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    Re: Magico M2

    Congrats Mike, enjoy!!!

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    Congrats, Mike!

    Hope they are easy to break in and you can enjoy them quickly. I look forward to your impressions.

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    Re: Magico M2

    You would never think a simple crate could look so good... unless it contained a Magico!
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    Re: Magico M2

    Hey Mike - I know you are still traveling, I can bring those home and break them in for you! ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post


    My Magico M2’s arrive!


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    Nice try, Mike! I don’t know why Magico sent them to you first though as I live half an hour away from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post
    Nice try, Mike! I don’t know why Magico sent them to you first though as I live half an hour away from them.
    Ha! And here’s where I am:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Ha! And here’s where I am:



    Venice Italy.

    Had a great team covering for me!


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    Nice! I’m jealous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Nice, I’m jealous Magico M2.


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    Re: Magico M2

    Mike, I was gonna say, Sonus faber territory.

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    One thing I might say about the carpentry of the wooden shipping crates. I find it odd that they nail from the thick bracing timbers into the thin ply sheet. Sometimes leaves sharp nail points on the inside of the shipping crate. It seems far more sensible to me to nail from the ply sheet side into the bracing timbers. Then you get the nail head holding it together better, and no sharp points on the inside.

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    There is always a carpenter in every crowd! Lol

    Yep those crates are a real turn off........
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    I've had 3 sets of Magico speaker crates here. I wouldn't be surprised if they were all made by the same person. They really should redesign them for flat packing storage.

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    Actually I opted for the MCast instead of Mcoats S3Mk2’s not only because of costs but the fact they are packed in cardboard boxes which are more manageable to store specially in small spaces.
    And you never know when the upgrade bug will hit and and you need to have those boxes or it becomes a real hassle and expense to get new ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dguitarnut View Post
    Actually I opted for the MCast instead of Mcoats S3Mk2’s not only because of costs but the fact they are packed in cardboard boxes which are more manageable to store specially in small spaces.
    And you never know when the upgrade bug will hit and and you need to have those boxes or it becomes a real hassle and expense to get new ones.
    Upgrade bug? You know Larry, these M2’s will work fabulously in your room. Magico M2


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    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    One thing I might say about the carpentry of the wooden shipping crates. I find it odd that they nail from the thick bracing timbers into the thin ply sheet. Sometimes leaves sharp nail points on the inside of the shipping crate. It seems far more sensible to me to nail from the ply sheet side into the bracing timbers. Then you get the nail head holding it together better, and no sharp points on the inside.
    Agree. Even better if they used screws. My old Mini 2 crates were works of art.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post


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    I am heading to a local dealer tomorrow to listen to the M2s and possibly S7s. Will definitely compare them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smodtactical View Post
    I am heading to a local dealer tomorrow to listen to the M2s and possibly S7s. Will definitely compare them.
    Been wondering about this comparison. Let us know what you think.


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    Quote Originally Posted by smodtactical View Post
    I am heading to a local dealer tomorrow to listen to the M2s and possibly S7s. Will definitely compare them.
    He’s a great dealer! One of Canada’s finest. My money is on the M2 for your room. Magico M2

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    Will do Mike, thanks.

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    Any Speaker demo update? Did you hear the M2 and S7?

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    Will do Mike, thanks.
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    Spent a lot longer than I thought I would listening to the M2 and S7. It was a great experience.

    M2:

    When I first saw them they looked nice but rather small. I immediately felt… these can’t possible deliver a solid low end. Spoke for a good while with the seller Mark who was extremely kind and helpful. He really knows his stuff and was very welcoming, thanks Mark!

    Anyhow after a bit of an intro and discussing my needs and my current gear I sat down. Please keep in mind that the speakers are in a room that Mark admits is lean and irregularly shaped so they are not 100% ideal. Basically its a basement room that is asymmetric with an opening hall way ‘port’ going far to the right, the listening area I would estimate is about 18 x 24 x 7 feet (but not totally sure). The M2 and S7 were connected to a luxman integrated 300 watt amp with chord dave + mscaler and nordost interconnects and cables.

    First Mark played a Jazz piece by Lee Morgan on his turn table. It sounded solid.. the speakers had very good staging and placement. However there was some slight noise and crackling that sometimes accompanies vinyl sound. I was eager to move to digital.

