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    Severs and re clockers

    lwww.LucasAudioLab.com
    the link above makes in my world the most musical severs on the planet. He can do mad drives and multi server boards completely supportable over the internet. I have worked with him for two years
    he writes his own soft ware and scrips too. Very important for making a sever best for music alone.
    Email him I'll vouch for him anytime
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    His website sucks
    If he can't do a good website how can he write good software?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingsrule View Post
    His website sucks
    If he can't do a good website how can he write good software?....
    Time limited?
    Tradeoff...pretty website of cutting edge performance software...what do you want to pay for?
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    Re: Severs and re clockers

    Mike a few questions reg your inssue
    have you tried a non audiograde Ethernet cable
    does it happen on pcm or dsd or both
    have you tried dop and native in Roon output for dsd
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    Re: Severs and re clockers

    Quote Originally Posted by Alrainbow View Post
    Mike a few questions reg your inssue
    have you tried a non audiograde Ethernet cable
    does it happen on pcm or dsd or both
    have you tried dop and native in Roon output for dsd
    Yes, yes (both) and yes.
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    Ok then. There is a micro sds card on the network input modual it may be loose. It can be programmed remotely of need be. It's a shame the two i had were ok and the three I know who have them were ok too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wisnon View Post
    Time limited?
    Tradeoff...pretty website of cutting edge performance software...what do you want to pay for?
    I just want to view the facts, options and be able to place an order

    Is that asking too much?

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    Re: Severs and re clockers

    work in progress.
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    Re: Severs and re clockers

    He has a form to fill out and email. Even a tel number show interest and ask. I can truly vouch for him in every way a pro and designer that can make your build for you based on your needs
    as for sound nothing near it. It's tens of thousands of this is your thights cheap really.
    He has many build levels and can be upgraded at any time. Based in Europe but has USA support as well. If anyone is thinking email him
    feel free to ask questions here or pm me. I don't sell any products period but did have a hand in his servers so as I have built my own I know what his can deliver. He writes cust scripts to put him way ahead of others and has many other internal concepts that no one does.
    Digital audio starts at the source so while very expensive dacs do use internal methods to help
    having a great source matters to all no matter the price and on less than top shelf dacs you would be surprised how close to the heavens you could fly using a great sever.
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    Re: Severs and re clockers

    Can sign on everything what Al wrote down. Top notch stuff...running the shop, being an exhibitor here iz Zurich than Warsaw and now Athens makes him a quite busy guy so guess something has to suffer (web page). But I also told him about this one...
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    Re: Severs and re clockers

    I can also vouch for Lucas - he is a one-man-band but with an outstanding product and and a personal service to match. Even before I'd placed an order for one of his servers he was happy remotely logging into my demo server in the evening / weekends to make changes to match my system. Whilst his website lacks the polish of a big corporate entity, his product outperforms them at a lower cost as a result.

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    Re: Severs and re clockers

    I wrote your buddy Lucas and asked about a reclocker. My server has a Jcat usb card and the dac galvanically isolates the signal from the power. Not sure if a reclocker will provide any benefit.
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    Re: Severs and re clockers

    I felt it would not but it did in a big way.
    Even my offramp 5 using spidif cOax output into my dac beats my usb input. A lower blacker back ground or lowers the noise floor no doubt

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    Well, I will keep an open mind. Are you no longer USB from server to DAC.
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    Jitter is loss of data correct. I looked at that offramp 5. It has 2 clocks so its oscillation is correct to the sample rate. That is part of their jitter reduction. Is the original usb signal from my jcat, or just a regular MB output already loosing or altering data due to the clock not being designed to optimally clock the sample rate. In other words, has jitter already damaged the digital signal.

