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    Absolutely 100% yes!
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    Re: Should I?

    Just keep Gallagher out of your shop and you should be good! I've always thought those looked like watermelons.

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    Re: Should I?

    No you need these for Suncoast Should I?


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    Off topic, but don’t those speakers need to be in the middle of the room since they are 360 degree sound radiators?

    To answer Mike’s question. Yes, you should send me them to evaluate.
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    Mike, I think you won't regret it when you decide to get them.
    You can start with the speakers alone, and drive them with other amplification.
    You have plenty of excellent choices in your showrooms.
    There is wonderful synergy of course in an all-MBL system, but I'm sure any good amp will drive them very well.
    I heard their standmounts with a Burmester integrated and it was excellent as well.
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    Re: Should I?

    1. do you have the potential customers for MBL or can you attract new clients or user segments?
    2. does MBL add something to your portfolio or will it only cause cannibalization?
    3. do they sound good in your demo room and what can they do that the current speakers/amps can not?
    4. is there already competition in your region?
    5. positive image effects for suncoast?
    6. getting marketing support from MBL?
    7. do the extra profits exceed the risks / investments

    etc. etc.

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    It’s a no-brainer. Yes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    Off topic, but don’t those speakers need to be in the middle of the room since they are 360 degree sound radiators?

    To answer Mike’s question. Yes, you should send me them to evaluate.
    Bud - that's a great question. They need to have at least 31 inches from the CENTER of the speaker to any surrounding walls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bart View Post
    Mike, I think you won't regret it when you decide to get them.
    You can start with the speakers alone, and drive them with other amplification.
    You have plenty of excellent choices in your showrooms.
    There is wonderful synergy of course in an all-MBL system, but I'm sure any good amp will drive them very well.
    I heard their standmounts with a Burmester integrated and it was excellent as well.
    Bart - you're right, but I really don't have the right "type" of amp for the MBL's in the store. From what I can tell, they like a high power (350 watts ish or more), high current, high damping factor amp. I think the N15's will fit the bill nicely. The 101e mk2's like to be true-bi-wired (not shotgun), so I've ordered two sets of AudioQuest OAK speaker cables. You can do jumpers (need to be about 18 inches), but MBL says the true bi-wired (two sets of speaker cables equal length) sound best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tube-vds View Post
    1. do you have the potential customers for MBL or can you attract new clients or user segments?
    2. does MBL add something to your portfolio or will it only cause cannibalization?
    3. do they sound good in your demo room and what can they do that the current speakers/amps can not?
    4. is there already competition in your region?
    5. positive image effects for suncoast?
    6. getting marketing support from MBL?
    7. do the extra profits exceed the risks / investments

    etc. etc.

    good luck with the decision.
    Thank you, but I'm already an MBL dealer, just trying to decide whether to bring in the big boys/electronics. I'm the only MBL dealer south of Virginia. I outlined my rational for MBL here: Mbl 111f
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Bart - you're right, but I really don't have the right "type" of amp for the MBL's in the store. From what I can tell, they like a high power (350 watts ish or more), high current, high damping factor amp. I think the N15's will fit the bill nicely. The 101e mk2's like to be true-bi-wired (not shotgun), so I've ordered two sets of AudioQuest OAK speaker cables. You can do jumpers (need to be about 18 inches), but MBL says the true bi-wired (two sets of speaker cables equal length) sound best.
    Not all class A and I find the MBL website difficult to navigate so forgive me that I don’t know the impedance and sensitivity, but wouldn’t the Diablo 300 have enough current at least to push them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    Not all class A and I find the MBL website difficult to navigate so forgive me that I don’t know the impedance and sensitivity, but wouldn’t the Diablo 300 have enough current at least to push them?
    It does! I also tried the T+A integrated on the 111F's and the Pass X350.8. But I think the design of the MBL amps will work best.
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    Mike.......Someone is running a fever. .
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    So more likely to be a system play? Like Gryphon? (Although I love my Diablo with my Magicos).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Bart - you're right, but I really don't have the right "type" of amp for the MBL's in the store. From what I can tell, they like a high power (350 watts ish or more), high current, high damping factor amp. I think the N15's will fit the bill nicely. The 101e mk2's like to be true-bi-wired (not shotgun), so I've ordered two sets of AudioQuest OAK speaker cables. You can do jumpers (need to be about 18 inches), but MBL says the true bi-wired (two sets of speaker cables equal length) sound best.
    350 watts to make these speakers come to life? If you think you have clients that like MBL and have dedicated rooms large enough to set these speakers up correctly or have really understanding wives, go for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    So more likely to be a system play? Like Gryphon? (Although I love my Diablo with my Magicos).
    To a point, yes.
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    350 watts into what impedence? These days 350 quality watts into 4 ohms with decent spearkers is, at least for me, fine for a medium size room (mine is very wide, 17 feet long, and quite high). Putting aside understanding wives (now that’s a variable ) I don’t see the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    350 watts into what impedence? These days 350 quality watts into 4 ohms with decent spearkers is, at least for me, fine for a medium size room (mine is very wide, 17 feet long, and quite high). Putting aside understanding wives (now that’s a variable ) I don’t see the issue.
    350 into 4 would be fine. For example, playing the 111F's at HIGH SPL's with the Pass X350.8 (700 into 4) doesn't even make the needle move.
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    Great re impedance. I am surprised you only need 31 inches from the wall. These speakers sound like they are a lot more practical than I thought they would be. My friend checked them out recently in Singapore and was blown away but fell for the allure of the Sonus Faber Il Cremonese. He rationalised away the MBLs saying that he thought he would need a bigger space (and his room is bigger than mine). Sounds like that perception is wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    Great re impedance. I am surprised you only need 31 inches from the wall. These speakers sound like they are a lot more practical than I thought they would be. My friend checked them out recently in Singapore and was blown away but fell for the allure of the Sonus Faber Il Cremonese. He rationalised away the MBLs saying that he thought he would need a bigger space (and his room is bigger than mine). Sounds like that perception is wrong.
    I always thought the same thing myself. More space is better, but they are designed to work with AT LEAST 31 inches from the center of the Radialstrahler to the surrounding walls.