    Finally we got to move to some digital and thats when I was pretty shocked. Mark played some tracks that he thought were a good demonstration of the speakers prowess.. One of them was one that showed off the speakers bass which was unlike anything I ever heard before. I am not sure if it was the speaker or the track (I have to get the name of it and try to play it on my home system) but there was an ultra precise fast low thumping that vibrated as if I was listening to bass heavy headphones. It felt as if the sound was 1 cm from my ears on both sides. I was really taken aback! I had never heard imaging so good that the sound was perceived to be literally right near to your ears. Suffice it to say the M2 has bass… it is not necessarily the most powerful thumpy bass in the world but its fast and super precise. In techno tracks I listened to (Vonda7 - Don’t hesitate and Steffi - nightspacer) I appreciated the speed and precision of the bass which I was not used to.

    What blew me away the most of these speakers is the holographic soundstage. It was the best I ever heard. Listening to Nicholas gunn - Veracruz the level of immersion was unreal. I could hear hums and tones from this somewhat newage/tribal rhythm that was up and behind my head… it left me feeling completely immersed and engrossed in the sound. Its incredible that such a small speaker can accomplish such a feat. Now of course the rooms were different but I don’t recall such a large and immersive soundstage from even the Stella Utopia Evo I heard 2 weeks back!

    S7:

    Mark then rolled in the S7s, he did note that there not totally optimized in terms of placement and there was a bit of issue with the tilt of them on the feet they had (I think he flipped the L + R ones). They looked impressive and had bright orange ‘lamborhigni’ style paint as Mark put it .

    S7’s also sounded crisp, clear and very detailed but brought a low end authority that I realized then that I was missing on the M2s. This made for a truly exceptional and fun listening experience because it allowed me to play some thumpy techno and be even more engaged. The low rumble still remained taut, fast and crisp which I appreciated. I am really liking the Magico sound signature… if there is one?

    However something was missing. As good as the S7 was, that last bit of transparency, detail and surprisingly soundstage size was missing. The M2 was the superior speaker with respect to these qualities. The difference wasn’t night and day at all but left me just with a feeling that some of the magic that the M2 brought was lost. Reading these words sounds harsh… please do not overanalyze this… the S7 is an amazing speaker. However the M2 is just better a squeezing out every last nuance. Strings plucked in the opening of Celtic Woman - Isle of Isinfree had a sub-shimmer micro detail that has to be heard to be believed. The resolving power of the M2 is truly amazing… the S7 follows close behind!

    I didn’t spend as much time with the S7 as the M2 as I started feeling bad for Mark spending so much time on me… and I had to eventually go home, but I am eager to go back and listen more.

    He also had an A3 and S3 Mk2 which I hope to hear next time. Both the M2 and S7 are very impressive speakers. I urge you to listen to them. I will be coming back to them I am sure as I close in on my final decision on my speaker upgrade.

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    Wow! Excellent write up. Mark is a great guy.

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    Congrats! Glad all went well with the demo. The M2’s are incredible.


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    Congrats! Glad all went well with the demo. The M2’s are incredible.


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    They truly are. I kind of want to hear the M3s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smodtactical View Post
    They truly are. I kind of want to hear the M3s.
    Don’t spin your wheels too much. If you like the M2’s, go for it. They are perfect for your room IMO.


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    Quote Originally Posted by smodtactical View Post
    They truly are. I kind of want to hear the M3s.
    I am sure both are great. But in case you have a smaller room, it is easier to add subs (also) for more bass heft in case desired. Rather than try to correct it, if the speakers simply overload the room.


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    Ya good points. Plus I already have 2 18 inchers in here.

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    A friend of mine who went to Munich felt the M2 was better than the M6 at the show - more coherent.
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    I also read an impression of someone who liked the M2 more than the M3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smodtactical View Post
    I also read an impression of someone who liked the M2 more than the M3.
    So when is your M2 arrive ? Magico M2


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    Still contemplating Paul

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    Would be an honor, are you a seller of avantgarde? I'd like to hear them.

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    So I listened to a song on the M2, Jeremy Blake - Limit to Your Love. I discussed it before but when the vibrating bass kicks in the M2 have this unbelieveable ability to throw out a holographic soundstage like I never heard and I heard the bass vibration right next to my ears as if I was wearing headphones.

    I tried this on my home Sig S8 v2 which I thought had an excellent sound stage and holographic projection was surprised to find absolutely none of the similar effect, the bass was simply flat sounding coming from the speakers... the sense of 3D that the m2 produces is amazing.

    Sadly I didn't play this song on the S7. I am interested to see if the S7 does the same. Maybe it was his room? But I don't think so because his room wasn't even optimal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smodtactical View Post
    So I listened to a song on the M2, Jeremy Blake - Limit to Your Love. I discussed it before but when the vibrating bass kicks in the M2 have this unbelieveable ability to throw out a holographic soundstage like I never heard and I heard the bass vibration right next to my ears as if I was wearing headphones.