    My DAC does have coax in. It looks like single ended connector. Are you USB to the offramp, then coax out to the DAC.
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    Re: Severs and re clockers

    Always trying new concepts lol. So far usb is below spidif but no dsd
    The Re clocker pits usb back on top. Getting a new super amanaro usb Board to use and it has both usb and network inputs

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    Re: Severs and re clockers

    Yes it was way ahead of the times 4 or 5 years ago I think. It pre dates my building of severs
    Jitter is not loss it's basically noise imbedded in the data stream. There really are many facets to jitter
    Electrical
    Data packets that delay on the stream
    Time delay that is not in time with clocks.
    Too complex for here and besides according to some here I don't get understood hahahaha
    If your dac has a spidif try it. Your server should have a coax output too. Most all main boards do.
    Use a short RCA se interconnect to try. If it's bad try another jitter is touchy in spidif But you will know when it's a good for the purpose. Spidif bypasses usb this makes it go direct to the dac engine of it has an imput direct

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    Re: Severs and re clockers

    Does Lucas make a reclocker? Should I talk to him or talk to him Emperical audio
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    Emperical audio said my JCat Femto USB card has a master clock in it. Reclocking probably wont do much. Especially if I'm not trying to convert to coax.
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    I have owned and still own gear from Steve Nugent at Empirical Audio. Just a TOP NOTCH guy. Great digital gear. His DACS are the best value for high end DAC's to many of us. Love Steve and know him well. He stands behind his gear. I have heard many servers, but not this one yet. The only server that I've heard sound better than the Aurender N10 and W20 is the Memory Player for Laufer Technique that I purchased recently. They have the lowest jitter I've seen so far for all three types of jitter (maybe there are more timing errors that we can't measure yet, I'm not sure). Mark, the designer is from Melos, but Sam bought the company and they fixed any issues iRT breakdowns. Most of us who have one swear by it, but again, digital is a funny beast. I also bought their prototype DAC that is as good as any DAC I've heard under 30k so far and we don't evne have the StealthCaps in it yet and it will have a ton oof other changes for the better. The way they set up the clocking, means you don't need an external one when using his sever and DAC together. I like fewer connections especially IRT digital. That's just me and they do the remote upgrades constantly etc...

    There are. a lot of great companies out there for digital right now. I personally won't buy anything that isn't in my country (USA) as service is so important when talking digital. That's just me. Thanks for sharing. Would love to get one in to audition vs www.thememoryplayer.net lol
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    Where are you located ? It's made her or Europe and its serviced in both locations and mostly over the internet. The man who makes the wms product is an IT person he programms
    Codes in win and Linux. He is the reason I clicks as far as I did. I know sound and software but there is always a hitch in making it all work best.
    As for memory player nice man and good stuff.
    I had his desk top Version on one of my servers
    It was a triple boot
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    Also a separate dual drive for his software one is OS second is slots for music playback.

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    I'm in Connecticut. Everything has changed and been upgraded. They constantly do that with the hardware and he's upgrading the software weekly, lol. They can actually install their software on many other servers too. I know it's made a big difference for many of my friends who have done it. You can see a bit of what upgrades they have, but it's a small percentage of what they now offer. The big things are lowering the 3 forms of jitter they measure. They also have defragmented memory for playback. They now have slots to play back external hard drive in the fashion. Makes a huge difference in SQ.

    Mark, the designer has one of the top IQ's in the world. The problem is that he isn't good with human beings other than his wife and Sam who bought his company a few years ago. That's when the quality became outstanding. There are many great companies in digital. Reminds me of the 80s'/90's when so many hobbiests built and sold speakers. Richard Vandersteen started this way and now look at him (yes, proud owner of Quatro's, lol). Meadowlark was another fun company from San Diego and now they are being built again I believe. Empirical Audio and Steve Nugent is another great example and they all give you the best value if you like their gear. The only concerns to me are being a one or even two man show. That's a concern over time.
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    Wireworld Platnium 8 ethernet cables into the EMO 70e ethernet filter into The Memory Player from Eero mesh router
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    Audioquest power outlets and four dedicated power lines in the room
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    Re: Severs and re clockers

