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    Re: Emm da2 dac

    My dealer has complete EMMlabs system, DA2, pre amp, CD player, mono amps. It sounds really good. We compared the YG to a Magico Q5 to a YG speaker.

    Regardless of which speaker you preferred it was a good afternoon. Way better than I’ll ever be able to afford.
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    Re: Emm da2 dac

    Quote Originally Posted by Mordante View Post
    My dealer has complete EMMlabs system, DA2, pre amp, CD player, mono amps. It sounds really good. We compared the YG to a Magico Q5 to a YG speaker.

    Regardless of which speaker you preferred it was a good afternoon. Way better than Iíll ever be able to afford.
    Yes. After nearly one year has passed since the V2 upgrade, I continued to be amazed by it! On excellent recordings, orchestra bloom sounded just like what is heard in the concert hall (I am using the Magico Q-Sub 15. I must add that the Shunyata Research Sigma NR power cables, conditioners, the Critical Mass Systems Maxxum rack/amp. stands/footers played a large part in achieving this) I continued to discover anew my vast collection of SACDs.

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    Re: Emm da2 dac

    Quote Originally Posted by Phishphan View Post
    Sorry for the delay here. I sprained my ankle at the Brandi Carlile show last week and I was off for a while. Still in pain, but getting better.

    DSD popping issue is 100% on the N10. No issues with JRiver feeding the DA2. I’ve contacted Aurender about this, and they’re looking into it. I had engineers looking at my unit via the internet for a few hours last night.. still not fixed. Might be time to switch media players,

    The DA2 has been playing for weeks, non stop. It continues to be amazing. The 3D sound is incredible.

    I have a MSB Reference from a local dealer sitting in a box that I’ll get to opening soon. I’m in Miami all next week for work, so I may set it up and run it during that time for burn in.

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    What about the comparison? (MSB Ref. vs the emmLabs DA2...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by johndoe21ro View Post
    What about the comparison? (MSB Ref. vs the emmLabs DA2...)
    Yes, we are still waiting for Phishphan to make the comparison. BTW, Kobol (at Audio Aficionado) (10-22-2018) posted: "I've heard AB the full Vivaldi Stack with latest upgrades vs the Emm Labs DA 2 with v2 upgrade. The naturalness and soundstage of DA-2 made it a winner. Both equal in detail and presence.
    Emm Labs has more organic sound more lifelike. The source was Aurender W20 and / or Roon Nucleus."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordante View Post
    My dealer has complete EMMlabs system, DA2, pre amp, CD player, mono amps. It sounds really good. We compared the YG to a Magico Q5 to a YG speaker.

    Regardless of which speaker you preferred it was a good afternoon. Way better than Iíll ever be able to afford.
    Hi all,

    You might be interested in this review of the EMM Labs MTRX2s by Doug Schneider (EMM Labs MTRX2 Mono Amplifiers, SoundStage! Hi-Fi, 01 January 2019). He wrote: "But at this point I had to remind myself that there was more at play here than the MTRX2s -- the Pre and DA2 Reference were up front. But still -- all that Meitner gear could map soundstages like crazy." His conclusion: "The EMM Labs MTRX2 monos are the best-sounding amplifiers Iíve ever heard."

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    [QUOTE=Yuen Andy;258273]

    Hi,

    Savakntr (Audio Aficionado, 30-12-2018) wrote: "EMM DA2 and Aurender N10 reduced significantly my vinyl listening sessions."

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    Sorry for my delay in getting this post updated. The holidays were crazy, and I've been on and off the road for work since the beginning of the year.

    To push the rewind button for a moment. I was simply in love with the Esoteric Grandioso K1 when I had it. I put it in a very short list of fantastic DACs that I had heard to that point. That was until MSB and EMM came into my room.

    The way that each of the 3 DACs present the soundstage is vastly different. The K1 places each instrument in the soundstage with pinpoint accuracy, but that accuracy can lead to the soundstage feeling thinner and less realistic than the MSB or EMM. I preferred the MSB and EMM over the K1, and am somewhat puzzled why I liked it as much as I did. I guess I didn't do enough shopping before buying it.