    I tried this on my home Sig S8 v2 which I thought had an excellent sound stage and holographic projection was surprised to find absolutely none of the similar effect, the bass was simply flat sounding coming from the speakers... the sense of 3D that the m2 produces is amazing.

    Sadly I didn't play this song on the S7. I am interested to see if the S7 does the same. Maybe it was his room? But I don't think so because his room wasn't even optimal.
    That is an interesting observation. In my experience, soundstage and holographic projection has a lot to do with proper speaker/listener/room set up. It's one of the sonic attributes that improved a lot during the month I spent setting up my new speakers in my room. It also has to do with cabinet distortion and the overall resolution of the system, but if you don't here it to the same extent in different room/systems, I would first look at the listening position and speaker position within the given room.
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    I’m a proud owner of Avantgarde Mezzo XD Magico M2


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    Quote Originally Posted by smodtactical View Post
    So I listened to a song on the M2, Jeremy Blake - Limit to Your Love. I discussed it before but when the vibrating bass kicks in the M2 have this unbelieveable ability to throw out a holographic soundstage like I never heard and I heard the bass vibration right next to my ears as if I was wearing headphones.

    I tried this on my home Sig S8 v2 which I thought had an excellent sound stage and holographic projection was surprised to find absolutely none of the similar effect, the bass was simply flat sounding coming from the speakers... the sense of 3D that the m2 produces is amazing.

    Sadly I didn't play this song on the S7. I am interested to see if the S7 does the same. Maybe it was his room? But I don't think so because his room wasn't even optimal.
    James Blake, not Jeremy Blake.

    I think that fluttering effect is more due to power and setup than anything else... it seems like it’s due to fluctuating the phasing, not imaging in the usual sense. It pressurizes the room and tickles my ears.
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    Thats a good point. PeterA

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sandman View Post
    James Blake, not Jeremy Blake.

    I think that fluttering effect is more due to power and setup than anything else... it seems like it’s due to fluctuating the phasing, not imaging in the usual sense. It pressurizes the room and tickles my ears.
    I get a tickle sensation on my home system. What I heard with the M2 is different. I listened to the song my hd800 and the bass was right in my ears. This is how it sounded on the M2, as if the bass was coming from transducers right on my ears. So its more than a mere tickling of the ears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smodtactical View Post
    I get a tickle sensation on my home system. What I heard with the M2 is different. I listened to the song my hd800 and the bass was right in my ears. This is how it sounded on the M2, as if the bass was coming from transducers right on my ears. So its more than a mere tickling of the ears.
    There are two effects as I mentioned - a fluctuating pressurization of the room (the tickling) and some kind of phase effect which makes the sound seem to be coming from everywhere which your brain interprets as next to your ears or even behind you. Some of the laughter in DSOTM for example has the same effect of delocalization.

    If you don't get the tickling effect it's because the speakers aren't pressurizing the room (not enough power and/or not enough woofer). If you don't get the phase effect with the sound seemingly coming from next to your ears it's most likely speaker placement issues. I get both effects on my system but I wouldn't attribute either to imaging. Holographic imaging implies you can locate sounds precisely within the sound field. Phase manipulation kind of does the opposite - it delocalizes the sound. Pulling it off depends on proper speaker placement, seating position, and sound treatment of some kind to minimize disruption from the first and second reflection points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sandman View Post
    There are two effects as I mentioned - a fluctuating pressurization of the room (the tickling) and some kind of phase effect which makes the sound seem to be coming from everywhere which your brain interprets as next to your ears or even behind you. Some of the laughter in DSOTM for example has the same effect of delocalization.

    If you don't get the tickling effect it's because the speakers aren't pressurizing the room (not enough power and/or not enough woofer). If you don't get the phase effect with the sound seemingly coming from next to your ears it's most likely speaker placement issues. I get both effects on my system but I wouldn't attribute either to imaging. Holographic imaging implies you can locate sounds precisely within the sound field. Phase manipulation kind of does the opposite - it delocalizes the sound. Pulling it off depends on proper speaker placement, seating position, and sound treatment of some kind to minimize disruption from the first and second reflection points.
    Any advice on placement of my speakers to mimic the same phase effect? Right now I have my sig towers slightly toed in and about 3 feet from back wall and 4 feet from side walls in a 16 foot long room, listening position is about 10 feet away. Room is 16 x 12 x 8 ft. 2 18 inch subs, one in top right corner and one in back left corner. No treatments but furniture and book cases in my room.