    Wow you got mark right. Pm me some time to talk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ctsooner View Post
    I have owned and still own gear from Steve Nugent at Empirical Audio. Just a TOP NOTCH guy. Great digital gear. His DACS are the best value for high end DAC's to many of us. Love Steve and know him well. He stands behind his gear. I have heard many servers, but not this one yet. The only server that I've heard sound better than the Aurender N10 and W20 is the Memory Player for Laufer Technique that I purchased recently. They have the lowest jitter I've seen so far for all three types of jitter (maybe there are more timing errors that we can't measure yet, I'm not sure). Mark, the designer is from Melos, but Sam bought the company and they fixed any issues iRT breakdowns. Most of us who have one swear by it, but again, digital is a funny beast. I also bought their prototype DAC that is as good as any DAC I've heard under 30k so far and we don't evne have the StealthCaps in it yet and it will have a ton oof other changes for the better. The way they set up the clocking, means you don't need an external one when using his sever and DAC together. I like fewer connections especially IRT digital. That's just me and they do the remote upgrades constantly etc...

    There are. a lot of great companies out there for digital right now. I personally won't buy anything that isn't in my country (USA) as service is so important when talking digital. That's just me. Thanks for sharing. Would love to get one in to audition vs www.thememoryplayer.net lol
    LoL

    Cstooner, AL knows the MPlayer before you. I bugged Matt to check it out for years now. See for yourself at the thread. MPlayer is great and so is Domansky server too. Totally different approaches. MP has many unique techs and DMS has extreme attention to detail. Steve has a nice Dac, but I would take a GG over any SS Dac. Steve does have great tweaks!

    As you say, lots of great choices in digital out there now! Pick one for your budget and enjoy!
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    Re: Severs and re clockers

    Winson, this new DAC mark designed is a tubed DAC. It's already crazy good and will be so much better once they get it up to speed and put it in new boxes to isolate things. how do I PM folks?
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    Wireworld Platnium 8 ethernet cables into the EMO 70e ethernet filter into The Memory Player from Eero mesh router
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    Al, I PM"d you as well as others who I didn't know PM'd me over the last year, lol. Let's exchange numbers and talk no phone. With my MS, it's sooo much easier for me.
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    Audioquest William Tell bi wire speaker cable
    Wireworld 8 optical cable into the Empirical Audio Synchro Mesh from the TV and Blueray to reclock
    Wireworld Platnium 8 ethernet cables into the EMO 70e ethernet filter into The Memory Player from Eero mesh router
    All routers, cable box and synchro mesh powered by the Wyred4sound LPS box with separate supplies for each
    Audioquest power outlets and four dedicated power lines in the room
    ZMF Ori headphones with the Audioarts 15' Pono balanced cable for the QX5/20
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    Re: Severs and re clockers

    Replied to pm as well.

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    Re: Severs and re clockers

    I am a Memory Player user since 2008.

    Mark Porzilli is one of the very first to get into computer audio. He was so ahead of the times and unfortunately was misunderstood and rediculed by a lot of audiophiles. He resented this a lot, he told me back in 2014 that if he is no longer around, he want to be remembered for what he did on Memory Player, it is his baby.

    Mark does not want to be anywhere near audiophiles now. I remember when we attended Newport Beach Audio Show one year and had a dinner date with Mark and Carolyn, he specifically requested to meet away from the show. Him and Sam are both topnotch fellows. I think MP does not get the recognition it deserves.

    I exhcanged emails with both Mark and Sam, as recent as last week.

    Mark told me back in 2009 that digital audio game will improve and evolve really fast, and I think he is right as there are lot’s of very good products now. And the use of computers is more accepted. Having said that, I think my old MP64 will still compete with a lot of the products currently available in the market. I am currently working with them on my current Roon server/multi use computer build. I will definitely employ most of the technologies they offer.

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    We each have digital audio hero's for me it's three
    Steve N empiricle audio
    Paul pang audio a pioneer but poor business man
    Audio Phil audio optoptimizer
    The above all played in my world massive improvement years before anyone. At the time CPA forums was the place to read about the new and how to use it. Mark was nice to me in emails and him not talking on the phone was fine. For me I am a very honest person in dealings with audio. Not many really want this in audio an odd bunch of being asked.
    The MP concept I understand the over the internet support was very good too.
    Sam L I met is also a very nice man too.

