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Thread: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
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April 28, 2018, 05:12 PM #101Senior Member
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
I heard material improvement up to 700 hours. Yours will continue to improve. Glad you’re loving it. You’ve really elevated your system.
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April 28, 2018, 05:23 PM #102Super Moderator
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
I must have been a good boy. I hate turning off my system and having to leave the house.
Originally Posted by Alpinist
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April 28, 2018, 05:48 PM #103Senior Member
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
So Joe, when are you going to buy a Momentum Preamp?
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April 28, 2018, 06:12 PM #104Super Moderator
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
Ha!
I honestly don’t have any desire for one. I hope there’s nothing wrong with me
Besides, my Luxman C900 is wonderful.
Originally Posted by Mechnutt
So Joe, when are you going to buy a Momentum Preamp?Last edited by joeinid; April 28, 2018 at 06:14 PM.
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NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
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April 28, 2018, 08:22 PM #105Senior Member
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
C'mon, what about system synergy.
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April 28, 2018, 08:38 PM #106Senior Member
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
C'mon Joe. We all luv spending your money
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April 28, 2018, 09:00 PM #107Super Moderator
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
Ya know, I think I've found it Originally Posted by Mechnutt
C'mon, what about system synergy.
I know you do, but don't you want me to be happy? I can't imagine better in my room. Originally Posted by XV-1
C'mon Joe. We all luv spending your moneyLast edited by joeinid; April 28, 2018 at 09:02 PM.
Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
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NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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April 28, 2018, 09:32 PM #108Senior Member
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
Joe, multiple systems makes everyone happy Originally Posted by joeinid
Ya know, I think I've found it
I know you do, but don't you want me to be happy? I can't imagine better in my room.
Source: Technics SP10mk3 - Thales Simplicity II, TW Raven AC-3 - Graham Phantom, SME 3012-R, Exclusive P3,,Linn LP12 - Naim ARO
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April 28, 2018, 10:18 PM #109Senior Member
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
Joe, it can always be better. It depends on what you have in the bank. Isn't that what hi end audio is about, searching for the unobtainable holy grail!
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April 28, 2018, 11:25 PM #110Senior Member
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
Agree. It is where one’s price to value (value being a mix of objective and subjective) point is on the very steep diminishing returns curve. This point is constrained by budget.
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April 29, 2018, 12:41 AM #111Super Moderator
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
Could it be better? Possibly, maybe not for me and not with a non-dedicated room. But, I am so content at this point, it doesn't really matter. I'll tweak around the edges a little, power, room, cables, etc.. Life is good.
Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
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April 29, 2018, 01:30 AM #112Senior Member
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
Originally Posted by joeinid
There are always better sounding speakers.
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April 29, 2018, 02:37 AM #113Super Moderator
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
Hahahaha! That's why I have my JBL 4367
Both the Studio2 (Stereophile Class A rated) and 4367 are wonderful.
Originally Posted by Mechnutt
There are always better sounding speakers.Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
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NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
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April 29, 2018, 02:06 PM #114Senior Member
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
I'll take a pair of Tidal speakers with the diamond tweeters or a pair of Wilson Alexia's. Although the Studio 2's are awesome. Never heard the JBL's.
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April 29, 2018, 02:11 PM #115Super Moderator
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
Yes, so many great choices.
Originally Posted by Mechnutt
Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
I wouldn’t trade my Vandy 7 Mk2’s for all the tea in China.
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
I love reading about everyone's quest for happiness. Joe inspires me all the time. I am closing in on that point of satisfaction, at a more modest level, of course. Love the ARC pre, and new KEF's... but I will say the T+A DAC will hold it's own... even against much higher priced DACs....
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
Joe....can you offer a contrast between the Ref 10 and C-900u?
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May 5, 2018, 06:13 PM #119Super Moderator
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
Let me think about this for a little while. I have not put the Luxman in since getting the Ref 10. The Luxman C900u is no slouch, but has stiff competition against the mighty Ref 10.
Originally Posted by tdimler
Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
You can send me the Luxman and let me decide for myself Joe.
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
Joe,
Do you think the PS A BHK pre can keep company with either the Lux or the R10?
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
I may get flamed for this, but, yes, I could easily live with it. The Ref 10 and Lux are better in some ways but the BHK is superb and for the money, a tremendous value.
Originally Posted by IAmRael
Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
Just put the Blowtorch in my trunk next to a brick of Benjamins Originally Posted by joeinid
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May 5, 2018, 10:03 PM #124Super Moderator
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
Hmmmm. We can talk, right?
Originally Posted by Mechnutt
Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
Hahahahahahha,
Originally Posted by Billion$Baby
Just put the Blowtorch in my trunk next to a brick of BenjaminsFleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
Hey Joe (J. Hendrix)
I may be interested in the Lux pre if your selling.
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
Joe, I will need it for about 5 years to decide. Just loan it to me and I will get back with you. Originally Posted by joeinid
Hmmmm. We can talk, right?
My Gear- Mains System-Pass X250 amp, BAT VK-51se preamp, Luxman DA-06 DAC, Magnepan 1.6's, Thorens TD-145 TT, Dual Martin Logan Subs, Vintage Luxman T-110 Tuner, Cables-WW Platinum 7 USB, Cardas Parsec XLR, AQ Columbia DBS 72v XLR, Belden 8402 XLR.
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Re: ARC Ref 10 vs CJ GAT(2) ?
Can I think about it?
Originally Posted by Mechnutt
Joe, I will need it for about 5 years to decide. Just loan it to me and I will get back with you.Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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