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    Re: New Borresen Line Of Speakers

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul View Post
    I wish I can hear them in person wonder any dealer in Canada yet. Always love the ribbon tweeter sound. Are they easy to drive ?


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    Perhaps you could send Borresen Acoustics an email and ask them about Canadian representation? There might be something in the wings. The alternative is to listen to them at a U.S. dealer or show.

    The tweeter itself is very efficient at around 92dB, but the overall efficiency of the speakers is lower and mid/bass woofers respond well to power. The manufacturer recommends amplifier power of greater than 50 watts, but i'd personally recommend a good deal more, depending on room size and typical listening level.
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    New Borresen Line Of Speakers

    Oh, so Kiwi-man is now in sales mode again?

    First acting like a child when people point out how crappy his product is, and now all the charmer again. How about that!


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    Re: New Borresen Line Of Speakers

    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi_1282001 View Post
    Maybe you could drop Borresen Acoustics...
    ...quite an idea I think .


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    Re: New Borresen Line Of Speakers

    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi_1282001 View Post
    The tweeter itself is very efficient at around 92dB, but the overall efficiency of the speakers is lower
    Well this would explain why the tweeter is so bright. Too high an output relative to the other drivers.
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    Re: New Borresen Line Of Speakers

    Quote Originally Posted by octadyndude View Post
    Everyone has their own opinion. That's how i feel with Magico. No emotion and soul. Only tonality.
    OK, Here's mine.... Are you kidding me? Depending on the music my S7's at full throttle will rip your guts out with emotion and soul and have tears streaming down your face in no time flat!
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    Re: New Borresen Line Of Speakers

    Quote Originally Posted by Gene View Post
    OK, Here's mine.... Are you kidding me? Depending on the music my S7's at full throttle will rip your guts out with emotion and soul and have tears streaming down your face in no time flat!
    I totally agree, Gene. I have auditioned the S7’s and they are tremendous loudspeakers. They can deliver an orchestra at full concert levels and produce absolutely visceral bass. Overall transparency is outstanding. They are very true to the recordings.

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    Re: New Borresen Line Of Speakers

    Quote Originally Posted by Gene View Post
    OK, Here's mine.... Are you kidding me? Depending on the music my S7's at full throttle will rip your guts out with emotion and soul and have tears streaming down your face in no time flat!
    Well said. They will rip your guts out with emotion without ripping your ears off.


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    Re: New Borresen Line Of Speakers

    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    George,

    I auditioned the D3’s multiple times before I purchased them. Many hours of listening to them. The dealer’s showroom was heavily damped like a home theater room, which negated a lot of the speakers’ bass issues.

    I ended up purchasing from David Baskin, who gave me a significant discount. Otherwise, they were unaffordable. David spent many hours on the telephone with me on the setup. We got the speakers dialed in but when you are dealing with a +10 dB mid-bass hump measured at the speakers, there is not that much that can be done. David was in the latter stages of ALS and did everything he possibly could to help me. He sadly passed away a few years ago and the opportunity to trade them in no longer existed. David was a great dealer, friend and member of this forum and there are many here that would vouch for the quality of his character.

    Over time, the extreme coloration of the speakers began to get on my nerves, just like most members on this forum who have since sold them. I soon realized I was down to listening to about a dozen albums over and over again because they were the only music I owned that was listenable on them. At that point, I put them up for sale, but the word was already out on their design flaws, so I took a huge loss on the sale.

    Anymore ridiculous assumptions and condescending questions or are we good?

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    Thanks for response Ken

    I could never figure out why someone would buy a speaker knowing it had a bass bump but you explained you really didn't hear it at the dealer. I too have a dealer with an overly damped listening room but I take that into consideration when listening. I went a step further and brought my speakers with me. My speakers sounded so much different. In some ways better and some worse. The reason I went with the D3.1 was because of the bass bump and clearer mids compared to my D2.1's I had (also had a bass bump). I made the decision to buy them after Mike and Lars left and asking Benno at Axpona if they were going to change the crossover. I had heard rumors Raidho was going to take out the bass bump. He assured me they were not doing that. I normally listen at low to moderate levels 90+% of the time. The bass sounded more in line with the mids and highs at those levels. At louder than moderate listening levels the bass bump was very obvious. It was very rare for me to listen loud.

    Since the bass bump was so bad for you didn't you consider some dsp correction instead of your huge loss on the speakers? Or was there more you hated with the D3's? I also knew when I got into Raidho they are not meant to be a concert in your home. So for me it was a great fit.

    I never met Mr Baskin but have only heard and read great things about him.

    So are we good? Well sort of. I do have a problem with your opinion about this

    On the other hand, with Raidho, the company went from the D3 to the D3 V2 to the D3.1 in a period of approximately two years. The D3’s had popping subwoofers at high volumes, the D3 V2 had a +10 dB mid-bass bump and the D3.1 still has enough of a major mid-bass bump that DSP correction is necessary for it to sound right. Their designer continues to bring speakers to market well before they are ready for prime time.
    Raidho is owned by Dantex and is a public corporation. They pushed Mike to crank out new speakers faster than Mike wanted to due to the retail prices and customer base. They fought him because Raidho did not want to offer upgrades from the Dx to the Dx.1's but rather just sell them. Corporations do that all the time because they know some other company will come out with something better. I don't agree with that kind of business model and I'm sure not many individuals do unless they are shareholders. I'm sure you'll agree there is a big difference between a publicly owned company and one that's private. After a week long in-home demo I was grateful that I could upgrade my D2's to D2.1's.

    Again the bass bump was designed that way. Just like some speaker manufacturers make the mid range very forward and shouty. There is a market for that. Not with me and I won't go on forums stating the voicing is all wrong and flawed especially because I don't like it. To me that's rude and wrong. An example is I liked the Dyn C1's when I had them. I felt the mid range was right for my tastes (it's the mid range that is most important to me). Then they came out with the Contour series as kind of a replacement for Confidence series at a better price point. To me they are very shouty but I'm not going on forums to tell folks who love them it's wrong. I have in fact mentioned that I think the models S25/Sapphire and Consequence have a very tipped up high end and I have not heard from even the owners I'm wrong. Some even agree. But that's what they like. I made the statement and let it go.

    So you tell me are we good?
    George

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    Re: New Borresen Line Of Speakers

    When I had long talks with the guys from Raidho, they explained every speaker was a team effort. Does anyone know who did what? I’ve found on the Raidho website:

    Design
    Michael Borresen
    Sound
    Ole Nielsen
    Bjarne Hansen

    http://raidho.dk/product-showcase/d-series/

    So is it two other folks responsible for the Raidho sound? What does “design mean?” When I asked, they said it was the cabinet.

    Anyone have further info on this?


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    Re: New Borresen Line Of Speakers

    Quote Originally Posted by Gene View Post
    OK, Here's mine.... Are you kidding me? Depending on the music my S7's at full throttle will rip your guts out with emotion and soul and have tears streaming down your face in no time flat!
    I'll admit I never heard the S7's but I did hear the S5 MKII with CH percision and while I thought they were the best Magico's I ever heard they just didn't wow me or drawn into the music. In case you haven't seen full throttle is super rare for my listening. Just a question though - do you need to be at full throttle to hear the emotion and soul? Could that be why I missed it with the S5 MKII's?
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