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    Re: Severs and re clockers

    Can I interject back to the reclocker subject. I have a server with a J cat femto USB card that has a master clock in it. My DAC has USB input with isolated power and signal.

    I'm getting conflicting information from people or I'm not understanding properly. I gather there's USB isolation and there's USB reclocking. I believe I'm being told isolation isn't going to help me as I'm already pretty isolated. I think I'm being told reclocking would help me, but I don't quite get why. Is there another clock beyond my jcat fempto master clock that is that much better? The femto card in my server has its own power supply. It's very clean.

    Is there anything to chase here or am I pretty done.
    Al, I still need to get that ethernet isolator. It's on my list.
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    Re: Severs and re clockers

    Re clocking is not isolation unless the device has this step inside as well.
    The clock inside a usb cArd is not a reclocker it's a clock thst is used the set the time pulses of the usb input. A reclocker does this but also takes the data and constructs a new data stream. One thing I have learned is the term jitter is not just one type. There are many noises involved that effect the sound most call of the noise jitter.
    Dc voltage jitter is one part
    Time jitter is another
    In bedded jitter is another.
    Imagine a data stream that is essentially packets in a row governed by clock pulses
    Of the stream is not kept organized as a steady timed packet arrival this is fine jitter
    Now imagine each packet has time or noise jitter in bedded in it already this is another type
    Simple ones are voltage noise but even this is effected by the above.
    A re clocker does a lot more than your usb cArd
    Does. Steve n whom I feel is a true pioneer feels network used conversion is better then usb. His new product does not have a usb output
    It's spidif , and I2S it's for a good reason.
    A simple HB RP or NUC all have Benifits based on his ideas. They in fact do as I have tried many types rhat I have built and tried
    The firmware or OS used on these matters as does it's lps.
    A rendu has benefits of a HB but still allows some noise to remain down stream of the output it yields.

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    So well put Al. Thanks. To the other recent posters on MP, Mark and the computer audio guys. Phil has become a friend also. Just a great guy. Steve Nugent is also a good audio friends. We have a lot of fun convo's about life, woodworking and of course audio in general. I love and have owned his gear. I feel blessed to know these men. just good people who share the same passions I have.

    Back to the topic, I own the Synchro Mesh reclocking device. I love it. I hook all of my digital TV, blu ray, Apple TV to it adn then hook that to my DAC for great sound. It's amazing what it will do for the TV. That alone will show how incredible an inexpensive reclocking device will do. Honestly, I have tried a few other master clocks in my system over the years and this is as good and better than most for a fraction of the cost, plus I can hook up a bunch of gear and use the sp/diff out which is a great connection.
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    Al, I get what your saying about jitter or noise or timing errors, signal degradation etc. I thought the purpose of the JCAT femto card was to address these issues. That is was a good clock dealing with timing errors. That feed with an appropriate power supply it was isolated and transmitting less noise. Is the truth the JCAT card is not so good? If I put a Ideon Audio usb reclocker into my chain, is it that much better than the JCAT. If I put the Ideon Audio into the chain, would I get better performance feeding it from the JCAT card, or would it be just the same as if I took it out the back of the MB?
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    I tell you this. Try any usb 3.0 output on your server and hear any changes. I don't use any usb cards anymore. While they mostly don't hurt they don't help either. What they do for sure is this. If you use an external usb strategy device it helps reduce noise from it. I suspect it's separation of electrical noise from the spinning drive. What I go find is a sound change of sorts with it. If your sever has lps supplies and is made well it's nit a must. It does help in more simple setups.

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    From what folks have shared with me, the big problem with USB is lost info. I guess ethernet can go back and ask for info that doesn't come through right away or something like that. USB can't. I'm sure I totally botched what I was trying to say, but there is just so much involved with digital from power to delivery of info, that it's so hard to get things right in any system regardless of cost.

