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    Re: Magnepan 30.7 Demo

    I also attended this demo, and likewise felt it was not an optimal presentation. However, I think the room (and orientation within the room) deserve most of the blame. I presume Wendell (and the local dealer) did the best they could given the time constraints, and would have opted for a better venue if they could have found one. Interestingly, I noticed some resistors (I believe) placed across the panel inputs, likely to tame some of the brightness of the setup. I've heard large Maggie's (not the 30.7's) at other shows/demos, and was always impressed with their overall tonality and imaging.

    The bigger issue, however, is the marketing approach Wendell/Magnepan is taking. Most of the attendees were (relatively) fossilized geezers like myself who are members of our two local audiophile societies, who were just curious to hear the new model, yack it up with like-minded folks, with no intention of buying a pair. IMHO, they should have been demo'ing at least THREE models, at various price points (including the Mini Maggies and/or MMGi, a mid-priced model, and the 30.7's), with a local social media publicity blitz targeting college students and millennials, telling them to bring their portable music sources for a free demo. Otherwise (as I told Wendell) I think they're wasting time and $$ "preaching to the choir."

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    Re: Magnepan 30.7 Demo

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Oh, look, a chair!

    Those who weren’t there, listen to those who were. If you weren’t there, you don’t know. Many chose driving home in traffic to staying. ‘Nuff said.


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    What is your point Mike. It could be taken 2 ways.

    1 The 30.7 are just bad no matter the situation.

    2 The 30.7 were set up wrong in a bad room with non optimum electronics - etc. Just a bad showing that evening.

    Why is everyone so focused on this evening and only this showing? Are people looking for a reason to not like this model?
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    Re: Magnepan 30.7 Demo

    Okay. So it looks like Brad and I (who were actually there) gave our opinion on these flagships. We did not try and psychoanalyse what we heard, as the whys and the wherefores are only speculation at best. I did not bring up Magnepan’s past success either. Neither did I look at the photos and ask why there were windows on the back wall or flower pots sitting on the floor. I guess this is where our hobby has gone. Someone who loves the 20.7’s cannot speculate how great the 30.7’s are without hearing them. I am not saying my opinion is absolute, but all this talk is just that if you have never heard these particular models. Yes, no one was more of a fan of Magnepans then me. Do I love the fact that they are one of the last bastions of USA made audio products ? YES. But I love audio too much to not be objective about what I am actually hearing. Shouldn’t we simply let these transducers stand on their own merrit ? I would hope we can do that without bringing all this baggage into the discussion. It might sound brutal, but when I go to audio shows or when I go to a dealer for a demo, I give them one chance to put their best foot forward. If the sound does not suit me I move on. Why should I waste my time trying to speculate why ? The fact is, I really don’t know why. More importantly I really don’t care.
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    Re: Magnepan 30.7 Demo

    My last reply in this thread:

    I was thinking how fabulous they could sound in Mike’s middle showroom - for two reasons - (1) a vastly better room. And (2) Mike would definitely have made sure the sound was going to be good by making the time and insisting on a knock-out demo.

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    Re: Magnepan 30.7 Demo

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Smith View Post
    My last reply in this thread:

    I was thinking how fabulous they could sound in Mike’s middle showroom - for two reasons - (1) a vastly better room. And (2) Mike would definitely have made sure the sound was going to be good by making the time and insisting on a knock-out demo.

    IMO, of course.


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    Oh Absolutely. Thanks for the kind words Jim. I would get them dialed in, that you can be sure. I would definitely not have people standing (rather than sitting) as you get nasty reflections off the ceiling. But standing negates the obvious: the pea size sweet spot of all Maggies. I did grab a chair (as you can see by the photo). Just don't shift from one butt cheek to the other or you'll lose the center image. I certainly have a lot to say on the matter, but I think its best I just keep my thoughts to myself concerning the company and its representative. I've owned five pairs of Maggies, I know what they can do and what they can't do well. When you are shopping in the $5K territory, they make a very compelling argument and give you a wow factor like few others in that price point can do. When you are talking $30K, I think there are lots of things to take into consideration.

