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    Re: Playing beyond it's price point

    Another device that draws my attention is the iFi Audio Pro iDSD.
    It gets raving reviews in Stereophile, Hifi Critic (a magazine that I trust, as it doesn't need ads to survive), Hifi News.
    Stereo (Germany) is less enthusiastic but still gives a solid 88%.

    Any first hand experiences here?
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    Re: Playing beyond it's price point

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingrex View Post
    Cord or not, it's amazing to put a $3k dac as a toss up to a $34k.

    There is a lot of T&A talk as well as Ygg talk. Is there any good head to head on the two.
    Hey Rex, I did find one pretty good comparison between the Yggy and the T+A... The reviewer was actually comparing with the Benchmark, but did a decent, short comparison with the Yggy.

    "Schiit’s Yggdrasil jumped in with a more competitive sound but a feature set well short of the T+A’s or the Benchmark’s. The Yggy needs a preamp -- it has no volume control -- can’t process DSD, and offers no alternative digital filters beyond their custom one. I restored to the system my Hegel P20 preamp, set the output of the DAC 8 DSD to line level, and listened for differences. The ultimate resolution of the DAC 8 was reduced by the additional analog processing, with now a slight softness to the sound. The Schiit provided a much more musical sound than the Benchmark, sounding far more like the T+A with Bez2 filter engaged. The Yggy had a wider but shallower soundstage than the DAC 8 DSD, Harry’s voice sounding a bit narrower and set farther back in the soundstage, making the Schiit sound more laid-back in comparison. Female voices sounded similar through the Schiit and T+A, and both DACs produced well-defined, three-dimensional central aural images. Both also offered similar levels of bass impact, the Yggy more than able to keep up with the T+A’s pace and timing. The clarity of both DACs’ sound was high, as was their sense of musicality. Still, the Schiit offers no choice of digital filter and can’t play DSD, and requires a traditional preamp to remain in the signal chain. With the almost-twice-as-expensive T+A DAC, you get what you pay for."

    He seems to like it better than the Benchmark but felt it feel short of the T+A from what I read in the review. Here is the full review:

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    Re: Playing beyond it's price point

    I really liked the Virtue Audio Tripath amps. Did well with my Piega TC 70x coax speakers. A little rolled off in the highs, smooth midrange a bit thick and fine bass with control.

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    Re: Playing beyond it's price point

    Welcome to the forum Dave, thank you for joining.
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    Re: Playing beyond it's price point

    Thanks for the welcome. I think I joined months ago, but just woke up today. Time is scarce to get too involved in forums, but I joined out of respect for Mike. He aided me in elevating my system last year.

    Seems like a fun/nice place here.
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    Playing beyond it's price point

    Comparing Yggy with DAC8 has to go beyond DAC only comparison. What I mean by that is the best configuration for DAC8 requires HQ Player upsampling to DSD512, which means a Windows PC that isn’t designed for music playback. To those us who has ever switched from PC/Mac to a dedicated music server (Aurender, Lumin, Melco, Innous, etc), we know the improvement isn’t subtle and it’s a whole different world altogether. So, unless DAC8 is fed by a dedicated music server that can upsample everything to DSD512, I don’t see how DAC8 could become attractive to those who use dedicated music servers.

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    Re: Playing beyond it's price point

    One thing that I believe you are missing is that a Windows machine can definitely be built and configured to work as an amazing music server. I would put my configuration against most any dedicated music servers out there (unless you are going many times higher in pricing) and I am very confident that mine would come out the winner. After all, dedicated music servers are in essence computers. Many times using the identical parts internally, but many times using inferior parts, processors, etc. And yes, I am familiar and have worked with several music servers and in my view they were usually much inferior to my Windows PC, in almost every way.

    I would also say that it also depends on what software you are using on your dedicated music server. Many now work perfectly fine with Roon, and even though I think Roon with HQPlayer is better, Roon can in fact up-sample. Also, most every music server can do DSD at least at some level. You do not have to go all the way to DSD512 to appreciate how good the dedicated 1-bit processor is.

    A friend of mine, who writes for Stereophile, did a review of the T+A DAC 8 DSD. He uses a Meridian server that does not even do DSD. He still rated the T+A as one of the best DACs he has ever tried. He even had a couple club members try the DAC to confirm what he was hearing.

    The review I linked above that compared against the Yaggy was comparing in PCM and still rated it equivalent if not better than the Yaggy, but with all of the other capabilities was worth a ton more, in their view.
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    Re: Playing beyond it's price point

    You know Randy, it's funny how so many people forget every Aurender, Lumn, Linn, Sonor, antipodes etc is just a computer. It's like people think there's point to point wiring and a tube in there. Every single one is a case, PCB, CPU, RAM, PS and software. And just because most run Linux does not mean that OS is superior. Alrainbow has talked extensively about the sound of OS. Maybe in the end the OS sound comes down to preference, but my understanding is most producers use Linux as it's easy. You don't have to fight the MS software, you dont need AO. You dont have customers complaining the OS updated and nothing works.

    I have used PC based machines and find they sound great. I have also looked on line at the multitude of images of the internals of many of the most popular brands. Most are built quite well, but are still always a computer .

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    Re: Playing beyond it's price point

    I agree in that no matter what OS is on the machine they are all still using the same hardware.

    It is the same as people saying that you can not get as good of sound out of USB as some other ports. To this I also say balderdash. I use AudioQuest Coffee USB cables, a W4S Recovery (actually the first one off their assembly line) and an Ipower linear power supply and it sounds amazing!
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    Re: Playing beyond it's price point

    I'm also USB. It sounds great. AES is suppose to be good to. So is I2S if done right.

    I'm thinking of getting Adrian's Linear Soulution Audiophile Streamer. While I don't know that it plays beyond its price point. It plays solidly to it. Austionpop reviewed it in Audiophile Style. I also gave my impression of it there too. It is appearing to be a benefit to separate the load amoungst devices for optimum digital playback.

    People seem to get tied up on the DAC. They forget everything that feeds the DAC. I still take issue with the Roon NUC. It's a great multi purpose device, but I don't think it is the best as far as performance. Now maybe there is something special about the Select II with the streaming card installed that negates everything in front of it. However, the rest of us don't have that quality of DAC and our equipment is affected by the source. IMO. I even asked Adrian if I had wasted money on a good server to feed his Audiophile Streamer. He said absolutely not. The better the source, the better the performance from the streamer. It all matters. FYI, there are builders taking the NUC and altering the PS. I have not heard to what affect at this time, but there is a push to better the basic box.
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