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    Re: MSB Premier arrives as Suncoast Audio

    What's the length of the umbilical cable?

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    Re: MSB Premier arrives as Suncoast Audio

    12" or less. I'd have to measure.
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    Am at 72+ consecutive burn in hours now and the big change I have noticed is more coherency across the board. The bass isn’t there yet though.

    Mike - it is running quite warm, verging on hot. Well, hot is relative - it is nowhere close to the Antileon Evo! Let’s call it very warm. Can easily leave hand on it for a long time. Is this ok?
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    Re: MSB Premier arrives as Suncoast Audio

    Wrong thread, but do any Roon users know how to get rid of the annoying “Radio Off” window?
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    Wrong thread, but do any Roon users know how to get rid of the annoying “Radio Off” window?
    I suggest that you create a new thread and you will get more responses.

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    Re: MSB Premier arrives as Suncoast Audio

    That is my plan B
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    That is my plan B
    I use Roon but do not know the answer. Try Roonlabs forums.

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    Thanks. I went to this thread as I know most people on it use Roon. Don’t want to derail - hoping to get quick answer. I did spend a few minutes on the Roon website, but couldn’t find answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    Am at 72+ consecutive burn in hours now and the big change I have noticed is more coherency across the board. The bass isn’t there yet though.

    Mike - it is running quite warm, verging on hot. Well, hot is relative - it is nowhere close to the Antileon Evo! Let’s call it very warm. Can easily leave hand on it for a long time. Is this ok?
    It definitely can run warm, but mine is a rack above a tube amp and also isn't on spikes yet as my rack placement is going to change. Yours looks like its in a semi-enclosed space so no surprise. You might want to have your dealer email MSB.

    I've got another 200 hours or so on mine and probably 3-400 overall. I will go one more week. Nice thing about digital is run-in is a breeze - try doing it with phono preamps lol. Allowing the Innuous to just run Roon Radio with my amp turned off rocks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    Am at 72+ consecutive burn in hours now and the big change I have noticed is more coherency across the board. The bass isn’t there yet though.

    Mike - it is running quite warm, verging on hot. Well, hot is relative - it is nowhere close to the Antileon Evo! Let’s call it very warm. Can easily leave hand on it for a long time. Is this ok?
    Strange, mine is not warm at all. It is standing on top of the powerunit with spikes on both units.

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    Yes. And my Discrete is enroute. The Premier is breaking in nicely. It sounds better with a good preamp IMO. Unlike the Select II which has a $12,000 internal preamp module, the Premier is superb, but I like it with a preamp.

    The sound is totally MSB. Very analog like. Very analog like. It’s of course not at the level of the Select II, but it’s superb and real winner at its price point.


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    Interesting, Mike. Can you please define analog like? I don't know what you mean, even though I listen to great turntables in my friends' systems all the time. How is it in your view more analog like than other digital?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al M. View Post
    Interesting, Mike. Can you please define analog like? I don't know what you mean, even though I listen to great turntables in my friends' systems all the time. How is it in your view more analog like than other digital?

    Thanks
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    Al,

    So many DAC’s have that hashy, processed sounding, thin, overly sibilant, forward, fatiguing sound. They don’t sound organic. They don’t sound like master tape. They sound very computerized, oozing their 1’s and 0’s with pride. They don’t sound natural.

    The MSB is the polar opposite. It sounds organic, rich, natural. It has body. It never sounds processed. It sound so close to master tape.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Al,

    So many DAC’s have that hashy, processed sounding, thin, overly sibilant, forward, fatiguing sound. They don’t sound organic. They don’t sound like master tape. They sound very computerized, oozing their 1’s and 0’s with pride. They don’t sound natural.

    The MSB is the polar opposite. It sounds organic, rich, natural. It has body. It never sounds processed. It sound so close to master tape.


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    Thanks, Mike. I guess then my Yggdrasil DAC sounds analog by that standard. Others may disagree. In any case, just a few days ago I had a vinyl lover over and he thought that my DAC didn't even remotely sound 'digital', so I don't seem to be the only one who thinks so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al M. View Post
    Thanks, Mike. I guess then my Yggdrasil DAC sounds analog by that standard. Others may disagree. In any case, just a few days ago I had a vinyl lover over and he thought that my DAC didn't sound digital at all, so I don't seem to be the only one who thinks so.
    Al, when we compared Ian’s Yggy against his DCS, I think we both felt the Yggy was more organic. The DCS did all the hi-fi digital stuff, but the Yggy sounded more organic.