    I played Adele's 19 and 21 albums the other day on the 111F's and it was honestly like hearing those albums again for the first time.
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    How many statement speakers do you want in the shop? Trident? M6? What ever's coming next at CES 2019 or Munich 2019? How much to commit to each brand?

    I do love MBL, and the 101 in particular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VT Skier View Post
    How many statement speakers do you want in the shop? Trident? M6? What ever's coming next at CES 2019 or Munich 2019? How much to commit to each brand?

    I do love MBL, and the 101 in particular.
    M3 and 101e mk2 would definitely fit the bill. I think some Trio's too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    350 into 4 would be fine. For example, playing the 111F's at HIGH SPL's with the Pass X350.8 (700 into 4) doesn't even make the needle move.
    350 watts is about right for most speakers especially the MBL so i dont see this as an issue. I know some audiophiles not sensitive to clipping like running no more than 75 watts on their speakers and may find 350 outrageous ..

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    Mike if I was you I would really have MBL commit that the 101eMKII's can be driven by their newer line of amps such as the one you posted above. I know the 9011's and 9007(?) do the job. Not every amp is up to the task. I was stunned by how much my 1.2k's left on the table as compared to the Momentum's when I brought them home to demo.
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    M3 and 101e mk2 would definitely fit the bill. I think some Trio's too.

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    350 Watt might be enough or not...

    i read this on the german hifi forum:

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    350 Watt might be enough or not...

    i read this on the german hifi forum:

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    MBL has assured me it is. My own findings with the 111F's would concur. As the old saying goes, we shall see.
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    Mike have you had a chance to hear the 101 E MkII?
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    MBL has assured me it is. My own findings with the 111F's would concur. As the old saying goes, we shall see.
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    Make sure they are the "right" watts. 1200 watts of 1.2k could not control the bass of 111f's properly. When I first demo'd my original Momentum's the difference in control was so dramatic that I reconnected the 1.2ks to make sure I hadn't been listening to them connected out of phase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by still-one View Post
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    Make sure they are the "right" watts. 1200 watts of 1.2k could not control the bass of 111f's properly. When I first demo'd my original Momentum's the difference in control was so dramatic that I reconnected the 1.2ks to make sure I hadn't been listening to them connected out of phase.
    Thanks Jim. Yes, I would agree based on what I've heard with the 111F's. You want high damping factor, high current amps.
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    Mike have you had a chance to hear the 101 E MkII?
    Hi Marty, yes, multiple times. Out of curiosity, have you had a chance to hear them? Would love your thoughts.
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    Mike I know the MBL dealer in Virginia and have listened to his personal system numerous times. Hands down this is the best system I have ever heard. The 101 E MKII with an analog tape front end the reproduction is like living the experience at the time of recording. The MBL may not be everyone’s cup of tea but they push all the right buttons for me. I will have a pair one day for sure.
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    Mike I know the MBL dealer in Virginia and have listened to his personal system numerous times. Hands down this is the best system I have ever heard. The 101 E MKII with an analog tape front end the reproduction is like living the experience at the time of recording. The MBL may not be everyone’s cup of tea but they push all the right buttons for me. I will have a pair one day for sure.
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    I have heard those speakers in the Singapore dealers showroom, only playing digital. One the best sounds I have ever heard and definitely the best upper frequencies.

