nord One SE UP NC500DM Stereo; SRM Arezzo Turntable; Ortofon 2M Blue; Michael Fidler MM Pro; 2 x REL S/510; Van Damme Blue series/Mark Grant
ATMOS/DTS X 5.1.4: Sony VPL-VW290ES; 103" Screen Excellence Enlightor Neo; Arcam AVR390; Nakamichi AVP1; Sony UBP-X800M2; XTZ Cinema Series: M6, S5, S2; XTZ 12.17 Sub
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January 13, 2019, 07:58 AM #16
Re: Lumin T2
I use the BubbleUPnP app.
Is my current Playlist saved on the Lumin or app?
Just wondering if I upgrade to the T2?Boenicke Audio W11 Speakers with SwingBase; MFA Baby Reference V2 Passive Preamp; Lumin T2; Nord One SE UP NC500DM Stereo; SRM Arezzo Turntable; Ortofon 2M Blue; Michael Fidler MM Pro; 2 x REL S/510; Van Damme Blue series/Mark Grant
ATMOS/DTS X 5.1.4: Sony VPL-VW290ES; 103" Screen Excellence Enlightor Neo; Arcam AVR390; Nakamichi AVP1; Sony UBP-X800M2; XTZ Cinema Series: M6, S5, S2; XTZ 12.17 Sub
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January 13, 2019, 08:50 AM #17
Re: Lumin T2
Is there one model above the T2, which is the top of the range?
Boenicke Audio W11 Speakers with SwingBase; MFA Baby Reference V2 Passive Preamp; Lumin T2; Nord One SE UP NC500DM Stereo; SRM Arezzo Turntable; Ortofon 2M Blue; Michael Fidler MM Pro; 2 x REL S/510; Van Damme Blue series/Mark Grant
ATMOS/DTS X 5.1.4: Sony VPL-VW290ES; 103" Screen Excellence Enlightor Neo; Arcam AVR390; Nakamichi AVP1; Sony UBP-X800M2; XTZ Cinema Series: M6, S5, S2; XTZ 12.17 Sub
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January 13, 2019, 08:50 AM #18My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.
https://suncoastaudio.com/
Phone: 941-932-0282
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/
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January 13, 2019, 10:34 AM #19
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Re: Lumin T2
I am very curious to compare the T1 to the T2. I have the T1. Both the T1 and the A1 have external power supplies which I understood contributed significantly to the sound quality of these units. I am wondering how the internal switching power supply will compare. Seems like this is somewhat of a trade off. I will be interested to hear what others think...and particularly interested to hear from someone (Mike) who is able to do a side by side listening comparison.
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January 13, 2019, 10:02 PM #20
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If you use BubbleUPnP app you'll need to find out whether the app itself supports some sort of playlist backup function.
In case the Bubble is using OpenHome (especially if you use Bubble DS Next) instead of just UPnP to control the Lumin player, then the current playlist also resides in the Lumin hardware - this makes it possible to use Lumin app to save the current playlist to the iPad and back up to iCloud. When you upgrade the Lumin player hardware, the playlist can be restored from iPad to the new player hardware.Peter Lie
LUMIN Firmware Lead
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January 14, 2019, 07:03 AM #21
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BubbleUPnP does use OpenHome but I've been told by the designer of BubbleUPnP that his Android app does not save the Playlist.
I have the Android Lumin app installed which I only use to update the Lumin firmware.
Can I use the Lumin Android app to save my current playlist and be able to transfer it to the BubbleUPnP app?Boenicke Audio W11 Speakers with SwingBase; MFA Baby Reference V2 Passive Preamp; Lumin T2; Nord One SE UP NC500DM Stereo; SRM Arezzo Turntable; Ortofon 2M Blue; Michael Fidler MM Pro; 2 x REL S/510; Van Damme Blue series/Mark Grant
ATMOS/DTS X 5.1.4: Sony VPL-VW290ES; 103" Screen Excellence Enlightor Neo; Arcam AVR390; Nakamichi AVP1; Sony UBP-X800M2; XTZ Cinema Series: M6, S5, S2; XTZ 12.17 Sub
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January 14, 2019, 09:52 AM #22
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Not sure. You may do some test by using the Lumin app to backup the playlist first.
Peter Lie
LUMIN Firmware Lead
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January 14, 2019, 10:26 AM #23
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How do I save a playlist with the Lumin app?
