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July 31, 2017, 07:53 PM #1
Schiit out of luck.
Well I have had the Schiit Freya preamp at the office for about a week and brought it home Friday. It really is a fantastic preamp but I had a long sighh of relief when I dropped the REF 5SE back in tonight. I might give it some more burn in time. TBC.....
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July 31, 2017, 08:31 PM #2
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Re: Schiit out of luck.
Well there's a reason the big-boy preamps cost $5K and up I'm not a huge fan of the 6SN7 tube either, but the 6H30 is great.
I run a Yggdrasil DAC in my headphone rig, and have heard the Mjolnir 2 tube headphone amp. I think the Yggdrasil is very good sounding for the money (as long as you avoid its awful USB Gen 3 input). I wasn't so blown away by the Mjolnir. For the main 2ch rig, I prefer my components to be of more substantial quality that what Schiit has on offer.
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July 31, 2017, 08:34 PM #3
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July 31, 2017, 08:36 PM #4
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Re: Schiit out of luck.
And just as many of us prefer it the other way around.
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July 31, 2017, 08:40 PM #5
Re: Schiit out of luck.
I wonder if the 6H30 would work in the Freya.......OOPS wrong socket.
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August 11, 2018, 10:18 AM #6
Re: Schiit out of luck.
having had lots of pre amps in past like yourself including the ref5se . i am currently using the schiit saga pre and its a super little thing . for the 360 pounds it costs it really is delightful
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August 11, 2018, 10:25 AM #7
Re: Schiit out of luck.
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August 11, 2018, 11:13 AM #8
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August 11, 2018, 11:17 AM #9
Re: Schiit out of luck.
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August 11, 2018, 11:26 AM #10
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Re: Schiit out of luck.
There is no difference in sound between the Sovtek and EH 6H30 tubes. They are made in the same factory and the only difference is the gold pins which I prefer due to the fact that the don't really oxidize much. My BAT pre uses 8 of them. They certainly are not a warm and fuzzy tube but they will last thousands of hours.
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August 11, 2018, 11:33 AM #11
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Re: Schiit out of luck.
Your assessment of the Yggy is interesting as most people are probably using the usb input. I haven't read many negative posts about the Yggy.
I think the whole concept behind Schiit is good sound for cheap and I think that they succeed given their success with their Bifrost DAC and Mani phono preamp.My Gear- Mains System-Pass X250 amp, BAT VK-51se preamp, Luxman DA-06 DAC, Magnepan 1.6's, Thorens TD-145 TT, Dual Martin Logan Subs, Vintage Luxman T-110 Tuner, Cables-WW Platinum 7 USB, Cardas Parsec XLR, AQ Columbia DBS 72v XLR, Belden 8402 XLR.
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August 11, 2018, 12:43 PM #12
Re: Schiit out of luck.
mulveling.......I have not heard the Gen 3 USB input on the first generation Yggdrasil DAC, but it seems to be the general consensus that the USB input was bested by the AES/EBU and coaxial inputs. Some reported that the USB Gen 3 input was a bit bright, so I can understand your comment. Having said that, the newest Yggdrasil DAC with the Analog 2 upgrade and the newest Gen 5 USB input is astonishing. You may want to consider having Schiit Audio perform the upgrade. My Yggdrasil Analog 2/Gen 5 USB is truly remarkable. I made a direct A/B comparison of the new Yggy to the Esoteric K-01X and discovered they are quite similar in performance despite their wide price difference ($20K to $2.4K). Even with such the huge price disparity the Yggdrasil can definitely hold its own against many top DACs.
If you haven't yet read my Schiit Audio Yggdrasil Review and Esoteric K-01X versus Schiit Audio Yggdrasil you may find those threads interesting.Dan
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August 11, 2018, 01:08 PM #13
Re: Schiit out of luck.
In my ARC pre these tubes did sound quite a bit better. An audio club buddy was over and we listened for some time and then we both agreed. A nice improvement. We compared original ARC provided tubes with low hours, and the EH purchased from Upscale, as ARC Select matched pair.
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August 13, 2018, 08:50 AM #14
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Re: Schiit out of luck.
a lot of tube guys have given me grief because of my love of the 6H30 tube in the preamp circuit. it's just such a clean sound, and still brings that holographic tube soundstaging to the table
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August 13, 2018, 01:00 PM #15
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I certainly don't doubt your findings but the Sovtek tubes have the same innards as the EH's minus the gold pins and they are made in the same factory. Could it be just the age of the tubes or better tube matching and microphonics. When I bought my EH's I had them matched and then when I got them, a friend tested them for me and he was surprised at how well they tested and how closely matched they were. Also, it is important to keep the pins on the non gold pin tubes clean. I would clean the pins on my non gold pin tubes once a year with deoxit.