    Both the MSB and EMM have very accurate sound stages, but instead of just a pin point like the K1, it's a broad stroke of sound in each instrument placement. Which creates a far more robust and extremely wide soundstage. I terms of soundstage, I think EMM does it just slightly better. I found the EMM was more 3 demential, not just wide. I found myself looking over my shoulder a few times with the EMM thinking there was someone walking into the room.

    When it comes to accuracy in reproduction, both the MBS and EMM are extraordianry at extracting immense amounts of information. In my system, which has Bryston amps, and KEF Reference speakers.. both known for being analytical, I found the EMM did a better job of pairing with my gear. Some call it sterile, but I find it enjoyable to hear every-last-freaking-detail. The EMM just squeezes ever last drop, for better or worse, out of the files I fed it. All quality of FLAC files & Tidal sounded great, and in some cases better than DSD, which is odd given the Ed's ties to that format. DSD tended to be a little too bright, and got to be fatiguing in some cases. I converted some of those DSD files to FLAC, and it solved the problem.

    The MSB did a great job at all quality levels of FLAC, and Tidal, so there were no difference there. I think MSB outperformed the EMM on DSD files, which again is weird considering the principal behind EMM's ties to that format. MSB did a better job of taming down the brightness of some of the DSD files I fed it. It most defiantly has a warmer, analog sound to it.

    I put 2 different versions of Bill Evan's Waltz for Debby on my Aurender. One is 24/192 FLAC, and the other is DSD. In listening to them both, the EMM sounded better with the FLAC files, but the MSB was the clear winner with DSD.

    At times I found the EMM a bit bright, and at times I felt the MSB was too warm. There were moments of pure joy listening to both of these DACs. They are both incredible pieces of equipment and finding flaws in either was difficult.

    In my system, I found the EMM DA2 to be the better fit. I bought cassette tapes as a kid, and a few years later CDs took the world by storm. I don't have that childhood nostalgia for the sound of vinyl that others in our community have. I think that's a key contributing factor to gear that I own and enjoy, and why I like the EMM DA2 more than the MSB. The MSB without question has more of that warmer toned analog sound to it. I'm not saying that EMM sounds digital, it just felt more resolving and hyper-detailed... and I love hyper detail.

    That's my 2 cents. Go listen to them both, and decide for yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phishphan View Post
    Sorry for my delay in getting this post updated. The holidays were crazy, and I've been on and off the road for work since the beginning of the year.

    To push the rewind button for a moment. I was simply in love with the Esoteric Grandioso K1 when I had it. I put it in a very short list of fantastic DACs that I had heard to that point. That was until MSB and EMM came into my room.

    The way that each of the 3 DACs present the soundstage is vastly different. The K1 places each instrument in the soundstage with pinpoint accuracy, but that accuracy can lead to the soundstage feeling thinner and less realistic than the MSB or EMM. I preferred the MSB and EMM over the K1, and am somewhat puzzled why I liked it as much as I did. I guess I didn't do enough shopping before buying it.

    Both the MSB and EMM have very accurate sound stages, but instead of just a pin point like the K1, it's a broad stroke of sound in each instrument placement. Which creates a far more robust and extremely wide soundstage. I terms of soundstage, I think EMM does it just slightly better. I found the EMM was more 3 demential, not just wide. I found myself looking over my shoulder a few times with the EMM thinking there was someone walking into the room.

    When it comes to accuracy in reproduction, both the MBS and EMM are extraordianry at extracting immense amounts of information. In my system, which has Bryston amps, and KEF Reference speakers.. both known for being analytical, I found the EMM did a better job of pairing with my gear. Some call it sterile, but I find it enjoyable to hear every-last-freaking-detail. The EMM just squeezes ever last drop, for better or worse, out of the files I fed it. All quality of FLAC files & Tidal sounded great, and in some cases better than DSD, which is odd given the Ed's ties to that format. DSD tended to be a little too bright, and got to be fatiguing in some cases. I converted some of those DSD files to FLAC, and it solved the problem.

    The MSB did a great job at all quality levels of FLAC, and Tidal, so there were no difference there. I think MSB outperformed the EMM on DSD files, which again is weird considering the principal behind EMM's ties to that format. MSB did a better job of taming down the brightness of some of the DSD files I fed it. It most defiantly has a warmer, analog sound to it.

    I put 2 different versions of Bill Evan's Waltz for Debby on my Aurender. One is 24/192 FLAC, and the other is DSD. In listening to them both, the EMM sounded better with the FLAC files, but the MSB was the clear winner with DSD.