Boenicke Audio W11 Speakers with SwingBase; MFA Baby Reference V2 Passive Preamp; Lumin T2; Nord One SE UP NC500DM Stereo; SRM Arezzo Turntable; Ortofon 2M Blue; Michael Fidler MM Pro; 2 x REL S/510; Van Damme Blue series/Mark Grant
ATMOS/DTS X 5.1.4: Sony VPL-VW290ES; 103" Screen Excellence Enlightor Neo; Arcam AVR390; Nakamichi AVP1; Sony UBP-X800M2; XTZ Cinema Series: M6, S5, S2; XTZ 12.17 Sub
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January 14, 2019, 02:58 PM #24
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Just ordered a T2.
Wasn't going to but had a good discount, so went for it.
Fingers crossed there's a noticeable difference to the D1 I have.Boenicke Audio W11 Speakers with SwingBase; MFA Baby Reference V2 Passive Preamp; Lumin T2; Nord One SE UP NC500DM Stereo; SRM Arezzo Turntable; Ortofon 2M Blue; Michael Fidler MM Pro; 2 x REL S/510; Van Damme Blue series/Mark Grant
ATMOS/DTS X 5.1.4: Sony VPL-VW290ES; 103" Screen Excellence Enlightor Neo; Arcam AVR390; Nakamichi AVP1; Sony UBP-X800M2; XTZ Cinema Series: M6, S5, S2; XTZ 12.17 Sub
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January 14, 2019, 03:41 PM #25
Re: Lumin T2
This is a very interesting piece and would be a perfect endpoint to support my whole home system if it had build in wireless communications.
Jim
D'Agostino Momentum M-400's MxV’s & HD Pre-amp
Wilson Alexandria X2 Series 2 speakers
Digital: dCS Vivaldi APEX DAC, Clock & Upsampler
Analog: SME 20/3 with Esoteric E-03 Phono
Transparent Opus Speaker Cable & Interconnects & Opus Power Cords
Power Cords on Digital: Shunyata
Power Conditioner - Shunyata Everest
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January 14, 2019, 03:57 PM #26
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Jim
Pretty easy to resolve the wireless part with this or something like it. Has worked for me for several years.
https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Exten...eless+extenderMain - JVC QL-Y7/Denon DL-301 Mk II, Gold Note PH-10, Jays CDT3 Mk3 , Auralic Aries G2.2, Holo May KTE, Supratek Cabernet, Kinki Studio EX-B7 monoblocks, Verity Audio Otello, (2) Rythmik F12SE, Audio Envy IC, SC & PC's, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Inakustik USB and I2S, (2) Puritan Audio Labs PSM-156 with Groundmaster City, Timbernation rack
Family Room - Oppo UDP-203, Auralic Aries, Aqua La Voce S3, Kinki Studio EX-M1+, Nola KO, (2) Rythmik F-12G, Wireworld SC & IC's, Neotech PC's, SurgeX SA-1810
Greenville, SC- Jays CDT2 Mk 3, Auralic Aries G1, Holo Spring 3 KTE, Supratek Chardonnay, Odyssey Audio Kismet Reference, Rosso Fiorentino Volterra 2, (2) RSL Speedwoofers, iFi Audio Power Station, Wireworld IC's, Inakustik USB and I2s, Triode Wire Lab SC, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Furutech NCF Clear Line, Timbernation rack.
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January 14, 2019, 04:47 PM #27
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Hi there. You can save a playlist via the button shown here:
http://www.luminmusic.com/images/app-playlist-save.png
Taken from these instructions:
http://www.luminmusic.com/support-app.html#playlist[Associated with LUMIN]
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January 14, 2019, 05:03 PM #28
Re: Lumin T2
Jim
D'Agostino Momentum M-400's MxV’s & HD Pre-amp
Wilson Alexandria X2 Series 2 speakers
Digital: dCS Vivaldi APEX DAC, Clock & Upsampler
Analog: SME 20/3 with Esoteric E-03 Phono
Transparent Opus Speaker Cable & Interconnects & Opus Power Cords
Power Cords on Digital: Shunyata
Power Conditioner - Shunyata Everest
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January 14, 2019, 05:18 PM #29
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Jim
It's worth a try and from Amazon if it doesn't work any better send it back.Main - JVC QL-Y7/Denon DL-301 Mk II, Gold Note PH-10, Jays CDT3 Mk3 , Auralic Aries G2.2, Holo May KTE, Supratek Cabernet, Kinki Studio EX-B7 monoblocks, Verity Audio Otello, (2) Rythmik F12SE, Audio Envy IC, SC & PC's, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Inakustik USB and I2S, (2) Puritan Audio Labs PSM-156 with Groundmaster City, Timbernation rack
Family Room - Oppo UDP-203, Auralic Aries, Aqua La Voce S3, Kinki Studio EX-M1+, Nola KO, (2) Rythmik F-12G, Wireworld SC & IC's, Neotech PC's, SurgeX SA-1810
Greenville, SC- Jays CDT2 Mk 3, Auralic Aries G1, Holo Spring 3 KTE, Supratek Chardonnay, Odyssey Audio Kismet Reference, Rosso Fiorentino Volterra 2, (2) RSL Speedwoofers, iFi Audio Power Station, Wireworld IC's, Inakustik USB and I2s, Triode Wire Lab SC, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Furutech NCF Clear Line, Timbernation rack.