    As a dealer, I don't think I would be interested. Magnepan requires all their dealers to have solid core store hours (Monday - Saturday). This, to me, is an outdated model and certainly not one that makes sense in my Geographical region. Also, I just can't do that due to my personal circumstances with my children. I'm up at 5:45am to begin my day with school and before school activities. During the day, I have other matters to attend to and can't always be at the store (although, most times I am at the store during the bulk of the day). Maggies require a lot of floor space, look like room dividers, have a lot WAF and frankly, they are a lot of work for not a lot of money. Most Maggie dealers I know dread dealing with headaches for such little ROI. But the 1.7/3.7's are very popular and the MMG's make a great intro speaker for not a lot of money.

    I would love a panel speaker offering, but my heart is with Quad, SoundLabs, KLH Model 9's (the new ones), Martin Logan (the new ESL 9/11/13/15a series is awesome), etc.

    I truly wish the local dealer luck with the brand. He's a very nice man, I enjoyed meeting him and certainly a big step up in terms of personality than the last guy who sold Maggies in this area. I truly hope he does well with the brand.

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    Re: Magnepan 30.7 Demo

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Oh, look, a chair!

    Those who weren’t there, listen to those who were. If you weren’t there, you don’t know. Many chose driving home in traffic to staying. ‘Nuff said.


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    Mike-I have never heard the 30.7s in any venue. I'm not proclaiming them as good or bad speakers. I believe that people who were at the demo you attended agree the 30.7s didn't sound good as demoed in that particular room with the gear that was provided for the demo. My only point is that how do you know what the culprit or culprits are for the bad sound? I would never walk into a room at an audio show and hear a system that didn't sound good to me made up of components I'm not familiar with, and walk out of the room and tell people the reason the sound sucked was due to the speakers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Mike-I have never heard the 30.7s in any venue. I'm not proclaiming them as good or bad speakers. I believe that people who were at the demo you attended agree the 30.7s didn't sound good as demoed in that particular room with the gear that was provided for the demo. My only point is that how do you know what the culprit or culprits are for the bad sound? I would never walk into a room at an audio show and hear a system that didn't sound good to me made up of components I'm not familiar with, and walk out of the room and tell people the reason the sound sucked was due to the speakers.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Oh Absolutely. Thanks for the kind words Jim. I would get them dialed in, that you can be sure. I would definitely not have people standing (rather than sitting) as you get nasty reflections off the ceiling. But standing negates the obvious: the pea size sweet spot of all Maggies. I did grab a chair (as you can see by the photo). Just don't shift from one butt cheek to the other or you'll lose the center image. I certainly have a lot to say on the matter, but I think its best I just keep my thoughts to myself concerning the company and its representative. I've owned five pairs of Maggies, I know what they can do and what they can't do well. When you are shopping in the $5K territory, they make a very compelling argument and give you a wow factor like few others in that price point can do. When you are talking $30K, I think there are lots of things to take into consideration.

    As a dealer, I don't think I would be interested. Magnepan requires all their dealers to have solid core store hours (Monday - Saturday). This, to me, is an outdated model and certainly not one that makes sense in my Geographical region. Also, I just can't do that due to my personal circumstances with my children. I'm up at 5:45am to begin my day with school and before school activities. During the day, I have other matters to attend to and can't always be at the store (although, most times I am at the store during the bulk of the day). Maggies require a lot of floor space, look like room dividers, have a lot WAF and frankly, they are a lot of work for not a lot of money. Most Maggie dealers I know dread dealing with headaches for such little ROI. But the 1.7/3.7's are very popular and the MMG's make a great intro speaker for not a lot of money.

    I would love a panel speaker offering, but my heart is with Quad, SoundLabs, KLH Model 9's (the new ones), Martin Logan (the new ESL 9/11/13/15a series is awesome), etc.

    I truly wish the local dealer luck with the brand. He's a very nice man, I enjoyed meeting him and certainly a big step up in terms of personality than the last guy who sold Maggies in this area. I truly hope he does well with the brand.

    Mike
    Mike,

    First I agree with everything you say and they are definitely NOT for everyone.

    The one comment you made; "When you are shopping in the $5K territory, they make a very compelling argument" I think requires some clarification. Even at 5K while you might be purchasing a relatively inexpensive speaker, you need to spend a decent amount on appropriate amplification to drive them to the best of their ability; so the 5K often leads to a much more expensive endeavor than the enduser initially thought.

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    Re: Magnepan 30.7 Demo

    Quote Originally Posted by Priaptor View Post
    Mike,

    First I agree with everything you say and they are definitely NOT for everyone.