    The MSB, takes this to a whole new level IMO.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Al, when we compared Ian’s Yggy against his DCS, I think we both felt the Yggy was more organic. The DCS did all the hi-fi digital stuff, but the Yggy sounded more organic.

    The MSB, takes this to a whole new level IMO.


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    That may well be, Mike, and I'll be curious to hear it some day. At this point though I have ordered ceiling diffusers from ASC that definitely will further improve the sound in a natural direction. Nothing beats the right acoustics if you want to achieve something of a resemblance of a concert hall experience. I have already worked a lot on my acoustics, and this will be yet another, probably important, step. No level of gear can substitute for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Al, when we compared Ian’s Yggy against his DCS, I think we both felt the Yggy was more organic. The DCS did all the hi-fi digital stuff, but the Yggy sounded more organic.

    The MSB, takes this to a whole new level IMO.


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    Hi mike,
    Wich dcs dac the Yggdrasil was compared to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al M. View Post
    That may well be, Mike, and I'll be curious to hear it some day.
    Hopefully a MSB Discrete dac is in your future- we'll be waiting

    fyi, I run mine in a similar system as yours - passive to a tube amp
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    Quote Originally Posted by sakso136 View Post
    Hi mike,
    Wich dcs dac the Yggdrasil was compared to?
    Thks


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    DCS Rossini I believe. I had an Yggy I took on trade (latest version) and I preferred the Lampi GA and MSB. But at $2400...it’s good. Just wish it did DSD and MQA. But again, I really feel there are DAC’s that fall into that musical, more organic category and others that don’t. You will find people who really do prefer that thin, crunchy, digital, hashy, processed sound. Maybe they grew up on MP3’s...don’t know?
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    I understand exactly what you are saying.
    I want my next dac organic musical fluid but i m not ready to trade dynamic decay details micro and macro and all the rest......
    I m heading towards new r2r dacs like msb, totaldac tube mk2, denafrips terminal .....
    I hope someone make comparaisons of all these superstar dacs!!


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    Re: MSB Premier arrives as Suncoast Audio

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    So many DAC’s have that hashy, processed sounding, thin, overly sibilant, forward, fatiguing sound. They don’t sound organic. They don’t sound like master tape. They sound very computerized, oozing their 1’s and 0’s with pride. They don’t sound natural.
    Well said. And as an example, exactly what the Auralic Vega did in my system recently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    DCS Rossini I believe. I had an Yggy I took on trade (latest version) and I preferred the Lampi GA and MSB. But at $2400...it’s good. Just wish it did DSD and MQA. But again, I really feel there are DAC’s that fall into that musical, more organic category and others that don’t. You will find people who really do prefer that thin, crunchy, digital, hashy, processed sound. Maybe they grew up on MP3’s...don’t know?
    The comparison was with dCS Vivaldi plus Upsampler (MSRP $ 63K without cables). I have heard that comparison in Ian's system many times.

    I just had an audio friend over who is pretty picky (in a good way), and he was also very impressed with the Yggy.

    Doesn't say I'll never buy another DAC (MSB?) but I'm not itching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithR View Post
    Hopefully a MSB Discrete dac is in your future- we'll be waiting

    fyi, I run mine in a similar system as yours - passive to a tube amp
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al M. View Post
    The comparison was with dCS Vivaldi plus Upsampler (MSRP $ 63K without cables). I have heard that comparison in Ian's system many times.

    I just had an audio friend over who is pretty picky (in a good way), and he was also very impressed with the Yggy.

    Doesn't say I'll never buy another DAC (MSB?) but I'm not itching.
    Thanks for the correction Al.


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    Thanks for the correction Al.


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    No problem, Mike. I am definitely more curious now about hearing the MSB sometime.
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    It definitely can run warm, but mine is a rack above a tube amp and also isn't on spikes yet as my rack placement is going to change. Yours looks like its in a semi-enclosed space so no surprise. You might want to have your dealer email MSB.

    I've got another 200 hours or so on mine and probably 3-400 overall. I will go one more week. Nice thing about digital is run-in is a breeze - try doing it with phono preamps lol. Allowing the Innuous to just run Roon Radio with my amp turned off rocks.
    Keith - you were spot on. I rearranged things and the MSB is now on the top shelf and it runs only slightly warm - much cooler than before. Thanks.

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    Re: MSB Premier arrives as Suncoast Audio

    Am at circa 130 hours. Now hearing bass definition and depth for the first time. But still not there yet. The mids and highs are liquid though. Enjoying this journey.

    Keith - any update on your Femto 93?
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    Am doing my best to be restrained. And I only have 130 hours consecutive hours of burn in time, so have some way to go.