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    Mike,

    Just out for curiosity, is there some special feature in the MBL amps that make it more suited to drive the MBL 101 speakers or would any high current & high damping factor amp (such as Soulution, Burmester, Audionet) do an equally fine job?
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    Gentlemen,
    Another great thread!

    I hate to be the party pooper here, but not all 350W amps are the same. Unfortunately, most will not be able to drive the 101s right. For example, my local dealer had the 101s with Pass XA and X, and, unfortunately it *Sucked*. (Pass is great with Wilson, Martin Logan, and many others, and obviously with 111, but not 101.)

    The 101 is a completely different animal than the 111. The difference is the melon, which covers the vital frequency range from 105 Hz to 600 Hz.

    It's magical - when driven properly, and it's the premium one is paying for, over the 111. But it's also a B*TCH to drive properly. One needs A LOT of current. Yet very few amps could do it. If one is not willing to drop $110K on the big MBL 9011 reference amps, it sounds fantastic with the new Noble Class D amps.

    Few other amps will work, exceptions being Bryston, bigger Musical Fidelity models, Symphonic Line Kraft, old Krell, and maybe a few others. And even if some of these are able to drive the speakers, one may not always like the result, of say, a dark old Krell or a Bryston with the 101s.

    And once one finds the right monoblocks, doubling them is really worth while.

    So unless one really wants to experiment with a lot of different heavy amps to uncertain results, the short path to happiness is to drive the 101s with MBLs new Noble Class D (or if the budget allows, the 9011s).

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    Gentlemen,
    Another great thread!

    I hate to be the party pooper here, but not all 350W amps are the same. Unfortunately, most will not be able to drive the 101s right. For example, my local dealer had the 101s with Pass XA and X, and, unfortunately it *Sucked*. (Pass is great with Wilson, Martin Logan, and many others, and obviously with 111, but not 101.)

    The 101 is a completely different animal than the 111. The difference is the melon, which covers the vital frequency range from 105 Hz to 600 Hz.

    It's magical - when driven properly, and it's the premium one is paying for, over the 111. But it's also a B*TCH to drive properly. One needs A LOT of current. Yet very few amps could do it. If one is not willing to drop $110K on the big MBL 9011 reference amps, it sounds fantastic with the new Noble Class D amps.

    Few other amps will work, exceptions being Bryston, bigger Musical Fidelity models, Symphonic Line Kraft, old Krell, and maybe a few others. And even if some of these are able to drive the speakers, one may not always like the result, of say, a dark old Krell or a Bryston with the 101s.

    And once one finds the right monoblocks, doubling them is really worth while.

    So unless one really wants to experiment with a lot of different heavy amps to uncertain results, the short path to happiness is to drive the 101s with MBLs new Noble Class D (or if the budget allows, the 9011s).
    I couldn't have said it better myself, hence the reason I wasn't going to dare order the 101e MK2's without the MBL N15 monos --> http://www.mbl.de/wp-content/uploads...ist-N15-EN.pdf

    Agreed on the Pass with MBL. Not a match.

    I was debating on the 9008, but Jurgen Reis said the N15 monos "just sound right". That comment struck me, plus they're more budget friendly, I don't need a forklift to move them and I like that entire Noble line with the slick preamp, mono and stereo amp options, an integrated and a CD/DAC with USB/Roon.

    Agreed on the doubling as well. Four N15's would be insanely good. But I will start with two and two exactly same length speaker cables (AudioQuest Oak).

    Also, a shout out to the amazing MBL NA team of Jeremy and his lovely wife Tara, a talented recording engineer in her own right. Very lucky to have them local to me. Terrific support.
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    I couldn't have said it better myself, hence the reason I wasn't going to dare order the 101e MK2's without the MBL N15 monos --> http://www.mbl.de/wp-content/uploads...ist-N15-EN.pdf

    Agreed on the Pass with MBL. Not a match.

    I was debating on the 9008, but Jurgen Reis said the N15 monos "just sound right". That comment struck me, plus they're more budget friendly, I don't need a forklift to move them and I like that entire Noble line with the slick preamp, mono and stereo amp options, an integrated and a CD/DAC with USB/Roon.

    Agreed on the doubling as well. Four N15's would be insanely good. But I will start with two and two exactly same length speaker cables (AudioQuest Oak).

    Also, a shout out to the amazing MBL NA team of Jeremy and his lovely wife Tara, a talented recording engineer in her own right. Very lucky to have them local to me. Terrific support.

    The N15s sounded very very good driving the 101E Mk2s when I heard them earlier this year.
    € 22K a pair here, which isn't exaggerated given their 560W into 4 Ohms.
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