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    C 2300 - by the numbers

    One of the tools I used when I was designing broadcast and aviation audio gear was an Audio Precision System One.
    This audio analyzer and its successors are used by audio engineers, manufacturers, reviewers to run new equipment through its paces.

    I recently acquired an Audio Precision System One + DSP and have been re-acquainting myself with it. It was like catching up with an old friend. This system runs on DOS, and I don't have an easy way to get data out of the PC that runs it, or even screen captures for that matter, so i am taking pictures of the screen. Apologies for the poor quality.

    I know there is a bit of controversy over the audibility of measurements – what’s important, what’s not. The ear is an incredible instrument. We certainly can hear things we can’t measure. Or maybe we aren’t measuring the correct things. One of my goals is to try and correlate what I am hearing with what can be measured with modern DSP techniques.

    My first project was to run a friend’s C 2300 through its paces. I also own a C 2300 (my 2nd) so I was curious to see how it performs technically. I already know it sounds great.

    Overall setup and test conditions.
    I do not know the age of the preamp or the tubes that are in it.
    The line stage had Amperex Bugle Boy ECC83s fitted.
    McIntosh tubes were fitted in the MC and MM sections.
    I used the C2300 balanced inputs and outputs.

    The gain of this C2300 is unity when the front panel level control is at 71.
    That is the level setting where I made all the subsequent measurements.

    Here is a picture of the test setup.



    The first test was frequency response of the line section.
    I measured an extend range, from 10 Hz to 200 kHz. I also used a +/- 5 dB vertical scale to really see the response curve. I like to see how gear performs at the limits. The McIntosh specification is +0, -0.5 dB 20 Hz to 20 kHz. This C 2300 easily met those specs. It falls off rapidly above the audio band. I also noted excellent tracking of L and R channels.



    Next up is THD+N. I measured this at two levels, 0 dBu, or 0.775 Vms, a level where most people will run their preamp, around -15 dB on the C 2300 front panel meters.

    The THD+N was below 0.02% from 20 Hz to 20 kHz, and only started rising slightly above 20 kHz, rising to 0.06% at 200 kHz. This is exemplary performance for a tube preamplifier. Looking at the residual distortion on the oscilloscope revealed mostly noise.



    Next I ran the C 2300 to it’s manufacturer’s rated output 5 Vrms balanced. The meters read 0 dB on the C2300. This is a level you would rarely see in practice.

    Again, exemplary performance – 0.006% from 20 Hz to 20 kHz. What’s interesting here is that the THD+N dropped with increasing level. This is due to the fact that most of what we are measuring is noise, so as you increase the input level the THD+N drops as the noise is fixed and does not vary with input level.



    It has been correctly noted by many that absolute levels of THD+N are irrelevant and do not correlate with what listeners perceive. I believe this is true. What’s important is the level of each of the harmonics. Out of phase 2nd order distortion is euphonic, while even low levels of higher order distortion 5th, 6th, 7th, etc. are perceived as adding grain and harshness.

    So I ran an FFT of the distortion coming out of the C 2300 with a 1 kHz tone at two levels – 0 dBu, or 0.775 Vrms, a normal level, and 5 Vrms, 0dB on the C 2300 meters.

    Here is the graph with 0 dBu input:

    What we are interested in here is the top Yellow trace and the Y axis legend on the right side. Here the 1 kHz tone has been notched out and all that remains is the distortion and noise. There are no harmonics visible at all. This is exemplary performance! But wait, what is that spike at 4.57 kHz? More on that later. But it is not THD!




    Increasing the level to 5 Vrms you get this graph:
    Here you can finally see some distortion coming out of the noise.
    The second harmonic is -100 dB down, 0.001%
    The third harmonic is -110 dB down, 0.0003%
    There is no evidence of higher order harmonics visible.

    And there is our spike at 4.57 kHz. I found this is independent of front panel volume, and I isolated the C 2300 by moving it 3 ft away from everything. Turns out this 4.57 kHz signal is coming from the meter illumination drive circuit. If you turn of the front panel meters, the 4.57 kHz signal disappears!