    But this sound is seriously extraordinary.


    Just listened to my go-to audio testing track (Decks Dark by Radiohead) and I have never heard it sound like this.


    It is liquid - like the terminator guy. Like a fondue. On steroids. Am seriously blown away.


    Amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    Am doing my best to be restrained. And I only have 130 hours consecutive hours of burn in time, so have some way to go.


    But this sound is seriously extraordinary.


    Just listened to my go-to audio testing track (Decks Dark by Radiohead) and I have never heard it sound like this.


    It is liquid - like the terminator guy. Like a fondue. On steroids. Am seriously blown away.


    Amazing.

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    Re: MSB Premier arrives as Suncoast Audio

    Small but noticeable improvement all round - but big improvement in the bass, particularly the mid bass. It is sounding really good now. I love it. And I am using the supplied power cable as I wait for a new AQ Tornado. So I expect it to get a little better.

    Has anyone had a chance to compare the Premier with its base clock against the upgraded Fento 93? That will be a very interesting comparison.
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    Keith - how are you getting on with yours?
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    The Premier in the store has been running non-stop and has really started to show the true MSB sound. Big sound, analog smooth, gorgeous lush mids and a fabulous combination with any amp/preamp I try it with.
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    Mike - how many hours of burn in until it reaches optimal performance? I am at around 250 hours now and it is still improving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    Mike - how many hours of burn in until it reaches optimal performance? I am at around 250 hours now and it is still improving.
    Not sure. Haven’t turned mine off since I got it.


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    I have watched this tread and waited with anticipation of every word printed in regards to the MSB Premier DAC as I waited for my demo to arrive. I have been in this hobby for decades and have never written a review but as my now purchased Premier settled in to 2 weeks of break-in I feel compelled to tell the story. Hopefully within the next few days I will be able to put my experience into words. I say this as I feel this was such a moving component I want to pay it justice and support my comments with previous experience, knowledge and ownership not just spit out random thoughts . I might call my review " MSB Premier , Holy Mother of Jesus !"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billt1 View Post
    I have watched this tread and waited with anticipation of every word printed in regards to the MSB Premier DAC as I waited for my demo to arrive. I have been in this hobby for decades and have never written a review but as my now purchased Premier settled in to 2 weeks of break-in I feel compelled to tell the story. Hopefully within the next few days I will be able to put my experience into words. I say this as I feel this was such a moving component I want to pay it justice and support my comments with previous experience, knowledge and ownership not just spit out random thoughts . I might call my review " MSB Premier , Holy Mother of Jesus !"
    I m so interested in your review.
    I m sure the premier is bloody good, but is it good for the money? Can you please relate previous experience with other dacs, and the abilities of the premier as preamp.
    Thks


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    I do not know how to use quote so :"I want to pay it justice and support my comments with previous experience, knowledge and ownership" That is why I need time and yes I will list current equipment as well as past ownership for reference. I will submit for your reference personal experience and industry knowledge so one can see if what I know may be valid or disregarded as someone who wishes they knew . I'll leave that up to you.

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    accidental duplicate post
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    Keith - how are you getting on with yours?
    Keith - am dying for an update. Especially re your femto 93
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    Hey guys, I'm thinking of upgrading my Meitner MA-1 to an MSB Discrete or Premier. I demo'ed my Meitner against the Discrete with dual power supplies yesterday at a local dealer and I thought it would be closer of a competition, but it was a noticeable difference and just not as fun to listen with the Meitner compared to even the Discrete.

    I'm thinking of either a Discrete or Premier with dual power supplies and the network renderer module. Looking to go for the black finish, also. I have a half black/half silver system and I'm thinking of going all black.

    1. What thoughts do you all have on Discrete vs. Premier?
    2. Thoughts on the finish: silver vs. black? Personal preference for sure, but just wondering if I'm missing a difference in the quality of the finish?

    Thanks!

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    Welcome to the forum, thank you for joining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhmmmm View Post
    Hey guys, I'm thinking of upgrading my Meitner MA-1 to an MSB Discrete or Premier. I demo'ed my Meitner against the Discrete with dual power supplies yesterday at a local dealer and I thought it would be closer of a competition, but it was a noticeable difference and just not as fun to listen with the Meitner compared to even the Discrete.

    I'm thinking of either a Discrete or Premier with dual power supplies and the network renderer module. Looking to go for the black finish, also. I have a half black/half silver system and I'm thinking of going all black.