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January 14, 2019, 07:27 PM #30
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January 15, 2019, 12:44 AM #31
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January 15, 2019, 01:07 AM #32
Re: Lumin T2
The settings I already have on the Lumin app, will these be sent to the T2 when the app is launched or will I have to input them again?
Boenicke Audio W11 Speakers with SwingBase; MFA Baby Reference V2 Passive Preamp; Lumin T2; Nord One SE UP NC500DM Stereo; SRM Arezzo Turntable; Ortofon 2M Blue; Michael Fidler MM Pro; 2 x REL S/510; Van Damme Blue series/Mark Grant
ATMOS/DTS X 5.1.4: Sony VPL-VW290ES; 103" Screen Excellence Enlightor Neo; Arcam AVR390; Nakamichi AVP1; Sony UBP-X800M2; XTZ Cinema Series: M6, S5, S2; XTZ 12.17 Sub
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January 15, 2019, 02:34 AM #33
Re: Lumin T2
The settings will need to be re-adjusted, and Tidal/Qobuz login too.
Peter Lie
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January 15, 2019, 04:48 AM #34
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Was going to save the Playlist but I'm using the app on an Android mobile and the Lumin app doesn't work very well on it.
I can't see the 'save' button.
I need to rotate my mobile but it won't rotate. Not sure if it's the mobile that is stopping it from rotating or the app itself?
I could buy a second hand mini iPad but I really can't be bothered just to do this one thing.Boenicke Audio W11 Speakers with SwingBase; MFA Baby Reference V2 Passive Preamp; Lumin T2; Nord One SE UP NC500DM Stereo; SRM Arezzo Turntable; Ortofon 2M Blue; Michael Fidler MM Pro; 2 x REL S/510; Van Damme Blue series/Mark Grant
ATMOS/DTS X 5.1.4: Sony VPL-VW290ES; 103" Screen Excellence Enlightor Neo; Arcam AVR390; Nakamichi AVP1; Sony UBP-X800M2; XTZ Cinema Series: M6, S5, S2; XTZ 12.17 Sub
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January 16, 2019, 01:45 AM #35
Re: Lumin T2
What is the X1 technology that Lumin mention that the T2 has?
Boenicke Audio W11 Speakers with SwingBase; MFA Baby Reference V2 Passive Preamp; Lumin T2; Nord One SE UP NC500DM Stereo; SRM Arezzo Turntable; Ortofon 2M Blue; Michael Fidler MM Pro; 2 x REL S/510; Van Damme Blue series/Mark Grant
ATMOS/DTS X 5.1.4: Sony VPL-VW290ES; 103" Screen Excellence Enlightor Neo; Arcam AVR390; Nakamichi AVP1; Sony UBP-X800M2; XTZ Cinema Series: M6, S5, S2; XTZ 12.17 Sub
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January 16, 2019, 02:04 AM #36
Re: Lumin T2
Rather than reiterating post #2 and post #31, I'll put this in another way: T2 is the result of bringing X1 design to an aggressive price point. Some costly nice-to-have components have been changed (such as the really expensive chassis), but the essence of what significantly contributes to SQ is there.
For the playlist backup need on Android, I'll try to send you a beta version with an improved GUI (so it is more clear) by tomorrow after doing some verification.Peter Lie
LUMIN Firmware Lead
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January 16, 2019, 02:06 AM #37
Re: Lumin T2
Today's batch of T2 has already been fully allocated to distributors worldwide. There is one last batch of T2 before Lunar New Year, so place your orders now otherwise there may be a delay in getting one!
