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Thread: Critical Mass Center Stage 2
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April 11, 2020, 10:50 AM #51
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Re: Critical Mass Center Stage 2
Just curious looking at my signature. Where would you deploy them first. I have my thoughts I just want to see if everyone else agrees. Thank you
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April 11, 2020, 11:01 AM #52
Re: Critical Mass Center Stage 2
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April 11, 2020, 11:19 AM #53
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I believe I have dac's on my processor. otherwise no external dac.
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April 11, 2020, 11:46 PM #54
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Just experiment! But you need to be patient, 2 weeks minimum under whatever component before you can come to any meaningful assessment.
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October 26, 2020, 03:21 PM #55
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I have a set of Critical Mass footers under my Dac/Streamer, and mono block tube amps. No preamp in the system.
I was thinking of getting another set to go under my Niagara 7000 power conditioner, but not sure if it would show sound quality improvement there. I tried Stillpoints Ultra SS and was not impressed under the Niagara.
Can anyone comment if the CM footers would benefit a power conditioner?
ozzy
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October 26, 2020, 11:06 PM #56
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I still wonder how these actually work, is there some type of magnet that slowly draws and holds vibration, sounds far fetched I know, but something is happening to allow two weeks of rollercoaster results before working.
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October 27, 2020, 02:04 AM #57
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October 27, 2020, 07:37 PM #58
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Then, I would be removing a set from under the components, thus reducing the effectiveness that is already there.
ozzy
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October 27, 2020, 07:57 PM #59
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I wonder what would happen if I install these under my listening chair?
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October 27, 2020, 08:50 PM #60
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It would take two weeks to find out.
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October 27, 2020, 08:57 PM #61
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Does one listen by making the system play music or does the system make one listen by playing music? Do we wait for a new component to break in or does a new component wait for us to break in? Taken in the context of quantum physics, anything is possible...
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October 28, 2020, 03:53 PM #62
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Serge,
Sounds like you are looking for an argument. If you are not willing to try, then your opinion has no merit, just your biased opinion.
ozzy
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October 28, 2020, 04:06 PM #63
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Not at all, just injecting a bit of humor. Over the 30 years of being into the hobby, I've experimented with all kinds of isolation devices, wood, metal, resin, stone, combination of materials, up to and including bicycle tires with pressure gauges underneath components to see if a specific isolation strategy would be best... It was fun to experiment. I do not need further convincing... Have fun with it. I have nothing against it, your system, your money, your enjoyment.
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October 29, 2020, 06:40 PM #64
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Well I just received and immediately installed the Critical Mass Footers 2 1.0 version underneath the Niagara 7000. And though I know it will take much time to break in (or adjust), at this moment, I am clearly hearing better separation of the instruments within the soundstage.
So, though I am expecting things to improve further in the next few weeks with additional settling time, I can honestly conclude that the Audioquest Niagara 7000 does improve considerably with using the Critical Mass footers.
ozzy
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November 24, 2020, 09:31 AM #65
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Any update on status of how sound improved using them under the power conditioner?
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November 29, 2020, 07:22 PM #66
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Solecky,
I am very pleased with the sonic results of the CM 2's under my Niagara 7000. Images seem to jump out of my speakers. I have now become used to the sound and don't intend to remove them.
ozzy
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November 30, 2020, 09:31 AM #67
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Thx!
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December 25, 2020, 04:00 PM #68
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So I am wonderin', my Amps sit on a Grand Prix amp stands, would the critical mass footers work in conjunction with the Grand Prix? Just asking before I go through the exercise of removing them.
ozzy
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December 25, 2020, 04:33 PM #69
Re: Critical Mass Center Stage 2
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December 27, 2020, 07:42 PM #70
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Mike,
Thanks!
ozzy
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January 17, 2021, 08:18 AM #71
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If I understand correctly, the period of two weeks is with the system on and playing music 24/7? So with a system turned on and playing music for 8 hours a day, should we expect a much longer settlement period?
Is this correct?Francisco
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January 17, 2021, 08:23 AM #72
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I wouldn't think so.....I would have thought break-in is on account of load bearing, not playing music as such. Not something to think too much about.
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January 17, 2021, 08:51 AM #73
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These are intriguing footers and CM platforms are of exceptional build quality and results. If I read correctly between the lines of the review and
some comments here and elsewhere seem to be claiming that footers and racks in general, and CM in specific, are supposed to need
break-in for up to two (2) weeks.
Is this an active assertion out there? I'm a huge fan of break-in of cables, speakers, components, wire in wall, outlets, in short most things
having heard the results over the past couple of decades with no doubt left behind. With respect, I have to admit I have a very hard time
wrapping my head around any suggestion that a rack or footer or damping plate/etc,...need break-in past the initial few minutes or
maybe the first hour that the load takes to settle in on the rack or footer.
I am not trying to start a religious debate here only saying that this one time I have hard time accepting break-in (with racks and footers,
damping plates and the like) as a multi-day/multi-week concern.
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January 17, 2021, 09:15 AM #74
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Tell you what, let's do a swap and see what gives. I send you some CS2's, you send me an Omega Clock-50?
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January 17, 2021, 09:22 AM #75
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January 17, 2021, 01:19 PM #76Rob
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