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    Shindo with Avantgarde

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    Re: Shindo with Avantgarde

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    Re: Shindo with Avantgarde

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    Re: Shindo with Avantgarde

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    Re: Shindo with Avantgarde

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    Re: Shindo with Avantgarde

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    Re: Shindo with Avantgarde

    And...

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    Re: Shindo with Avantgarde

    Quote Originally Posted by Rob181 View Post
    And...
    I bet it would be good, but wouldn’t be JH approved. LOL.


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    Re: Shindo with Avantgarde

    [QUOTE=Mike;246234]I bet it would be good, but wouldn’t be JH approved. LOL.]

    I was hoping you had heard it...
    The Japanese build sensational sounding valve gear...

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    Re: Shindo with Avantgarde

    [QUOTE=Rob181;246237]
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I bet it would be good, but wouldn’t be JH approved. LOL.]

    I was hoping you had heard it...
    The Japanese build sensational sounding valve gear...
    They do indeed and Shindo is superb.


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    Avantgarde is such a badly sounding speaker, forget about it. NO quality like Shindo speakers. Quite shitty sounding design artifacts for the newly get rich kids on the block. Bad design taste inclusive.

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    Re: Shindo with Avantgarde

    Why so Coy Walter , dont hold back now , tell us how you really feel ..






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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    Avantgarde is such a badly sounding speaker
    As bad as your English? Not a chance. Actually, Avantgarde make pretty terrific sounding speakers.

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    Very nice, to attack me on a personal level because my english isn't perfect.

    I haven't attacked you personally, just critizied the speakers. But you made a very common mistake. You are identifying yourself with (your?) speakers. Thats a very childish thing to do, every psychoanalyst would tell you.

    And it happens every day in forums. Just criticize a product and someone jumps right out of hedge and is personally offended. So not I have to declare more on my personal feelings, the people who feel personally offended by a statement about speakers should do. That makes more sense and would display THEIR childish behaviour from a better perspective.

    Do you know, what drivers are used in those speakers? For quite some time I'm puzzled about how to build such a bad sounding speaker. I have heard them often in Audio shows. With quite a variety of gears installed.

    I'm sure you are the lucky owner of such a creation.

    Taste is different, and some people in the audio world are unable realize the quality of a speaker in absolute terms, just simply because they haven't heard anything better. So for that kind of people, EVERY Avantgarde speaker may be the climax of High- End audio speakers. For others who are able to distinguish more precisely they are not. Just as simple as that.

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    Well, I’m not rich or young. I guess I’m just happy and enjoying some music. JH once told me Shindo is hardwired at 16ohm tap. Should be a fit for AG if they are quite enough.
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    Re: Shindo with Avantgarde

    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    Very nice, to attack me on a personal level because my english isn't perfect.

    I haven't attacked you personally, just critizied the speakers. But you made a very common mistake. You are identifying yourself with (your?) speakers. Thats a very childish thing to do, every psychoanalyst would tell you.

    And it happens every day in forums. Just criticize a product and someone jumps right out of hedge and is personally offended. So not I have to declare more on my personal feelings, the people who feel personally offended by a statement about speakers should do. That makes more sense and would display THEIR childish behaviour from a better perspective.

    Do you know, what drivers are used in those speakers? For quite some time I'm puzzled about how to build such a bad sounding speaker. I have heard them often in Audio shows. With quite a variety of gears installed.

    I'm sure you are the lucky owner of such a creation.

    Taste is different, and some people in the audio world are unable realize the quality of a speaker in absolute terms, just simply because they haven't heard anything better. So for that kind of people, EVERY Avantgarde speaker may be the climax of High- End audio speakers. For others who are able to distinguish more precisely they are not. Just as simple as that.
    And precisely, what is so bad in AG design?
    Look at the review of the Polish renowed stereo magazin, you can use google translate to understand rather positive opinion about their design and used components:

    https://audio.com.pl/testy/stereo/ze...coustic-duo-xd
    Aurender W20->Lampizator Pacific SE/Audio Aero La Fontaine->Ayon Crossfire III or Circle Labs A100-> Avantgarde Acoustic Trio LE 26, 4x REL Carbon Special Subwoofers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    Very nice, to attack me on a personal level because my english isn't perfect.
    I couldn't care less about your english. It's your listening skills that have to be called into question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    I'm sure you are the lucky owner of such a creation.
    Incorrect. So that's two mistakes in one post. You're on a roll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marslo View Post
    And precisely, what is so bad in AG design?
    Look at the review of the Polish renowed stereo magazin, you can use google translate to understand rather positive opinion about their design and used components:

    https://audio.com.pl/testy/stereo/ze...coustic-duo-xd
    Thanks for posting. Just read the review. Very nice. AG's are horns perfected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    Very nice, to attack me on a personal level because my english isn't perfect.

    I haven't attacked you personally, just critizied the speakers. But you made a very common mistake. You are identifying yourself with (your?) speakers. Thats a very childish thing to do, every psychoanalyst would tell you.

    And it happens every day in forums. Just criticize a product and someone jumps right out of hedge and is personally offended. So not I have to declare more on my personal feelings, the people who feel personally offended by a statement about speakers should do. That makes more sense and would display THEIR childish behaviour from a better perspective.

    Do you know, what drivers are used in those speakers? For quite some time I'm puzzled about how to build such a bad sounding speaker. I have heard them often in Audio shows. With quite a variety of gears installed.

    I'm sure you are the lucky owner of such a creation.

    Taste is different, and some people in the audio world are unable realize the quality of a speaker in absolute terms, just simply because they haven't heard anything better. So for that kind of people, EVERY Avantgarde speaker may be the climax of High- End audio speakers. For others who are able to distinguish more precisely they are not. Just as simple as that.

    Your english is fine Mate , you nailed “Shitty “..!



    BTW , for reference sakes , what speaker (s) do you consider as not being Shitty ..!

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    Sorry for that word used. My ears did bleed when auditioning those speakers everytime again. But that is with the majority of modern speaker designs.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBqrjxyNEj0

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    Any names of Speakers on your list ... ?

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    It won't match up.

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