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June 13, 2018, 11:05 AM #151
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June 13, 2018, 11:12 AM #152
Re: Analog and Vinyl: no longer the benchmark
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June 13, 2018, 11:14 AM #153
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I don't get your point. There is nothing in the wiki link to indicate it was written by anyone with any understanding of what they are talking about. It could be a millennial still in college trying to make a term paper. It means nothing. There is no evidence the author has any experience of knowledge of what he wrote. So yes, that is my standard. Please use it in the future.
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June 13, 2018, 11:19 AM #154
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June 13, 2018, 11:22 AM #155
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June 13, 2018, 11:23 AM #156
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Is that what i said .... i dont think so ...
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June 13, 2018, 11:28 AM #157
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Methinks you confuse Redbook and Nyquist. Take care when one strays outside ones field Mr Wayne...
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June 13, 2018, 11:39 AM #158
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Nope , its your lack of extrapolation my man , Nyquist frequency of your digital playback of choice vs Analog Lp.
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June 13, 2018, 12:00 PM #159
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Digital has no 100k upper limit.
Your analog Wiki will have to do better than that
Now lets agree that analog vinyl is inferior to Digital by every objective metric...but people can prefer whatever they wish...and flat out with some available media vinyl might be better and vice versa so another variable.
Which leads to invalid comparisons. Soo..
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June 13, 2018, 12:06 PM #160
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I propose taking any uber TT system of choice playing back vinyl of choice and comparing against a digitized version of itself in real time so even pops and clicks come clear through.
Have vinylphile easily pick out the "analog" version. Post on YouTube. Case settled.
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June 13, 2018, 12:46 PM #161
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lets all meet at Mikes shop in Florida around Thanksgiving. I will be in town then. I believe he would be willing to put on a display. Mike? ??
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June 13, 2018, 12:49 PM #162
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I don't need an excuse to go to Mikes candy store
Ps though best leave wallets at home for safe keeping
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June 13, 2018, 01:52 PM #163
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June 13, 2018, 01:54 PM #164
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June 13, 2018, 02:16 PM #165
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Well if Mr Wayne ends up looking like a turkey we'll have some cranberry sauce on hand
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June 13, 2018, 02:28 PM #166
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You know that turkey joke was actually pretty funny
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June 13, 2018, 03:26 PM #167
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I am serious about meeting up at Mike's place. I've already talked with him on the phone about it. I'm going to be driving over from the Delray Boynton Beach area during the Thanksgiving week vacation. Not sure the day yet but I will firm up later. It would be great to meet anybody who could show up.
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June 13, 2018, 07:11 PM #168
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Slipping left and right , only leaving digital slow pokes behind , Analog has no Limits which prevents it from reproducing audio at a more realistic level than digital in the real world , you have yet to back up your assertions,
list of you high DR recordings played in your system
list of your 120db DR recordings
papers citing how much xtalk is necessary for good hifi reproduction
The DR limit of analog LP vs digital is not an issue when most “philes” under powered audio systems can barely handle 28db of DR...
try sticking to the plot ...
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June 13, 2018, 07:12 PM #169
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June 13, 2018, 07:28 PM #170
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June 13, 2018, 07:33 PM #171
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Well please feel free to educate on what limits analog LP has preventing it from the reproduction of Music at a high level in audiophile systems ..?
MR J loves the DR analogy that one fails, the advantages of digital does not translate in the real world , its storage and ease of use abilities aside ..
its A Preference , Irony noted on both sides ....
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June 13, 2018, 07:33 PM #172
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June 13, 2018, 07:34 PM #173
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June 13, 2018, 07:37 PM #174
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June 13, 2018, 07:39 PM #175
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Did I mention the physics of the groove?
See also here, posts #6 and # 11 (the latter by Alan Shaw, designer of Harbeth speakers):
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June 13, 2018, 07:40 PM #176
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June 13, 2018, 07:41 PM #177
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June 13, 2018, 07:42 PM #178
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June 13, 2018, 07:47 PM #179
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June 13, 2018, 07:56 PM #180
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June 13, 2018, 07:58 PM #181
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June 13, 2018, 08:02 PM #182
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No that's your argument but feel free to fake it anyway you wish , i said none of those limits analog LP from reproducing audio at a high level in the real world , nothing about Having superiority to measured data and metrics ..
But continue to deflect from your 120db DR advantage or hide from listing your high DR recordings , by any measure of order analog TT , FR and DR Is more than enough for your Audio system vs digital ...
Turn up Nov ... Both you and Rex will have the chance to pick out the digital recording ..
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June 13, 2018, 08:06 PM #183
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June 13, 2018, 08:11 PM #184
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Whats that ..? your DR advantage list , wait , what ..!
Dont wash off your cranberry drip , i sense necessity around the corner ...!
Where’s Al M , he has the uncompressed classical music list ..
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June 13, 2018, 08:11 PM #185
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June 13, 2018, 08:16 PM #186
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A magician at heart ehhh ....
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June 13, 2018, 08:16 PM #187
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Both A.Wayne and AJ can’t come (kidding of course). The rest of us will make a serious dent in my scotch and Irish Whiskey stash, listening to music and have fun. Vinyl, digital, whatever.
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June 13, 2018, 08:19 PM #188
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That too Mike ...
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June 13, 2018, 08:21 PM #189
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June 13, 2018, 08:22 PM #190
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June 13, 2018, 09:42 PM #192
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June 13, 2018, 11:11 PM #193
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June 14, 2018, 06:17 AM #194
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June 14, 2018, 06:41 AM #195
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Hey Mike can I come? I will be sneaking the MBLs out the side door while you referee. Looks like you are going to have your hands full.
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June 14, 2018, 06:43 AM #196My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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June 14, 2018, 07:01 AM #197
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I sold my entire LP collection about 2-3 years ago- something like 30 boxes which was carted away in a lorry and have never longed for LP's again. I have one of two signed LP in storage.
I can appreciate a good TT and be mesmerized by the engineering skill that lies behind TT technology but that is where it stays. I will not invest another cent into the technology.
I will concede that digital on low end equipment might be inferior to LP but with high end digital equipment, digital sources simply outclass the very best LP systems. Snap crack and pop might not be offensive on a small speaker system but on a big rig it pretty much spoils everything for me. I now have more goose bump moments with digital source material than what I ever had with a TT. Add to that the knowledge that digital is just going to get better makes the digital option the only logical choice for me.
The only down side with expensive high end digital equipment is that it becomes worthless relatively fast whereas speakers and amps have a better resale value 5 years later. My take is simple, - I want maximum enjoyment from my current system. The resale value in the distant future, is irrelevant.
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June 14, 2018, 07:30 AM #198
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June 14, 2018, 07:52 AM #199
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LOL. Can you guess what I'm bringing to the party?
As I said Mr Wayne, bring those trusted ears and the widest dynamic range vinyl you have. I'll bring the truth serum box, p-p SPL measurement mic/hardware and what you think doesn't exist above. We're going to all see about that 19th century tech vinyl vs digital dynamic range thing first hand.
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June 14, 2018, 08:25 AM #200
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I am really enjoying this thread. Proper banter but very interesting. Is good that no-one has resorted to personal attacks. Keep it going!
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