    Another way to measure distortion that some say is a more sensitive test is to drive the amplifier with a two-tone signal and look at all the distortion products. In this case I drove the C 2300 with equal amplitude sinusoids at F1=18 kHz and F2=19 kHz, and looked for distortion at F2-F1= 1 kHz. In this case I increased the input level from 100 mV to 5V and plotted the resulting distortion. Again, it was below the noise until I reached about 2 Vrms input. At 5Vrms it was still below 0.002%



    Now onto the noise itself. I measured the noise over a 22 Hz to 22 kHz bandwidth, RMS detector, referenced to McIntosh’s output specification of 5 Vrms. This was O dB on the C 2300 meters.

    SNR
    L = -100.4 dB
    R = -100.9 dB

    SNR with “A” weighting filter

    L = -103.4 dB
    R = -104.0 dB

    Again, these are exemplary numbers for a tube line stage. There were no indications of any power supply related spuriae in the output. It was clean as a whistle.

    In reality, you will probably be running this preamp with an output of – 20 dB on the meters, so you will subtract that number from the above measurements to get a more realistic SNR view.

    The C2300, while not an internally balanced design, has balanced inputs and outputs. I measured the C 2300 input’s common mode rejection ratio – the ability of the preamp to reject hum and noise. The result is ok at low frequencies, 60 and 120 Hz, where it is about 30 dB, but degrades to only -14 dB at higher frequencies, limiting the preamp’s ability to reject noise on its balanced inputs.





    In summary, the C2300 is an exemplary tube line stage, with good SNR and low distortion. I’ll exercise the MC and MM phono stages at a later date.
    Tom

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    Re: C 2300 - by the numbers

    Tom.......It is so interesting to see the graphs that represent what my ears have been telling me for years. The McIntosh C2300 tube preamplifier is fabulous. I appreciate your effort and expertise in providing this information to us. I love my C2300. It is already a true classic. It is unlikely that I will ever part with mine.


    Dan

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    Re: C 2300 - by the numbers

    Dan,
    Like you I'm on my second one, after regretting selling the first. I won't make mistake again!
    Tom

    Audio:
    Amati Futura Mains
    Amati Homage VOX Center,
    Proac Response 1sc Rears,
    Three MC2301's for L,C,R
    MC 602 for the rears
    C 1100, MX 151, MCD 1100, MR 77
    Nottingham Dais with Sumiko Palo Santos Presentation
    SurfacePro 3, JRiver, WW Starlight Platinum USB, Schiit Yggdrasil, Benchmark DAC3 HGC

    Video:
    MX 151, OppO BDP-95, JVC RS-500 DILA projector, 106" diagonal Stewart Luxus Screenwall Deluxe with Studiotek 130 G3 material.

    Lake House:
    Ohm F, MC 275V, C2300, MR 80, Rega P3

    OnDeck:
    McIntosh MAC 4300v

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    Re: C 2300 - by the numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by W9TR View Post
    Dan,
    Like you I'm on my second one, after regretting selling the first. I won't make mistake again!
    Tom.......Just reread this very informative thread. I ran across it looking for the correct place to post my C2300 tube testing that I did today. Yep, I won't make that mistake of selling my C2300 again, either. It is a sweet analog tube preamp.
    Dan

    STUDIO - McIntosh C1000C/P, MC2301 (2), MR88, Aurender N10, Esoteric K-01X, Shunyata Sigma spdif digital coax,
    Sonos Connect, Stillpoints Ultra SS & Ultra Mini, PurePower 2000, Furutech Flux 50, Michell Gyro SE, Michell HR Power Supply, SME 309, Ortofon Cadenza Black, Sonus faber Amati Anniversario

    LIVING ROOM - McIntosh C2300, MC75 (2), MR85, Magnum Dynalab 205 Signal Sleuth, Sonos Connect, Simaudio MOON Neo 260D-T, Schiit Audio Yggdrasil, Aurender N100H, Shunyata Sigma USB cable,
    Sony DAT 60ES, Nakamichi BX-300, Micro Seiki DD40 w/m505A tonearm, Ortofon Cadenza Blue, PS Audio P10, Furutech Flux 50, Stillpoints Ultra Mini, PMC EB1i, JL Audio f113

    VINTAGE - McIntosh 4300V, McIntosh MA230, Tandberg 3011A tuner, Olive 04HD, JBL 4312A

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    Re: C 2300 - by the numbers

    Tom,

    I’m sorry I’m missed this thread last year. What an excellent job of documenting the C2300. I sold one too even though it was a great performer. Yes, another mistake of mine.

    Thank you for posting the above.
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