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    Re: Playing beyond it's price point

    Are you speaking of a dedicated computer with nothing to do but play music? I'm not even sure that can even be done with a computer as it would look for updates etc. and always have some background jobs going on.

    Wouldn't a stand alone streamer have an advantage with only having one dedicated job to do and being specialized to do that one job?

    Or, maybe streamers are just for guys like me that really don't want to have anything to do with a computer while listening to music. I suppose there's an argument whether using my IPhone and streamer is a computer but it's not, not in the same way.
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    Re: Playing beyond it's price point

    I dedicate a computer to my music... it is a music server in every way in my view. I have turned off unnecessary services and have very limited software installed. I do allow for updates because the machine has to be on the Internet for Roon updates. The machine does nothing but server my music files and therefore does not need extra software installed... I do not even connect a monitor, keyboard, or mouse to the machine. I use Remote Desktop from my controller machines or my laptop to load new music or if I ever (rarely) need to do any maintenance on the machine.

    The way I figure it a true powerful computer you might want to compare to a Ferrari while many pre-built music servers have the power of a Pinto, in a comparison. Even the few extra clock cycles that the machine might need to perform is virtually nothing compared to extra power in the machine. I have seen many custom built music servers with a fraction of the power but at many times higher price tags.
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    Re: Playing beyond it's price point

    Seems like a sensitive topic. Not interested in participating with the way it’s going. Keep doing what you’re doing, it’s all good.

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    Mine is a Pinto. Very little power. 6 watts. It is specifically designed to play music. It has 5 linear PS in it. The MB and SSD are on vibration isolation stands. There are multiple steel walls dividing the sections of the machine keeping noise pollution from contaminating adjacent sections. Even the case metal was finished with a material that provides its own level of isolation. AO keeps if from updating windows. If I want to update software such as Roon I open my Roon account and tell it to update. It came with a Linux OS but I had it changed out to MS. I like the sound better. I think. I may drop a new MSATA OS into the motherboard and change out the SSD to see how the performance compares. The original Linux OS was running JRiver. I did not like that configuration. I did like the HQPlayer on the Linux OS, but I was not able to get Roon working right. I hear Roon does not like to play friendly in server mode when one machine is Linux and the controlling machine is MS. They failed to hold a connection. Linux is also an unfriendly environment to work in unless you have a software background. MS is much easier for me to configure the communication on the network. You know what I really like about my machine, it not only sounds amazing, but I can also play Spotify, Pandora, Primephonic, Deezer or any radio station I want to listen too. I have 0 limitations. For the $4,500 I spent, I am very happy. When I sent it for an upgrade and installed my Asus laptop, you really heard the loss of musicality. I was surprised at the bass from the Asus, but the midrange and highs were flat and uninviting. Just dull and lacking magic.

    Even with all that goes into my server, the Linear Solution "Endpoint" stepped up the game. Better definition of instruments with a more clean intelligible high end. Bass was pretty much unchanged. That was with the Wall Wort PS. I have a linear PS to use and it is suppose to improve the performance even more.

    My machine is not designed to upsample. 6 watts in not enough power to compute properly. I have to do some more research, to fully understand Roon. I think in server mode the upsampling would happen in my office PC that is controlling the core. IF that is the case, then upsamping would be no problem. For me it's not really an issue. I only have PCM 24/192 on my DAC. Hence I like Qobuz.

    You know whats really kind of funny. All the fiddling on the digital front end at some point becomes minute improvements. It's damb fine now and hard to make better. I have been offered a large upgrade to my preamp for $2,000. The last time I upgraded the preamp for $700 my jaw hit the floor. It was that big a gain. Why I "F" around with miniscule improvements for $1000 to $2000 and don't get the preamp modded. Sometimes I just don't get myself.
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    Re: Playing beyond it's price point

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    Re: Playing beyond it's price point

    Everything is the best until you experience something better.
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    Re: Playing beyond it's price point

    I heard the Dynaudio the other day. For $7,500, very nice. I really don't know what speakers play beyond a price point. Many new ones today sound great when configured correct. They are doing a better and better job of getting the box out of the sound.

    I tried to look up some info on the
    T+A Criterion 2200’s. I don't get all the guys posting on YouTube. Playing a song then saying wow, wasn't that great. Sure it sounded great through my Panasonic tv speakers. I love the OCD Hifi guy, but he does the same thing all the time. Plays comparisons between amps, speakers what have you. Can anyone here actually get any sort of taste for what anything sounds like through YouTube?
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    Re: Playing beyond it's price point

    Any NAD integrated amps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingrex View Post
    Mine is a Pinto. Very little power. 6 watts. It is specifically designed to play music. It has 5 linear PS in it. The MB and SSD are on vibration isolation stands. There are multiple steel walls dividing the sections of the machine keeping noise pollution from contaminating adjacent sections. Even the case metal was finished with a material that provides its own level of isolation. AO keeps if from updating windows. If I want to update software such as Roon I open my Roon account and tell it to update. It came with a Linux OS but I had it changed out to MS. I like the sound better. I think. I may drop a new MSATA OS into the motherboard and change out the SSD to see how the performance compares. The original Linux OS was running JRiver. I did not like that configuration. I did like the HQPlayer on the Linux OS, but I was not able to get Roon working right. I hear Roon does not like to play friendly in server mode when one machine is Linux and the controlling machine is MS. They failed to hold a connection. Linux is also an unfriendly environment to work in unless you have a software background. MS is much easier for me to configure the communication on the network. You know what I really like about my machine, it not only sounds amazing, but I can also play Spotify, Pandora, Primephonic, Deezer or any radio station I want to listen too. I have 0 limitations. For the $4,500 I spent, I am very happy. When I sent it for an upgrade and installed my Asus laptop, you really heard the loss of musicality. I was surprised at the bass from the Asus, but the midrange and highs were flat and uninviting. Just dull and lacking magic.

    Even with all that goes into my server, the Linear Solution "Endpoint" stepped up the game. Better definition of instruments with a more clean intelligible high end. Bass was pretty much unchanged. That was with the Wall Wort PS. I have a linear PS to use and it is suppose to improve the performance even more.

    My machine is not designed to upsample. 6 watts in not enough power to compute properly. I have to do some more research, to fully understand Roon. I think in server mode the upsampling would happen in my office PC that is controlling the core. IF that is the case, then upsamping would be no problem. For me it's not really an issue. I only have PCM 24/192 on my DAC. Hence I like Qobuz.

    You know whats really kind of funny. All the fiddling on the digital front end at some point becomes minute improvements. It's damb fine now and hard to make better. I have been offered a large upgrade to my preamp for $2,000. The last time I upgraded the preamp for $700 my jaw hit the floor. It was that big a gain. Why I "F" around with miniscule improvements for $1000 to $2000 and don't get the preamp modded. Sometimes I just don't get myself.
    Well Rex, it sounds like your computer is a whole lot more than a Pinto (remember the Ford Pinto is my default junk car for analogies)... sounds like you have a machine that would be closer to a Ferrari .... not sure what you mean by 6 watts though... I was referring to computer power, CPU, RAM, Mobo, SSD, etc.


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    Re: Playing beyond it's price point

    Quote Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post
    Seems like a sensitive topic. Not interested in participating with the way it’s going. Keep doing what you’re doing, it’s all good.
    It is just a friendly discussion. No one is being rude or disrespectful to other members. People are simply offering their opinions and experiences.

    Enjoy your music and system how it best suits you... that is really all that matters.
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