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    Quote Originally Posted by Al M. View Post
    Yes, but your particular room, which otherwise has great acoustics, poses unusual problems when it comes to integrating subwoofers with monitors. Perhaps they would integrate better with your Q3s.
    My particular example is just one. I have heard this issue of quality vs. quantity with other monitor/sub systems. I only bring it up because it illustrates for me this distinction between the two types of bass. In this thread, we are actually discussing two full range floor standing speakers systems. I just happen to have heard something similar in my monitor/sub experiments.

    Yes, perhaps a sub will integrate better with my Q3s. Interestingly, Magico, the manufacturer being discussed here strongly believes that subs should not be integrated with two way stand mounted speakers. They advice customers to first get one of their larger floor standing models and then perhaps later attempt to integrate subs.

    As you have heard with my Q3s, they disappear just like my Mini 2 monitors, which were set up by a pro. So the usual advantage of monitors is not a factor in my particular case. The bass of the Q3 is excellent, so I have no interest in subs at the moment to possibly get more slam for rock music. Those who like adjustable volume on their subs for different music and recordings, like you do, may have different priorities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al M. View Post
    While I don't doubt that quality of bass slam and of bass articulation can be separate, I wonder if sometimes allegedly better 'articulation' can be the result of the ear being guided towards articulation in the absence of slam and punch.
    This is an interesting question you raise. Is more bass texture and articulation heard when there is less bass slam? I certainly think it’s possible. I think big bass slam could potentially cover over some of these subtleties. Interesting points to ponder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    My particular example is just one. I have heard this issue of quality vs. quantity with other monitor/sub systems. I only bring it up because it illustrates for me this distinction between the two types of bass. In this thread, we are actually discussing two full range floor standing speakers systems. I just happen to have heard something similar in my monitor/sub experiments.

    Yes, perhaps a sub will integrate better with my Q3s. Interestingly, Magico, the manufacturer being discussed here strongly believes that subs should not be integrated with two way stand mounted speakers. They advice customers to first get one of their larger floor standing models and then perhaps later attempt to integrate subs.

    As you have heard with my Q3s, they disappear just like my Mini 2 monitors, which were set up by a pro. So the usual advantage of monitors is not a factor in my particular case. The bass of the Q3 is excellent, so I have no interest in subs at the moment to possibly get more slam for rock music. Those who like adjustable volume on their subs for different music and recordings, like you do, may have different priorities.
    Yes, the bass of the Q3 is excellent, and I can perfectly see why you have no interest in subs at the moment. The question is, is the bass of the M3 sufficient? Opinions seem divided.

    And you are right, your Q3 disappear completely, just like good monitors. They perform the best disappearing act that I have ever heard from floor standers. It's stunning.
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    IMO

    Bass slam when done properly does not cover up the subtleties.

    I say that, but I do think that on some recordings the bass slam distorts the recording of the music because of it's high db output for that millisecond.



    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    This is an interesting question you raise. Is more bass texture and articulation heard when there is less bass slam? I certainly think it’s possible. I think big bass slam could potentially cover over some of these subtleties. Interesting points to ponder.

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    My $.02

    I have never heard a Magico speaker that I felt it "needed" a sub. They have all had enough bass extension that I in no way felt I was missing part of the music.

    I have not heard any of the monitors other than the Q1 which I owned. So I can't really comment on the earlier models. But have heard almost all of the models since say 2010.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al M. View Post
    No. With rock I want both slam and punch on one hand, and precision and articulation on the other. There's no gourmand without gourmet.
    +1

    I've always found Wilson bass somewhat overblown and boomy, while Magico lacked impact. I will say the new Sasha DAWs were much better in this regard in my recent audition, but it was an unfamiliar system.

    Rockport has really tuneful bass for a ported speaker - it might best split the gap. I had other issues with that speaker however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    This is an interesting question you raise. Is more bass texture and articulation heard when there is less bass slam? I certainly think it’s possible. I think big bass slam could potentially cover over some of these subtleties. Interesting points to ponder.

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    I think that much of these somewhat oppositional characteristics derives from the sealed cabinet vs. ported enclosure design choice.

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    Good looking speaker. The fit and finish and overall quality of construction seems to be at the highest level. Each model of speaker has a newly developed driver. Given all the various models in the company's short history, that is a lot of drivers to keep in stock for servicing existing speakers. I marvel at the pace of these developments. I also marvel at the prices, especially compared to the S series.

    This M2 has come a long way from the old V3. It would be a lot of fun to directly compare the V3, S3mk2, and M2.
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