    The one comment you made; "When you are shopping in the $5K territory, they make a very compelling argument" I think requires some clarification. Even at 5K while you might be purchasing a relatively inexpensive speaker, you need to spend a decent amount on appropriate amplification to drive them to the best of their ability; so the 5K often leads to a much more expensive endeavor than the enduser initially thought.
    Yes, absolutely true. They love power/current, but the smaller models can't play loud, a bit of a conundrum indeed. Like I said, I've owned 5 pairs (MMG, 1.6, 1.7, 3.6 and lastly, 3.7's). I enjoyed my time, but I went nuts constantly adjusting them due to the tiny sweet spot. Bass has a bit of a "plastic" sound I always found as well.

    But look, setup right, playing classical music perhaps, in the right room, right electronics, the 30.7's can do some things very well I'm sure. I just think it's best to demo speakers in a proper seating position. Everyone can share the sweet spot, it's ok, they'll live.

    I know Jim Smith advocates finding the best seating position FIRST, then dial in the speakers. I do too. When the demo is "no chairs allowed, go walk around", I don't know if that's the best approach. Reflections off the ceiling are a real problem and actually create time delay issues. I tried to explain this to the powers that be at the demo, but was told, "if you want a use a chair to stand on, that would be ok, but not to sit on." I'm not sure what the point was. It's so hard to focus on what's going on when the high frequencies are reflecting off the ceiling and singeing your ears off. As you can see by the picture, I'm not a good listener. In the chair, I was able to get a much better idea of what the speakers can do and not do. I had a hard time with the very over sized imaging, as others have mentioned above. Again, could be setup, don't know.
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    Thanks to the attendees for sharing your opinions!

    Regarding the sole chair in the room, from what I read about these demos, Magnepan has insisted on having no seats at these events. As an owner of Magnepan speakers, i have to agree with Mike about the small size of the sweet spot and how important it is to be *seated* at that spot to fully appreciate what they can do. IMHO Forcing folks to listen to these speakers while standing is questionable.

    As the saying goes, you only have one time to make a good first impression. Sounds to me that regardless of the reason (speaker, room, seating or lack there of, electronics, etc.) Magnepan has been wasting that opportunity at these demo shows.

    I have been a fan of Magnepan speakers for many years and very much would like for the 30.7 to succeed. I moved from the 3.6 to the 20.1 and then to the 20.7 without bothering to listen to any other speaker. I consider all of them fantastic speakers and an amazing value. However, at twice the price of the 20.7, any potential buyer of the 30.7 would likely be exploring other options as well. (At least I would).

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    Re: Magnepan 30.7 Demo

    Nicoff, what do you drive them with? Do they perform better with one source over another?
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    Re: Magnepan 30.7 Demo

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    Nicoff, what do you drive them with? Do they perform better with one source over another?
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    I drive the 20.7 with Classe M600 monoblocks. Previously I used to drive the 20.1 with Classe CAM350 monoblocks. The Classes and the Maggies work well together.

    Long ago I used to have not so powerful amps and the ribbon tweeters kept breaking. Magnepans work best with driven by powerful high current amps.

    By source, do you mean type of music?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicoff View Post
    I drive the 20.7 with Classe M600 monoblocks. Previously I used to drive the 20.1 with Classe CAM350 monoblocks. The Classes and the Maggies work well together.

    Long ago I used to have not so powerful amps and the ribbon tweeters kept breaking. Magnepans work best with driven by powerful high current amps.

    By source, do you mean type of music?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingrex View Post
    Phono, digital, tapes? Do they like a source.
    The Magnepans can play music from all three sources very well; no discrimination there. The type of music is where there is a difference. They excel at acoustic music (jazz and female voices are great examples). They are also very good at playing classical music (ensembles, chamber, lieder). A full orchestra playing loud (Mahler for example) can make it reach its limits. They are not the ideal speakers for bass-heavy rock music (although this can be adjusted by adding one or two subs).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Yes, absolutely true. They love power/current, but the smaller models can't play loud, a bit of a conundrum indeed. Like I said, I've owned 5 pairs (MMG, 1.6, 1.7, 3.6 and lastly, 3.7's). I enjoyed my time, but I went nuts constantly adjusting them due to the tiny sweet spot. Bass has a bit of a "plastic" sound I always found as well.

    But look, setup right, playing classical music perhaps, in the right room, right electronics, the 30.7's can do some things very well I'm sure. I just think it's best to demo speakers in a proper seating position. Everyone can share the sweet spot, it's ok, they'll live.

