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    Re: New B&O ICE Power 1200AS2 Module @ Nord: 600W into 8Ohms 1200W into 4Ohms

    Quote Originally Posted by barrows View Post
    One thing I would point out is that comparisons of the 1200 AS2 to amps using NC-500 modules does not seem fair. Most of the NC-500 builds being used for comparison are dual mono amps with completely separate power supplies for each channel. In my experience full dual mono designs have an advantage in terms of sound staging and often dynamics as well.
    I am looking forward to seeing what happens when we get a true dual mono amp with two 1200 AS1 boards (or mono blocks, whatever) as this should be what is compared to the dual mono Nord amps (etc) based on two SMPS 1200 and two NC-500 modules.
    The 1200AS1 is the same board as 1200AS2 with some parts on one channel de-popped and with the same power supply - this is a very standard h/w design pattern for board designs. I have the Nords One up (and have both the SI and Sparkos) monoblock and also use two Takachi 1200AS2 chassis (from Mivera) using only one channel on each amp which is equivalent to monoblock configuration.

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    Re: New B&O ICE Power 1200AS2 Module @ Nord: 600W into 8Ohms 1200W into 4Ohms

    Quote Originally Posted by Ric Schultz View Post
    Hi,
    New to this forum. I hope this is a super mellow place to share our experience and thoughts.

    Here are my thoughts on the 1200AS2:

    1. If you are already selling the Hypex Ncore amps and then comes along a cheaper module that is better and you claim it is, then you will never sell another Ncore amp and all your modules, chassis and power supplies have to be thrown away. I personally would not trust anyone who sells both to tell you what is really going on.
    Yes, I would agree. Anyone believing the manufacturers of both the amp that one sounds better than the other is silly.

    Moreover, folks without any experience with any of the 1200as or Nords would give their expert opinion which is rather annoying.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ric Schultz View Post
    There are already two people who have A/Bed the Nord one up to the 1200AS2 and both found the 1200AS2 to be sonically better. I would trust these people over those that sell both modules. There will be more doing these comparisons in the future too. I was going to give some links to the A/Bs but the Minerva forum on Audiocircle is gone and so are all the threads. One of these two A/Bs were using two 1200AS2 modules (two stereo chassis) and the other was a single stereo module.
    Yeah, that would be me. I am the only one who bought two of them to run in a monoblock config. here is the early review from AC:

    https://www.audiocircle.com/index.ph...700#msg1660700


    Quote Originally Posted by Ric Schultz View Post

    2. Dual mono.....I have no reason to doubt that dual mono 1200AS2s or 1s would sound better. However, it looks like even one beats the Nc500.
    I agree but I don't think there is a difference between 2 and 1s provided you run the 2s single channel. The 1s are the same 2s with some parts on one channel de-popped - very standard board design.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ric Schultz View Post

    3. Wire, connectors and chassis: Everything makes a difference. What brand of solder, directionality of wires, damping.....everything.....this is my experience playing in this game for 40 years. All brands of amps using the same module will sound slightly different from each other. However, there is much more to making good sound than using the worlds greatest wire, connectors and heavy chassis. I will be introducing a 1200AS2 based amp later this summer that will have lots of "other stuff added and done". These things will make it sound mucho better than any other 1200AS2 amp.....hopefully....have not done this yet.....just know what I can do. I will have 3 stereo amps out on tour in a month or so, so everyone can verify themselves how good this amp is versus whatever.

    I cannot wait to tweak this amp!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is going to be fun.
    I would be interested to hear one of yours.

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    Re: New B&O ICE Power 1200AS2 Module @ Nord: 600W into 8Ohms 1200W into 4Ohms

    This thread is finally getting some momentum.
    I'm no expert in these matters but I find it very interesting.
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    Re: New B&O ICE Power 1200AS2 Module @ Nord: 600W into 8Ohms 1200W into 4Ohms

    Devg,

    I don't understand what you mean by this, are you missing a word?

    Devg said: Anyone believing the manufacturers of both the amp that one sounds better than the other is silly.

    Are you saying a manufacturer wouldn't say which one they think is better and that I'm lying about it? Or are you saying like Rick, that the people selling both these amps are lying as to which on is better?

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    Re: New B&O ICE Power 1200AS2 Module @ Nord: 600W into 8Ohms 1200W into 4Ohms

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg F View Post
    Devg,

    I don't understand what you mean by this, are you missing a word?

    Devg said: Anyone believing the manufacturers of both the amp that one sounds better than the other is silly.

    Are you saying a manufacturer wouldn't say which one they think is better and that I'm lying about it? Or are you saying like Rick, that the people selling both these amps are lying as to which on is better?
    Please don't put words in my mouth! I never said Nord/whomever is lying about which amp is better. I am just saying it is possible.....especially given the feedback of the Mivera versus the Nord. Maybe they listened and actually feel that the NC500 is better. What I am saying is that they cannot be trusted to give an objective "truth".....since they have much to lose if they said the cheaper one is better.

    None of this matters. What matters is what people hear when they compare the amps. Let us wait for more direct feedback.

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    Re: New B&O ICE Power 1200AS2 Module @ Nord: 600W into 8Ohms 1200W into 4Ohms

    Well, the AS1200 exhibits more HF phase shift than the AS700...and here is one trusted audiophiles impression vs the Ncore
    Go figure that one. Maybe age related?

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    Re: New B&O ICE Power 1200AS2 Module @ Nord: 600W into 8Ohms 1200W into 4Ohms

    Now isn't that funny. Your "trusted audiophile" is none other than Mike (bavmike, Mivera Audio, Blizzard, etc.). Mivera Audio is using the 1200AS2 and claims it sounds way better than anything in the world....he he. He thinks the more than 10 year old design of the AS700 is very dated and that this new IcePower IceEdge module is better than Ncore. These kind of measurement things really don't mean much of anything. Please listen to the module versus another module and decide for yourself. Age related? Mike is a youngster by my measurement (I am 70). Everyone says the highs on the 1200AS2 are really great. Again, please listen.

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    Re: New B&O ICE Power 1200AS2 Module @ Nord: 600W into 8Ohms 1200W into 4Ohms

    Quote Originally Posted by Ric Schultz View Post
    Mivera Audio is using the 1200AS2 and claims it sounds way better than anything in the world....he he. He thinks the more than 10 year old design of the AS700 is very dated
    Rick, that sure looks like a "latest and greatest" 700AS2
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    Re: New B&O ICE Power 1200AS2 Module @ Nord: 600W into 8Ohms 1200W into 4Ohms

    Rick, I clearly addressed my question to Devg, did you miss that? I find it sad that someone would put all vendors in a box that says "not to be trusted". It makes me wonder about the people who say things like this.

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    Re: New B&O ICE Power 1200AS2 Module @ Nord: 600W into 8Ohms 1200W into 4Ohms

    Quote Originally Posted by AJ Soundfield View Post
    Rick, that sure looks like a "latest and greatest" 700AS2
    I was just reading about someone who really likes this module, I don't think it's old though.

 

 
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