    I so feel that servers and DAC's, like anything else have a house sound. It's how we as users max out that product, just like amps and speakers. I have heard the same DAC in various systems and it's sounded great to crappy. I've felt that many designers like a specific connection and max out that connection, but so far sp/diff and ethernet and HDMI (I2S or whatever it's called, lol) have been my favorite when a component offers all of them. On reason I went with Sam Laufer for my DAC and server is because they are maximized to work together. Now they are taking the DAC out, as I posted earlier, to beef it up and make it sound even better. To me, that's all about power isolation and everything else that puts power, DAC and sever in different cases will do. I'm not sure which connection Mark will have me use, but since he designed it, I'm sure I won't be changing what he feels is best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ctsooner View Post
    From what folks have shared with me, the big problem with USB is lost info. I guess ethernet can go back and ask for info that doesn't come through right away or something like that. USB can't. I'm sure I totally botched what I was trying to say, but there is just so much involved with digital from power to delivery of info, that it's so hard to get things right in any system regardless of cost.

    I so feel that servers and DAC's, like anything else have a house sound. It's how we as users max out that product, just like amps and speakers. I have heard the same DAC in various systems and it's sounded great to crappy. I've felt that many designers like a specific connection and max out that connection, but so far sp/diff and ethernet and HDMI (I2S or whatever it's called, lol) have been my favorite when a component offers all of them. On reason I went with Sam Laufer for my DAC and server is because they are maximized to work together. Now they are taking the DAC out, as I posted earlier, to beef it up and make it sound even better. To me, that's all about power isolation and everything else that puts power, DAC and sever in different cases will do. I'm not sure which connection Mark will have me use, but since he designed it, I'm sure I won't be changing what he feels is best.

    No absolutes other than the 'house sound' of products IMHO.
    You know, the house sound optimized by one company is probably spot on. If I call any builder of a reclocker I'm gonna hear this and that sucks in my device and there's is a magic bullet to fix it. In reality, I have a server and DAC combo by 1 maker who designed it all to work together as he feels sounds best. His product has receives numerous awards and sounds pretty darn good to me. It has a "house sound" I like.

    I know Al did not say it this way, but adding a reclocker might only change the sound. Not better it. I believe he said that about USB cards vs the MB USB out, but heck, every reclocker I read or talk with someone about is why they have better power isolation and a better crystal to time the frequency and packet delivery. The same song and dance JCat advertizes about their USB device.

    At this time it sounds like I should just leave it alone and enjoy what the builder designed.
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    I've heard some top end systems rechecked with what are expensive clocks. The sound changed, but not as much as I had expected. It was better in each case, but there is so much involved in digital. As I have said, I like to keep it as simple as possible. I also think there is so much great sound already that if you feel the need to get a new clock, maybe you should just get a new DAC ....so many spend so much on tweaks etc... and could have done a full upgrade for what they paid for the tweaks, lol....
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    Thanks CT. I have been reading around computer audiophile and I think you hit the nail on the head. A lot of what it does is changes the sound. I already got damn good sound. I don't want to change it as much as see if there is some ways to possibly clean it up or achieve true Improvement such as a more natural and harmonically rich sound. I don't want to smooth it over and collapse the sound stage, or expand the tound stage and make it brittle.

    I too have heard the select II with duell power base. It is an amazing piece of equipment for well over $100,000. My dac cost me $4,400. I'm going to keep swimming around this pond. I feel most comfortable in it.
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    Totally agree on the pond you are in. Lot's of great stuff. Not sure how much this new Laufer DAC will be, but right now it sounds better than the DCS Rossini I just heard (to my ears). I think they are looking around the 10k range for it. Two box DAC.
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    My next dac will most likly have a built in streamer/file storage player. That will probably force me to stick with Roon. I know that is how Mojo is designing the new models. I will use what I have for maybe 3 or 4 years, then trade it in for an upgrade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingrex View Post
    My next dac will most likly have a built in streamer/file storage player. That will probably force me to stick with Roon. I know that is how Mojo is designing the new models. I will use what I have for maybe 3 or 4 years, then trade it in for an upgrade.
    I'm trying to figure out where you're at. On one thread (Qubuz) you say, that your current setup misses Roon is good. And here on this thread you are saying you will be forced to stick with Roon.

