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    Re: The MSB Premier review I didn't write

    Thanks for the teaser, Bill

    I heard the top of the line Esoteric SACD player on Rockports a few weeks ago and couldn't understand the hub bub. Relatively dry and dead sounding digital. Until we switched to analog I was disappointed. I also heard the new dCS Bartok a few weeks prior and the system sounded "digital."

    I continue to think most of the other dacs I hear sound like "good digital" with MSB the only one that gives the best of analog and digital.
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    Re: The MSB Premier review I didn't write

    Quote Originally Posted by Billt1 View Post
    When I acquired the MSB Premier with second power supply and renderer V2 it was at the top of my comfort level for expense. One of the things that really appealed to me besides it's amazing sound was the opportunity for easy upgrade. I figured over the next year or so I would invest in those upgrades. Well the cost /benefit of those upgrades as well as working with my dealer for home demo has really accelerated the acquisition . I have been asked to provide A vs B vs B Vs C vs A on Femto 93 clock / Powerbase impressions for those who want to know what to upgrade first . I will follow up with that at a later date but for now I will leave a brief description of my experience as I installed first the clock then added the powerbase a few days later.
    Buying the MSB Premier was like acquiring a thoroughbred race horse . Changing the clock was like adding a golden saddle. Adding the powerbase was like putting firecrackers in its ass.
    To slightly expand, the clock added smoothness ( hard to believe it was going to get much better than the stock clock) and the the powerbase provided incredible attack and speed. Yes I will at a later date satisfy those wanting to know the A's vs the B's but for the next week I am only going to enjoy what I am hearing.
    Thanks for the write up Bill.


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    Re: The MSB Premier review I didn't write

    Quote Originally Posted by KeithR View Post
    Thanks for the teaser, Bill

    I heard the top of the line Esoteric SACD player on Rockports a few weeks ago and couldn't understand the hub bub. Relatively dry and dead sounding digital. Until we switched to analog I was disappointed. I also heard the new dCS Bartok a few weeks prior and the system sounded "digital."

    I continue to think most of the other dacs I hear sound like "good digital" with MSB the only one that gives the best of analog and digital.
    Agreed.


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    Re: The MSB Premier review I didn't write

    Billt1 -

    Your quote of...

    “Adding the powerbase was like putting firecrackers in its ass.”

    is one of the funniest and most telling lines I’ve come across in audio. A good one!
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    Re: The MSB Premier review I didn't write

    Quote Originally Posted by KeithR View Post

    ..I heard the top of the line Esoteric SACD player...
    As in, Grandioso K1?

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    Re: The MSB Premier review I didn't write

    I mean no insult to any other DAC or system " As I continue to listen and try to come up explanations for what I am hearing it’s like all my previous digital systems as good as some of them were, were just wrong."

    As I write this I know it sounds insulting , it's not meant to be. It's just my experience in my systems your results may vary but oh boy am I happy.
    System #1................................................ System #2

    ROON Nucleus + server ...............................SME 20/3A
    MSB Premier DAC / V2 Renderer ...................SME V arm
    VAC Signature MkII SE Preamp .....................Dynavector TE Kaitora Rua
    Aesthetix Altas Signature Stereo Amp.......... Sutherland current gain phono stage prototype now called Phono loco
    Wilson Audio Sasha II................................ Aesthetix Romulus Signature
    REL G1 Mk II (pair) Subs............................ Bryston BDP2
    Transparent Audio Gen 5 Reference........... T+A PA3000HV Integrated
    .................................................. ...............Vienna Acoustic Liszt
    .................................................. ...............Audience Front Row

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    Re: The MSB Premier review I didn't write

    The MSB trail is like the Matrix, lefty or righty, which rabbit hole??? The most worst thing about it..... , they all sound good, bastards!!!

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    Re: The MSB Premier review I didn't write

    Quote Originally Posted by Billt1 View Post
    I mean no insult to any other DAC or system " As I continue to listen and try to come up explanations for what I am hearing itís like all my previous digital systems as good as some of them were, were just wrong."

    As I write this I know it sounds insulting , it's not meant to be. It's just my experience in my systems your results may vary but oh boy am I happy.
    What exactly is just wrong with all the other digital? Such a strong statement of yours requires clarification.
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    Re: The MSB Premier review I didn't write

    Quote Originally Posted by Billt1 View Post
    In a separate room:
    SME 20/3 with SME V tonearm, Dynavector te kaitora rua , Sutherland prototype current gain ( now called phonoloco) phono stage, T+A HV3000PA integrated , Vienna Acoustic List speakers , Audience SX cabling and conditioning , many tweeks
    Bill,

    I don't like to comment on people's rooms, but I really like what I see in that picture. If a picture speaks a thousand words I bet it sounds awesome. Not familiar with the equipment but the setup looks great. Congrats.

    I also love that there is no coffee table in front of your chair and the perspective from your chair seems to indicate the "right" height of the chair back.

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    Speakers: Gobel Epoque Aeon Fine
    DAC: MSB Select II with Femto33 Renderer V2 and USB V2
    Amplifier: CH Precision M1 Amplifier
    Interconnects and Speaker Cables: Gobel Lacorde Statement XLR Interconnects, Speaker Cables, Power Cords and Ethernet Cable
    Walker Audio Amplifier Stand
    Roon/NAS on isolated network
    Poltrona Frau Willy Chair
    Art Novion Komodo W Absorbers on Front Wall
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    TBD: Rack for MSB Select II

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    Re: The MSB Premier review I didn't write

    Quote Originally Posted by Al M. View Post
    What exactly is just wrong with all the other digital? Such a strong statement of yours requires clarification.
    I realize it was a strong statement. I have spoke to this many times now that MSB has changed my listening habits. I have been in this hobby for 40 years, traveled across the country and abroad attending many audio shows per year, visit high end audio shops 3 times a month and read every major audio publication all in an effort to understand and have a base line reference for what I am doing. I can only speak to my own experience with the products that I have owned. Many digital front ends I have owned have been spectacular, articulate, highly resolving and sometimes almost startling. That being said , unlike my analog system in another room , there has always been an underlining limit to the amount of time I would listen , usually about 30 minutes. It never was that apparent to me until it changed after acquiring the Premier . My listening secession went from 30 minutes to hours and hasn't changed for months. Even though previously my system was pretty good I was always on the hunt, how can I make this better? There is going to be a cable, conditioner, powercord, amp or something to bring me to the next step. The MSB DAC revolutionized my digital listening habits to the extent I do not dare to even breathe on my system, at least for now. My statements are meant to bring no disrespect to any other quality product only an offering of my personal experience .
    System #1................................................ System #2

    ROON Nucleus + server ...............................SME 20/3A
    MSB Premier DAC / V2 Renderer ...................SME V arm
    VAC Signature MkII SE Preamp .....................Dynavector TE Kaitora Rua
    Aesthetix Altas Signature Stereo Amp.......... Sutherland current gain phono stage prototype now called Phono loco
    Wilson Audio Sasha II................................ Aesthetix Romulus Signature
    REL G1 Mk II (pair) Subs............................ Bryston BDP2
    Transparent Audio Gen 5 Reference........... T+A PA3000HV Integrated
    .................................................. ...............Vienna Acoustic Liszt
    .................................................. ...............Audience Front Row

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