    At times I found the EMM a bit bright, and at times I felt the MSB was too warm. There were moments of pure joy listening to both of these DACs. They are both incredible pieces of equipment and finding flaws in either was difficult.

    In my system, I found the EMM DA2 to be the better fit. I bought cassette tapes as a kid, and a few years later CDs took the world by storm. I don't have that childhood nostalgia for the sound of vinyl that others in our community have. I think that's a key contributing factor to gear that I own and enjoy, and why I like the EMM DA2 more than the MSB. The MSB without question has more of that warmer toned analog sound to it. I'm not saying that EMM sounds digital, it just felt more resolving and hyper-detailed... and I love hyper detail.

    That's my 2 cents. Go listen to them both, and decide for yourself.
    1. Hi, Thank you very much for your thoughts on the EMM Labs DA2 vs the MSB Reference DAC.

    2. Your following observation is interesting. You said: "the MSB outperformed the EMM on DSD files. MSB did a better job of taming down the brightness of some of the DSD files I fed it. It most definitely has a warmer, analog sound to it. I put 2 different versions of Bill Evan's Waltz for Debby on my Aurender. One is 24/192 FLAC, and the other is DSD. In listening to them both, the EMM sounded better with the FLAC files, but the MSB was the clear winner with DSD. At times I found the EMM a bit bright, and at times I felt the MSB was too warm." I have no experience with Files/FLAC, so I cannot comment on your observation. However, I listen exclusively to DSD, that is, SACDs (either pure DSD or PCM converted to DSD) Through this format, the DA2 is certainly not bright. I would say that the DA2 is neutral sounding, i.e. if the recording is bright, it will sound bright and if the recording is warm, it will sound warm.

    3. The DA2 is an extremely high resolution dac. The DA2 is able to reproduce the subtlest nuances of very-low-level musical detail in quiet passages. What you get from these particular excellent recordings (MA recordings: MA on SA: Selection from the MA catalog - a sampler SACD 2006; and Tutti! Orchestral Sampler, Reference Recordings SACD) thru the DA2 + Magico Q speakers + Magico Q-Sub 15 subwoofer + Constellation Audio Centaur + Critical Mass Systems Maxxum rack, amp stands, footers + Shunyata Research Sigma power cables + Shunyata Research power conditioners, are: extreme purity of sounds, great and accurate timbre, great palpable sense of presence, great dynamics (both micro and macro), and great retrieval of hall ambience. And most important of all, these recordings (on my sound system) sounded most alive and real.

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    Hi Phishphan,

    You are right in stating that the EMM Labs DA2 is not digital sounding. Tom Lyle (World Premiere Review September 2018. Enjoy the Music.com: Analogue Artisan A1 Series Turntable with Remote Control VTA/SRA Mongoose Tonearm and Pod. $40,000 USD) correctly observes: "And in a word, that is my impression of the Analogue Artisan A1 Series Turntable with Remote Control VTA/SRA Mongoose Tonearm and Pod. Music. Never have I heard such source-less sounding analog music coming from my speakers. In my review of the EMM Labs DA2 digital-to-analog converter, I described its admirable sonic qualities as being neither digital nor analog sounding, and I believe the Analogue Artisan A1 setup behaved in a similar fashion, because on certain recordings I couldn't tell whether I was listening to analog or digital, I was simply listening to music."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuen Andy View Post
    Hi Phishphan,

    You are right in stating that the EMM Labs DA2 is not digital sounding. Tom Lyle (World Premiere Review September 2018. Enjoy the Music.com: Analogue Artisan A1 Series Turntable with Remote Control VTA/SRA Mongoose Tonearm and Pod. $40,000 USD) correctly observes: "And in a word, that is my impression of the Analogue Artisan A1 Series Turntable with Remote Control VTA/SRA Mongoose Tonearm and Pod. Music. Never have I heard such source-less sounding analog music coming from my speakers. In my review of the EMM Labs DA2 digital-to-analog converter, I described its admirable sonic qualities as being neither digital nor analog sounding, and I believe the Analogue Artisan A1 setup behaved in a similar fashion, because on certain recordings I couldn't tell whether I was listening to analog or digital, I was simply listening to music."
    I love it. Canít say Iíve heard better, only different


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