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    Discrete DAC -- output to pre-amp

    I notice in the Discrete's user manual, it says to connect the outputs to the inputs of any amplifier. What does this mean as far as connecting to a pre-amp ?
    Thanks
    My system:
    Power: PS Audio P15 , dedicated 20amp circuits
    Front End: MSB Discrete DAC with MSB renderer

    Pre: Simaudio Moon 740P
    Amp: McIntosh MC462
    Speakers: B&W 802 D3
    Interconnects: AQ Earth XLR and Stealth Metacarbon
    Speaker Cable: AQ Type 4 (20 ft runs)

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    Re: Discrete DAC -- output to pre-amp

    If the Discrete DAC is a DAC with preamp capability but you already have a preamp in the chain it has a "Unity Gain" setting for it's volume control for use in that scenario. So you set the Discrete to that Unity gain volume setting and hook it up to your preamp like any other source. For example on your Lumin that setting is a 100 but other DACs have different settings.
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    Re: Discrete DAC -- output to pre-amp

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    If the Discrete DAC is a DAC with preamp capability but you already have a preamp in the chain it has a "Unity Gain" setting for it's volume control for use in that scenario. So you set the Discrete to that Unity gain volume setting and hook it up to your preamp like any other source. For example on your Lumin that setting is a 100 but other DACs have different settings.
    Thank you again Jack ! If you had a preamp that you really liked (as I do), would you hesitate to buy a DAC that had a preamp capability or is this just a non issue given the unity gain setting ? I notice that the Discrete's User guide states:
    Note: If you choose to use the DAC with an external preamp, we recommend turning thevolume control off. To do this, turn the knob past 100 to either “Volume Off - Native” or “Volume Off - Optimized”



    My system:
    Power: PS Audio P15 , dedicated 20amp circuits
    Front End: MSB Discrete DAC with MSB renderer

    Pre: Simaudio Moon 740P
    Amp: McIntosh MC462
    Speakers: B&W 802 D3
    Interconnects: AQ Earth XLR and Stealth Metacarbon
    Speaker Cable: AQ Type 4 (20 ft runs)

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    Re: Discrete DAC -- output to pre-amp

    No I wouldn't as the DAC in use now in both of my systems have preamp capability so they are both set to the Unity Gain setting which in most cases is max to get you to 2v or 4v. I don't know what the difference is for MSB with "native" or "optimized" but I'm sure Mike or some of the other owners do.
    Main - JVC QL-Y7/Denon DL-301 Mk II, Gold Note PH-10, Jays CDT3 Mk3 , Auralic Aries G2.2, Holo May KTE, Supratek Cabernet, Kinki Studio EX-B7 monoblocks, Verity Audio Otello, (2) Rythmik F12SE, Audio Envy IC, SC & PC's, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Inakustik USB and I2S, (2) Puritan Audio Labs PSM-156 with Groundmaster City, Timbernation rack

    Family Room - Oppo UDP-203, Auralic Aries, Aqua La Voce S3, Kinki Studio EX-M1+, Nola KO, (2) Rythmik F-12G, Wireworld SC & IC's, Neotech PC's, SurgeX SA-1810

    Greenville, SC- Jays CDT2 Mk 3, Auralic Aries G1, Holo Spring 3 KTE, Supratek Chardonnay, Odyssey Audio Kismet Reference, Rosso Fiorentino Volterra 2, (2) RSL Speedwoofers, iFi Audio Power Station, Wireworld IC's, Inakustik USB and I2s, Triode Wire Lab SC, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Furutech NCF Clear Line, Timbernation rack.

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    Re: Discrete DAC -- output to pre-amp

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    No I wouldn't as the DAC in use now in both of my systems have preamp capability so they are both set to the Unity Gain setting which in most cases is max to get you to 2v or 4v. I don't know what the difference is for MSB with "native" or "optimized" but I'm sure Mike or some of the other owners do.
    Thanks for the clarification.
    My system:
    Power: PS Audio P15 , dedicated 20amp circuits
    Front End: MSB Discrete DAC with MSB renderer

    Pre: Simaudio Moon 740P
    Amp: McIntosh MC462
    Speakers: B&W 802 D3
    Interconnects: AQ Earth XLR and Stealth Metacarbon
    Speaker Cable: AQ Type 4 (20 ft runs)

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