Peter Lie
LUMIN Firmware Lead
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January 16, 2019, 04:06 AM #38Boenicke Audio W11 Speakers with SwingBase; MFA Baby Reference V2 Passive Preamp; Lumin T2; Nord One SE UP NC500DM Stereo; SRM Arezzo Turntable; Ortofon 2M Blue; Michael Fidler MM Pro; 2 x REL S/510; Van Damme Blue series/Mark Grant
ATMOS/DTS X 5.1.4: Sony VPL-VW290ES; 103" Screen Excellence Enlightor Neo; Arcam AVR390; Nakamichi AVP1; Sony UBP-X800M2; XTZ Cinema Series: M6, S5, S2; XTZ 12.17 Sub
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January 16, 2019, 04:16 AM #39
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January 16, 2019, 04:17 AM #40Boenicke Audio W11 Speakers with SwingBase; MFA Baby Reference V2 Passive Preamp; Lumin T2; Nord One SE UP NC500DM Stereo; SRM Arezzo Turntable; Ortofon 2M Blue; Michael Fidler MM Pro; 2 x REL S/510; Van Damme Blue series/Mark Grant
ATMOS/DTS X 5.1.4: Sony VPL-VW290ES; 103" Screen Excellence Enlightor Neo; Arcam AVR390; Nakamichi AVP1; Sony UBP-X800M2; XTZ Cinema Series: M6, S5, S2; XTZ 12.17 Sub
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January 16, 2019, 04:47 AM #41
Re: Lumin T2
Boenicke Audio W11 Speakers with SwingBase; MFA Baby Reference V2 Passive Preamp; Lumin T2; Nord One SE UP NC500DM Stereo; SRM Arezzo Turntable; Ortofon 2M Blue; Michael Fidler MM Pro; 2 x REL S/510; Van Damme Blue series/Mark Grant
ATMOS/DTS X 5.1.4: Sony VPL-VW290ES; 103" Screen Excellence Enlightor Neo; Arcam AVR390; Nakamichi AVP1; Sony UBP-X800M2; XTZ Cinema Series: M6, S5, S2; XTZ 12.17 Sub
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January 16, 2019, 04:54 AM #42
Re: Lumin T2
Playlist Save is instantaneous.
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January 16, 2019, 04:58 AM #43
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Speakers: Kroma Thais. Amplifier: Ypsilon Phaethon. Digital: LampizatOr Baltic 3, Lumin U1 Mini. Analog: MoFi Ultradeck, PS Audio Stellar Phono.
Other: Audio-Technica ART9XI, Ansuz, Vertere, Sablon Audio USB/Ethernet/DC, Paul Hynes, IsoAcoustic, UpTone EtherREGEN.
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January 16, 2019, 05:02 AM #44
Re: Lumin T2
Boenicke Audio W11 Speakers with SwingBase; MFA Baby Reference V2 Passive Preamp; Lumin T2; Nord One SE UP NC500DM Stereo; SRM Arezzo Turntable; Ortofon 2M Blue; Michael Fidler MM Pro; 2 x REL S/510; Van Damme Blue series/Mark Grant
ATMOS/DTS X 5.1.4: Sony VPL-VW290ES; 103" Screen Excellence Enlightor Neo; Arcam AVR390; Nakamichi AVP1; Sony UBP-X800M2; XTZ Cinema Series: M6, S5, S2; XTZ 12.17 Sub
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January 18, 2019, 10:56 AM #45
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Has anyone compared the Lumin T2 with the Aurender A100. They seem to be similar priced.
Pre amp: Ocatve Phono Module Power amps: Octave MRE130 Turntable: SAC Girati Grande. Tonearm: Dynavector 507mkII Cartridge: Dynavector Ikeda 9TT Streamer: Aurender A10 Power Distributor: Anzus Mains D8 Speakers: Raidho X-3 Speaker Cables: AudioQuest Rocket 88 XLR Interlink: Ansuz A2, [B]XLR Interlink: [B]Phono interlink: Cammino Serie 1.0 - PH 1.0s Power cables: Anzus Mains Ceramic, two Pom, Aluminium, X series Audio Rack: Rack of Silence 4 and 2.
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January 18, 2019, 11:14 AM #46
Re: Lumin T2
Note that T2 supports DSD512 (so you can play downloaded DSD256 music or use Audirvana or Roon to do DSD512 upsampling) and balanced analog output - if your preamp supports a balanced input that is usually a better choice. Lumin is Roon Ready, and allows you to use alternative control UI. Comparing a dual ES9028PRO design with a single AK4490, the theoretical advantage on paper is obvious. So I don't consider functionality and DAC design to be on the same level. To the other product's credit, they do have internal storage for music, which Lumin players do not.
Peter Lie
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January 19, 2019, 05:03 AM #47
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I'm not a fan of DSD nor of Roon I both consider them a bit meh. Also Sabre DAC are IMHO a bit over hyped. None of the best DACs (EMM labs, dCS, Schiit and Metrum) I've heard uses Sabre DACs. But maybe I should be more open minded. Also EMMlabs and dCS are way out of my price range.