    Qubuz Thread:
    ""I use to think I wanted it to integrate with Roon, but then it will sound like Roon. I like how it sounds now."

    "I don't use Roon to it's fullest."

    Are you just addressing internet (TIDAL/Qubuz) streaming only?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPP View Post
    I'm trying to figure out where you're at. On one thread (Qubuz) you say, that your current setup misses Roon is good. And here on this thread you are saying you will be forced to stick with Roon.

    Qubuz Thread:
    ""I use to think I wanted it to integrate with Roon, but then it will sound like Roon. I like how it sounds now."

    "I don't use Roon to it's fullest."

    Are you just addressing internet (TIDAL/Qubuz) streaming only?
    I have a lot of subscriptions now. I would love to cut costs. I'm probably paying $70 a month on services now. I don't really need Roon right now. Not unless the performance gains I get in tidal via HQ with Roon sway my decission.

    If however I get a DAC with a module, or built in streamer, then I may end up having to have Roon if that is the software used for the internal streaming. That is what I mean.

    I like Roon but think of it this way. Tidal, spotify, Qobuz, Orimeohonic, Pandora etc. They all give you something for your monthly subscription. Some of that subscription goes to artist. Roon in the simplistic form catalogs your library and gives different ways to search the library. They don't give you licensed music to listen too. They don't pay artist. And they are not inexpensive. JRiver does the sane for $30 or so one time. For all that money Roon has no support I have seen. They have a forum where a crowd of ussers attempt to help each other. I would assume they use their revenue to pay a sales force focused on bringing as many equipment manufacturers into the fold of integrating Roon software into the manufacturers hardware. It's really a genius plan. Once it's integrated, you have a locked in revenue stream. Maybe it ends up being really good. It seems the MSB crowd likes the plug in module making the Select a Ethernet endpoint. Its a lot less software for MSB to write and it does work well. I can see why a manufacturer would move towards integrating Roon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingrex View Post
    I have a lot of subscriptions now. I would love to cut costs. I'm probably paying $70 a month on services now. I don't really need Roon right now. Not unless the performance gains I get in tidal via HQ with Roon sway my decission.

    If however I get a DAC with a module, or built in streamer, then I may end up having to have Roon if that is the software used for the internal streaming. That is what I mean.

    I like Roon but think of it this way. Tidal, spotify, Qobuz, Orimeohonic, Pandora etc. They all give you something for your monthly subscription. Some of that subscription goes to artist. Roon in the simplistic form catalogs your library and gives different ways to search the library. They don't give you licensed music to listen too. They don't pay artist. And they are not inexpensive. JRiver does the sane for $30 or so one time. For all that money Roon has no support I have seen. They have a forum where a crowd of ussers attempt to help each other. I would assume they use their revenue to pay a sales force focused on bringing as many equipment manufacturers into the fold of integrating Roon software into the manufacturers hardware. It's really a genius plan. Once it's integrated, you have a locked in revenue stream. Maybe it ends up being really good. It seems the MSB crowd likes the plug in module making the Select a Ethernet endpoint. Its a lot less software for MSB to write and it does work well. I can see why a manufacturer would move towards integrating Roon.
    Thanks Rex for explaining. The MSB offering is pretty much the end game but a little out of my reach budget wise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPP View Post
    Thanks Rex for explaining. The MSB offering is pretty much the end game but a little out of my reach budget wise.
    I thought I should just say my ramblings of what Roons business desires may be, are only my ramblings. I have no idea what their real approach or intent to the market really is.

    I also don't really like the JRiver sound. Roon does sound good. I need to try Audivana.
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    His website sucks
    If he can't do a good website how can he write good software?....
    programming good software is an extremely different skillset from programming a nice website

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