    I know Jim Smith advocates finding the best seating position FIRST, then dial in the speakers. I do too. When the demo is "no chairs allowed, go walk around", I don't know if that's the best approach. Reflections off the ceiling are a real problem and actually create time delay issues. I tried to explain this to the powers that be at the demo, but was told, "if you want a use a chair to stand on, that would be ok, but not to sit on." I'm not sure what the point was. It's so hard to focus on what's going on when the high frequencies are reflecting off the ceiling and singeing your ears off. As you can see by the picture, I'm not a good listener. In the chair, I was able to get a much better idea of what the speakers can do and not do. I had a hard time with the very over sized imaging, as others have mentioned above. Again, could be setup, don't know.

    Speakers were way too far apart , no chairs was to avoid listening to the odd imaging and sound.

    BTW , Line-source speakers have way less ceiling and floor bounce than point source speakers, quite possibly it was side wall reflections more so than ceiling reflections you were experiencing ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    Speakers were way too far apart , no chairs was to avoid listening to the odd imaging and sound.

    BTW , Line-source speakers have way less ceiling and floor bounce than point source speakers, quite possibly it was side wall reflections more so than ceiling reflections you were experiencing ...
    Not according to the study in HiFi News.


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    My measurement mic and ears work pretty well , HiFi news can borrow both when they are ready ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    My measurement mic and ears work pretty well , HiFi news can borrow both when they are ready ..
    Line arrays have issues with ceiling reflections and time domain issues.


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    Re: Magnepan 30.7 Demo

    Linesource Mike not line arrays ...?

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    Re: Magnepan 30.7 Demo

    I don't know how Maggies are to be positioned when installed so my observation may not apply.

    I have had a number of electrostatic speakers Accoustat and Martin Logan.

    The vertical positioning in relation to each other and the listening seat is paramount. My approach is that the center, top to bottom of the panel needs to be pointing at a 90 degree angle to you ears when seated. This allows for the sound waves from the panel to reach your ear at evenly as possible. If the panels are leaning forward or backward in relation to your ears, making the waves arrive at vastly different timing it does nothing but degrade the sound.

    This doesn't even address the toe in on the speakers for the room seating positioning.

    One of the things I looked at at the demo was the speakers in relation to each other from the side. They were pointing in 4 different directions and all were leaning backward. I would think this may have been a reason that the imaging was an issue.
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    Speakers were way too far apart , no chairs was to avoid listening to the odd imaging and sound.

    BTW , Line-source speakers have way less ceiling and floor bounce than point source speakers, quite possibly it was side wall reflections more so than ceiling reflections you were experiencing ...

    More speculation! The proof is in the pudding, and only in the pudding. Take a listen and report back. I think Magnepan is still in the area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph R. View Post
    More speculation! The proof is in the pudding, and only in the pudding. Take a listen and report back. I think Magnepan is still in the area.
    No speculation at all and what should i be listening for ....?

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    No speculation at all and what should i be listening for ....?
    Words like “quite possibly” sounds like speculation to me. If you have not heard the 30.7’s, then its all speculation. Or if you were not at that particular installation, again it’s all speculation. Or opinions on the compatability of the electronics mating with the speakers. Or the foilbles of the venue for that matter. I can’t believe so many people have opinions on speakers they have never heard. Why can’t they appreciate and learn from the observations of the audiophiles who were there. A simple “thank you” would suffice.
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    The review is to late. Everyone heard about a bad showing and decided that was the defining presentation. No second chances for a first good impression.
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    Nor a second or third ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph R. View Post
    Words like “quite possibly” sounds like speculation to me. If you have not heard the 30.7’s, then its all speculation. Or if you were not at that particular installation, again it’s all speculation. Or opinions on the compatability of the electronics mating with the speakers. Or the foilbles of the venue for that matter. I can’t believe so many people have opinions on speakers they have never heard. Why can’t they appreciate and learn from the observations of the audiophiles who were there. A simple “thank you” would suffice.

    No specualtion as to roof reflections , quite possibly to side reflections means just that a high possibliity it was all side reflections , maybe you needed to attend to verify, Im good , mike only had to post the pics and zero comments and its all good ...


    Now if Mike had said fantastic ..! Then for sure i would have to attend.. ..