Please do not think that I say Lumin isn't good. Ive heard Lumin at my dealer and I'm especially impressed with the new D2 and U1 mini.
If my dealer will have the T2 on stock I will give it a serious listen. To be honest I'm still a bit on the fence if a dac/streamer in one box is the way to go. But it safes room in my rack and it safes on cables.Pre amp: Ocatve Phono Module Power amps: Octave MRE130 Turntable: SAC Girati Grande. Tonearm: Dynavector 507mkII Cartridge: Dynavector Ikeda 9TT Streamer: Aurender A10 Power Distributor: Anzus Mains D8 Speakers: Raidho X-3 Speaker Cables: AudioQuest Rocket 88 XLR Interlink: Ansuz A2, [B]XLR Interlink: [B]Phono interlink: Cammino Serie 1.0 - PH 1.0s Power cables: Anzus Mains Ceramic, two Pom, Aluminium, X series Audio Rack: Rack of Silence 4 and 2.
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January 19, 2019, 05:32 AM #48
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Re: Lumin T2
I've been nothing but happy and very satisfied with my D2, I've really come to appreciate the whole idea of streamer and DAC of equal high quality in a one box solution. Savings on both power and signal cables almost covers the whole cost of the unit and I do believe there are SQ benefits to this as well. I wouldn't stare too much at specific DAC chip and wether you "like it or not", as I believe it's also very much about the actual implementation and how you use it, it's not like all DAC's with a specific chip sounds the same.
I bought the D2 while waiting for the T2 to be released as I felt the older models were becoming a bit dated hardware wise, and maybe also to give Lumin a try before investing too much. The D2 really took me by surprise, a lot of bang for the bucks so to speak and I can't say that I really miss much. I wasn't really looking for a new streamer/dac, but now when the T2 is finally here I cannot resist going for it, it seems by the specs to be everything I wished for.
I'm not using the Lumin app though, I'm a convinced Roon user and that's the way I want a streamer to work, to just be a reciever or endpoint, similar to what Spotify Connect is doing also. In the future I hope all major streaming services like Tidal and Qobuz will work like this also, making software for the hardware devices redundant because how hard they try, they will never be able to keep up with the UI's of these streaming services own solutions.
If I were you @Mordante, I would not hesitate to test the T2 properly when it arrives at your dealer.Speakers: Kroma Thais. Amplifier: Ypsilon Phaethon. Digital: LampizatOr Baltic 3, Lumin U1 Mini. Analog: MoFi Ultradeck, PS Audio Stellar Phono.
Other: Audio-Technica ART9XI, Ansuz, Vertere, Sablon Audio USB/Ethernet/DC, Paul Hynes, IsoAcoustic, UpTone EtherREGEN.
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January 19, 2019, 06:00 AM #49
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Re: Lumin T2
I think the software that comes with the streamer for me is deal maker/breaker. I expect the software to be good and I expect regular updates. Buy 3rd party software, no thank you. My NAS isn't powerful enough to run software like Roon and the idea that i would have to buy a computer and keep it running all the time to run streaming software seems odd to me.
Pre amp: Ocatve Phono Module Power amps: Octave MRE130 Turntable: SAC Girati Grande. Tonearm: Dynavector 507mkII Cartridge: Dynavector Ikeda 9TT Streamer: Aurender A10 Power Distributor: Anzus Mains D8 Speakers: Raidho X-3 Speaker Cables: AudioQuest Rocket 88 XLR Interlink: Ansuz A2, [B]XLR Interlink: [B]Phono interlink: Cammino Serie 1.0 - PH 1.0s Power cables: Anzus Mains Ceramic, two Pom, Aluminium, X series Audio Rack: Rack of Silence 4 and 2.
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January 19, 2019, 06:11 AM #50
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Well, to me it's the other way around, using a hardware vendors UI is making me feel locked in and limited, where Roon and Spotify Connect is giving me the freedom of using what I want, I can change streamer in a second without having any dependencies, libraries or playlists to be concerned about. I can see that it looks simple and convenient to you, and it's good that a UI is provided of course, but I sincerely hope that the future of streaming is moving more towards technologies like Roon and Spotify Connect as I described above, where the streamer is just playing what you tell it to play, from wherever, in highest possible quality. But, we're not really there yet, and unless you want to use Roon or Spotify, your current option is to go with a streamer UI that you like. I think the Lumin app has got some praise, but I haven't really bothered looking myself as I have no interest in it.
Speakers: Kroma Thais. Amplifier: Ypsilon Phaethon. Digital: LampizatOr Baltic 3, Lumin U1 Mini. Analog: MoFi Ultradeck, PS Audio Stellar Phono.
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