    1. What thoughts do you all have on Discrete vs. Premier?
    2. Thoughts on the finish: silver vs. black? Personal preference for sure, but just wondering if I'm missing a difference in the quality of the finish?

    Thanks!
    Glad to hear you liked the Discrete. If you can step up to the Premier, it's definitely worth it. As for finish, I like both the silver and black. It more depends on the accompanying equipment color as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhmmmm View Post
    Hey guys, I'm thinking of upgrading my Meitner MA-1 to an MSB Discrete or Premier. I demo'ed my Meitner against the Discrete with dual power supplies yesterday at a local dealer and I thought it would be closer of a competition, but it was a noticeable difference and just not as fun to listen with the Meitner compared to even the Discrete.

    I'm thinking of either a Discrete or Premier with dual power supplies and the network renderer module. Looking to go for the black finish, also. I have a half black/half silver system and I'm thinking of going all black.

    1. What thoughts do you all have on Discrete vs. Premier?
    2. Thoughts on the finish: silver vs. black? Personal preference for sure, but just wondering if I'm missing a difference in the quality of the finish?

    Thanks!
    As one of the long timers with MSB you won't be sorry either with the sound or their service/upgrade/modular upgrades. I fell in love years ago with the Analogue, my "buddy" threw me for a look with the IV Plus which was mind blowing for the time and then MSB upgraded me to Select II. I had a Meitner I think it was the DAC2 which was actually more expensive than the older Analogue and I was literally shocked by how good the Analogue was.

    Nothing against the Meitner, he makes great stuff and I greatly respect his abilities and equipment. It's preference and mine leans towards MSB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Welcome to the forum, thank you for joining.
    Thanks! Lurker for a decade, thought I had an account but I'm apparently now a first time poster.

    To keep things on topic, any thoughts on the MSB questions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Priaptor View Post
    As one of the long timers with MSB you won't be sorry either with the sound or their service/upgrade/modular upgrades. I fell in love years ago with the Analogue, my "buddy" threw me for a look with the IV Plus which was mind blowing for the time and then MSB upgraded me to Select II. I had a Meitner I think it was the DAC2 which was actually more expensive than the older Analogue and I was literally shocked by how good the Analogue was.

    Nothing against the Meitner, he makes great stuff and I greatly respect his abilities and equipment. It's preference and mine leans towards MSB.
    Thanks for the thoughts! The Meitner has been a great DAC since I bought it in early 2013, great improvement over what I had before. What I was hearing from the MSB Discrete was simply more 'analog-like' - I really liked it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhmmmm View Post
    I'm thinking of either a Discrete or Premier with dual power supplies and the network renderer module. Looking to go for the black finish, also. I have a half black/half silver system and I'm thinking of going all black.

    1. What thoughts do you all have on Discrete vs. Premier?
    2. Thoughts on the finish: silver vs. black? Personal preference for sure, but just wondering if I'm missing a difference in the quality of the finish?
    "Value" is up to the individual, but its hard to beat Premier with the 2 smaller PS. But you must get the 2nd one for a nominal fee.

    As far as finish, I chose black as I don't want the dac to be the focus on my shelf. My ARC Ref 75ASE and Brinkmann Bardo are the focal points.
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    I have the black Discrete with the two PS. The PS are the same for the Discrete and Premiere. Jonathan told me that it will be possible to upgrade the Discrete to a Premiere for what he thinks will be not much more than the original cost. That is what I am planning on doing one of these days.
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    Thanks for everyone’s help! I am the proud new owner of a black Premier with dual discrete power supplies, network renderer module and Femto 93 clock! Loving it and the burn in is real on this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhmmmm View Post
    Thanks for everyone’s help! I am the proud new owner of a black Premier with dual discrete power supplies, network renderer module and Femto 93 clock! Loving it and the burn in is real on this!
    Congrats!! Enjoy. It’s a wonderful DAC. Let us know your thoughts as it breaks in.
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    Congrats on your purchase. I personally have auditioned MANY of the top DAC's out there and I really liked the new MSB Select. It's legit. Too many DAC's aren't as great sounding as their price. I won't disparage them as we all hear differently, and folks who spend that kind of money don't need an idiot like me to say anything bad about their DAC's, lol.

    If I had the money and it didn't matter, the Select would be on my short short list to bring in with a couple of others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhmmmm View Post
    Thanks for everyone’s help! I am the proud new owner of a black Premier with dual discrete power supplies, network renderer module and Femto 93 clock! Loving it and the burn in is real on this!
    Congratulations on your new Premier, it is a terrific DAC! Smart move going for the Premier with the extra power supply and upgraded clock.

    Enjoy,
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