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    I am Brian Rovinsky, the owner of Sweet Home Audio in Clearwater. I'm the guy responsible for putting on this Magnepan 30.7 speaker demonstration in the Tampa Bay Area. First, thank you all who took the time and trouble to attend this show. With very short notice, almost 50 people RSVP'd for the event and most of them did come in. It was very gratifying to see so many come in on a Monday afternoon/evening especially with so little notice. I know many more music lovers would have come in had the event taken place over the weekend. I'm sorry that that wasn't possible. I specifically want to thank the Suncoast Audiophile Society, the Sarasota Audiophile Society and the Space Coast Audiophile Society. You each did wonders in helping to get the word out about this event.

    I've read the many comments made about this event and the Magnepan 30.7 speakers. I want you all to know that any deficit in the sound we were able to get in that room is my fault alone and not Wendell's or Magnepan's and certainly not the 30.7 speakers. It might be helpful to some to understand the reason compromises were made in the presentation of these amazing speakers. Fundamental is the listening space. My shop is way too small to host an event like this. You might find it hard to believe, but the Largo Community Center gave us the least acoustic compromise of all the event venues I was able to find willing to rent us their spaces for this event. I will spare you the details of my search for a better venue. But, if you have any interest in finding a location for a wedding or Bar Mitzva, I can refer you to a couple dozen locations in the Tampa Bay Area. As for a good location for a presentation of speakers intended for home use, not so much.

    We were able to get into this event location, and Wendell saw it for the first time, just three hours before the event started on Monday afternoon. He instantly knew we were going to have trouble with the acoustics, as did I. It was what we had to work with, however, and we set the speakers and equipment up as well as we could with the belief that audiophiles would understand the problems with the room and listen critically with those compromises in mind. The choices were to present the speakers to our local audiophiles and music lovers in this far-from-ideal space, or don't present them at all. Perhaps it would have been a better service to the speakers and to the attendees to have forgone the event. Maybe, but I am, nonetheless, glad that I hosted the event if for no other reason than to have met so many people who care enough about music at home to take the time to come in. That, and to give those attending a taste of what these Magnepan 30.7 speakers are capable of even in a crappy room.

    The venue was at least twice the size that we wanted. The room ate up the bass and presented other acoustic problems. My sincere apologies to any of you who found this unacceptable. We weren't too happy with it either. Should I ever do another such event, I will definitely take all the complaints about this presentation to heart. It does pain me that criticism that rightly belongs of me and my efforts are misplaced upon these magnificent Magnepan loudspeakers. I hope you get to hear them some day in a room appropriate for them.

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    Brian - welcome to the forum. It was nice to meet you. You had a difficult task no matter what: new brand, new speaker for that brand, unfamiliar venue and a rep you’re just getting to know. Don’t blame yourself. It’s not easy to dial everything in in strange location. I would have suggested chairs would have been nice and would have mitigated some grumbling. Otherwise, I sincerely wish you the best of luck with Magnepan. You’re a much nicer guy than their previous Maggie dealer on the west coast of Florida. I wish you and your lovely wife success.


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    First of all Brian... a warm welcome to AudioShark!

    I'm sorry that the demo didn't work out as well as you'd hoped it would, and I think most of us can understand the difficulty in being able to effectively run such an event in an unfamiliar room. I also have to say that you're a real mensch in admitting the demo was apparently less than optimal and taking full responsibility for its outcome. I'm sure that as these demos progress they will continue to improve and that the speakers will be given the praise that they likely deserve. It's apparent to me from your post that you have the proper attitude towards your potential customers and in the end these things tend to all work themselves out.

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    Welcome to AudioShark, Brian! Thanks for putting forth the effort to host this event. Sorry to hear it didn’t turn out as planned. Better luck next time.

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    Seems like we are coming full circle here. People who attended the event from this forum seemed to reach a consensus that the problems heard were all the fault of the speakers. Early on I asked how the room and possibly the associated gear weren't involved in the outcome of what was heard. One guy in particular was offended that someone (me) would suggest there were other contributing factors. Fast forward to now and another demo of the 30.7s took place in Jacksonville, FL. Here is the post from that event:

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    Mep, I would respectfully disagree.

    I don't think the consensus is that the speakers in and of themselves was the problem. I still stand by my posts that the room and the speaker setup was the issue. I don't know what the 30.7's sound like properly setup.
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    Must have been the room.Magnepan 30.7 Demo


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    Haaa ha , much smaller room and bass panels to the outside.
    Wonder how they sound vs Tympani’s . ??