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    After a long absence, and not a lot of serious music listening (one of the many downsides of working too hard!), I am re-engaging with my music. Was delighted to see the M2 release and have read with interest all the reports. One thing that jumps out at me is that the M2’s bass reach (at least based on the specs) is less than the M3s and also the S3 mk2s (smaller drivers presumably). Has anyone who has heard the M2s and the M3s found the M2s lacking in bass? Appreciate that room size is a factor. Also read with interest the view that the M2s’ enclosure is more advanced than the M3s (M6s trickle-down). Aside from room size and ignoring budget (two key variables!) is there any reason why one would go for the M2s over the M3s?
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    Quote Originally Posted by smodtactical View Post
    Any advice on placement of my speakers to mimic the same phase effect? Right now I have my sig towers slightly toed in and about 3 feet from back wall and 4 feet from side walls in a 16 foot long room, listening position is about 10 feet away. Room is 16 x 12 x 8 ft. 2 18 inch subs, one in top right corner and one in back left corner. No treatments but furniture and book cases in my room.

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    The room dimensions are not ideal - there are probably some significant room nodes that need to be dealt with. You might try placing the speakers a couple feet further in to the room. The subs especially will likely take a lot of trial and error and/or room treatments and DSP for best result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    After a long absence, and not a lot of serious music listening (one of the many downsides of working too hard!), I am re-engaging with my music. Was delighted to see the M2 release and have read with interest all the reports. One thing that jumps out at me is that the M2’s bass reach (at least based on the specs) is less than the M3s and also the S3 mk2s (smaller drivers presumably). Has anyone who has heard the M2s and the M3s found the M2s lacking in bass? Appreciate that room size is a factor. Also read with interest the view that the M2s’ enclosure is more advanced than the M3s (M6s trickle-down). Aside from room size and ignoring budget (two key variables!) is there any reason why one would go for the M2s over the M3s?
    The M2 is definitely not lacking in bass. It filled the 20 x 30 room at Munich beautifully. The drivers I BELIEVE are built to a higher specification than the M3 and that’s how they can get so much, so low out of just two instead of three. The cabinet is a definite advantage helping the speaker disappear. As I said to Alon, the M series outplanners the planners. Others like Alpinist have said this and I agree. The M2 is for the customer who wants to upgrade from the S3 mk2 IMHO (Larry, this means you). Magico M2
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    Thanks Mike. I see an M2 audition on the horizon...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    The M2 is definitely not lacking in bass. It filled the 20 x 30 room at Munich beautifully. The drivers I BELIEVE are built to a higher specification than the M3 and that’s how they can get so much, so low out of just two instead of three. The cabinet is a definite advantage helping the speaker disappear. As I said to Alon, the M series outplanners the planners. Others like Alpinist have said this and I agree. The M2 is for the customer who wants to upgrade from the S3 mk2 IMHO (Larry, this means you). Magico M2
    If it's any help, my experience with the A3 in my space (16x31x18) was quite shocking in my 20 years experience of audiophilia. I bring it up because the M2 and A3 have basically a quite similar form factor as well as drivers (at least size-wise) and I never had great expectations for the A3 working in this sized room. I achieved the stunning room lock that smodtactical described hearing at Mark's place. The chinese drums provided me with goosebumps and tremendous walloping dynamics. I've had several pairs of S3's in different rooms and never got that effect out of them at all. My room is open into other rooms so I get a lot of leakage and the A3 - was a stunning performer. I called the A3 a miracle speaker because it seems to defy the law of physics both for their stature as well as their driver size/complement. If the M2 does this with its further refinements (carbon monocoque) it most certainly could be the new "sweet spot" of the Magico line, a title held currently by S3Mk2. I'd love to see someone provide measurements on these speakers. Like we say at work - in God we trust - everyone else must bring data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    The M2 is definitely not lacking in bass. It filled the 20 x 30 room at Munich beautifully. The drivers I BELIEVE are built to a higher specification than the M3 and that’s how they can get so much, so low out of just two instead of three. The cabinet is a definite advantage helping the speaker disappear. As I said to Alon, the M series outplanners the planners. Others like Alpinist have said this and I agree. The M2 is for the customer who wants to upgrade from the S3 mk2 IMHO (Larry, this means you). Magico M2
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    Oh doggy chit!

    Mike I regret to inform you I have moved to Timbuktu somewhere!
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