Also, the gold pin tubes seem to fit tighter due the the extra coating making the pins slightly thicker. A better connection in the socket could account for better sound.My Gear- Mains System-Pass X250 amp, BAT VK-51se preamp, Luxman DA-06 DAC, Magnepan 1.6's, Thorens TD-145 TT, Dual Martin Logan Subs, Vintage Luxman T-110 Tuner, Cables-WW Platinum 7 USB, Cardas Parsec XLR, AQ Columbia DBS 72v XLR, Belden 8402 XLR.
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August 13, 2018, 03:20 PM #16
Re: Schiit out of luck.
You may be correct. These factors I di not know. This is why I listed that I had purchased the Upscale ARC Select tubes which are supposed to be the tubes that tested the best are are reserved for ARC equipment. Any or all of the factors you mentioned may have contributed.
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August 13, 2018, 04:56 PM #17
Re: Schiit out of luck.
I have a Freya also and it might be a bit too neutral for those looking for a more "tubey" sound. Haven't used in a couple months so forgot what tubes are in, not the factory stock. It's an outrageous bargain for a full featured domestic product. Add a zero or two and some folks might take it more seriously.
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August 13, 2018, 08:38 PM #18
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My Gear- Mains System-Pass X250 amp, BAT VK-51se preamp, Luxman DA-06 DAC, Magnepan 1.6's, Thorens TD-145 TT, Dual Martin Logan Subs, Vintage Luxman T-110 Tuner, Cables-WW Platinum 7 USB, Cardas Parsec XLR, AQ Columbia DBS 72v XLR, Belden 8402 XLR.
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August 26, 2018, 09:04 AM #19
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been using the freya every night since i got it a week ago , also added in a townshend dct xlr from my dac and the sound is weighty , tremendous soundstage and gripping . its getting better . an american friend popped in who is not an audiophile and was blown away , said it sounded better than the real thing . i am using all the stock tubes from freya as chap i got it from had some tungsol in the right side and it made too much tube noise in my horns . with the stock tubes all equal its pretty silent and very full blooded . this is a refreshing bargain
just over lunch i have been reading about the new 21k vivid speakers , 13k mac integrated etc etc ..... and here is a pre amp that costs a mere fraction of that price and sounds very good indeed .1]bel canto EIX/ F5 monoblocks . BC cd2, tannoy eaton legacy 2]bel canto pre 5 ,arcam a85 , black ice modded dac
modded dac , marantz sa8005, Verity audio Rienzi
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August 26, 2018, 09:14 AM #20
Re: Schiit out of luck.
Marty
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August 27, 2018, 01:17 PM #21
Re: Schiit out of luck.
yes i miss my 5se but these days i have to be a bit more careful with money and this freya is very cost effective and compelling .
1]bel canto EIX/ F5 monoblocks . BC cd2, tannoy eaton legacy 2]bel canto pre 5 ,arcam a85 , black ice modded dac
modded dac , marantz sa8005, Verity audio Rienzi
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August 27, 2018, 10:10 PM #22
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Re: Schiit out of luck.
I would love to get a hold of a Freya and see what Jupiter, Deulund or Mundorf caps could do for it.
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August 30, 2018, 11:32 AM #23
Re: Schiit out of luck.
now that would be very interesting
1]bel canto EIX/ F5 monoblocks . BC cd2, tannoy eaton legacy 2]bel canto pre 5 ,arcam a85 , black ice modded dac
modded dac , marantz sa8005, Verity audio Rienzi
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August 30, 2018, 12:13 PM #24
Re: Schiit out of luck.
Are these four Wima caps the coupling caps? Might be a fairly easy experiment. I don't think Schitt would agree.
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September 2, 2018, 09:36 AM #25
Re: Schiit out of luck.
1]bel canto EIX/ F5 monoblocks . BC cd2, tannoy eaton legacy 2]bel canto pre 5 ,arcam a85 , black ice modded dac
modded dac , marantz sa8005, Verity audio Rienzi
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November 10, 2018, 02:08 PM #26
Re: Schiit out of luck.
changed the valves in the freya for tung-sol and its a slightly warmer sound , definately an improvement on the stock valves . at 88 pounds for 4 valves thats not bad upgrade
1]bel canto EIX/ F5 monoblocks . BC cd2, tannoy eaton legacy 2]bel canto pre 5 ,arcam a85 , black ice modded dac
modded dac , marantz sa8005, Verity audio Rienzi
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November 11, 2018, 04:18 AM #27
Re: Schiit out of luck.
Here's mine, but no, it doesn't compete with hi-end preamps. Throw the russians at it, much better
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November 11, 2018, 12:39 PM #28
Re: Schiit out of luck.
thanks , maybe not , but its not bad for the money
1]bel canto EIX/ F5 monoblocks . BC cd2, tannoy eaton legacy 2]bel canto pre 5 ,arcam a85 , black ice modded dac
modded dac , marantz sa8005, Verity audio Rienzi
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November 11, 2018, 08:20 PM #29
Re: Schiit out of luck.
I agree. For the money & the price it is a very good bargain.
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