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    Here is my review that was linked to above:

    Last night I caught up with the Magnepan 30.7s and Wendell Diller on their cross continent tour. The demonstration was hosted in Jacksonville FL by the House of Stereo. I have been a long time acquaintance and client of the House of Stereo and had multiple occasions to enjoy their Magnepan 20.7s in one of their well-designed two channel listening rooms. I have always enjoyed the acoustics of this room which is large, not over dampened, and not too lively.
    Knowing this room with the Ayre amplification and DAC, Wolf Audio Server, VPI analogue, along with Audience Cables and Power Conditioning allowed me a special comparison of just replacing the 20.7s with the 30.7s. Wendell set up the room as it has been described in previous tour write ups with most of the room cleared, including the proverbial “sweet spot”, enabling the participants to freely move through the sound field. Not only could we move about the room, we were expressly encouraged to do just that! Mr Diller started the demonstration with a short introduction about what he described as the “Power Curve”. The description was followed by the participants visiting multiple areas within the demonstration room, while music played, with an expectation we would have a similar musical experience at each location. The power curve description proposed that, with the 30.7s, all points in the room would receive similar power and subsequently a similar musical presentation. This proposition did bear fruit in my experience moving about this room.
    The 30.7 in their touring colors of blue trim and white cloth are impressive and visually bright in person. Powered by the Ayre VX-5/20 through Audience AU24SX speaker cables the sound was everything excellent I have experienced with planars before with the addition of a dynamic in the bass that has always lacked for me previously. The 20.7s in this room and system always were enjoyable and engaging. The 30.7s were at a different level. When symphonic tympani drums hit you in the gut, as they are supposed to in the Copland piece that was used as a system warmup, you know these are not your father’s planars. The sound of the 30.7 was both enveloping and precise. The soundstage was very defined and with great depth that did not disappear or really change as you moved away from the “sweet spot” area to almost any point in the room. There was a little collapse as we walked behind the speakers but this was not a concern to myself.
    In the appropriate sized room that can produce music without distracting barrier reflections and other echo artifacts these 30.7s produced music in a way that altered my planar perception. I have the same Ayre amp and DAC… Similar Audience cables… Now I just need that MUCH larger house with the MUCH larger dedicated room and my order for the 30.7s will be called in… Thank you Magnepan, Wendell Diller, and the House of Stereo.

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    Cynthia hears Magnepan 30.7 on tour
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    Wendell Diller of Magnepan on the importance of a speaker's 'Power Response' and why there are no chairs in their 30.7 demo tour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORo-fWwtMKE

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    Quote Originally Posted by audio.bill View Post
    Wendell Diller of Magnepan on the importance of a speaker's 'Power Response' and why there are no chairs in their 30.7 demo tour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORo-fWwtMKE
    So if you buy 30.1’s, plan on standing to listen to them? Magnepan 30.7 Demo. There is not getting around the “head in the vice” with Maggie’s - I’ve owned 5 pairs: MMG, 1.6, 1.7, 3.6 and 3.7. They are GREAT speakers for the money, but they need a lot of power (and can’t play particularly loud) and you need to lock your head in a vice when listening (same with ML). But what they do for the $$ - especially the 1.7’s - is terrific.
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    I agree that there is something odd about the no chairs approach. I have owned Maggies for decades. Still own the 3.6. Magnepans are amazing speakers and hard to beat for the price. But the "head in a vice" and inability to play very loud without blowing fuses or ribbons are definitely issues for me.
    I still don't get the 30.7. There is no new technology that can be pointed to. They use the exact same ribbon and mid-range of the 20.7 (actually they use the same ribbon as my decade old 3.6!). Hard (for me) to justify double the price for a larger bass area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by audio.bill View Post
    Wendell Diller of Magnepan on the importance of a speaker's 'Power Response' and why there are no chairs in their 30.7 demo tour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORo-fWwtMKE
    Just to be clear I wasn't advocating their approach nor did I mean my post as an endorsement of Magnepans (which have their attributes along with some shortcomings, like most good speakers) but just wanted to share the manufacturer's perspective.

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    Mr. Diller would have had a more positive reaction by audiophiles if he would have utilized a different setup approach. Positioning chairs as normally done in one's listening environment and, also, inviting people to walk around the room. I heard most people complain during the local demo about the no chairs room configuration than any positive comments about the merits of the speakers and their sound.

    Feedback has been given but Mr. Diller still feels standing room only is the best to showcase the 30.1's; that's his prerogative I guess.
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