Gryphon at Munich High End 2017

[Mike]

https://youtu.be/wfxWGkcd3_w



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[Nikhil]

Gryphon was one room I really wanted to listen to at Munich.
Listening slots were just impossible to get on the days I was there.

The Kalliope DAC and the Diablo Integrated are two products I would like to hear.

[R S]

I too would be really interested to hear any owners experience with the Kalliope DAC. Anyone?

[annapolis Raider]

owned one for over a year, PM me

[the professor]

Im interested how it was also.

owned one for over a year, PM me

[Phishphan]

owned one for over a year, PM me

Post your thoughts on it publicly. I’m sure many of us would like to hear about your experience


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[Kuoppis]

Gryphon was one room I really wanted to listen to at Munich.
Listening slots were just impossible to get on the days I was there.

Agree this was a bit of an organizational flaw and not very well thought-through.

The manufacturer invests in displaying their ware at a public trade show to demo products. Then only pre-registered dealers can listen? Killed my interest in anything Gryphon.


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[annapolis Raider]

Post your thoughts on it publicly. I’m sure many of us would like to hear about your experience


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Not trying to be coy guys. Gryphon Audio Kalliope is a DAC state of the art contender worthy of Gryphon's status (IMHO) as top five high end audio vendor. I have owned 5 Gryphon Audio products and the ownership experience has been excellent.

I am NOT a reviewer, dealer, or industry representative of any type, but I do know and benefit from relationships with quite a few of them. Out of respect for all the people that allow me to experience their equipment, I do not make public comparisons. So for the obvious questions that I know a lot of you would like to know, ie How does the Kalliope compare to CH, or any of the other 10 or so DACs I've compared it to. You will have to PM me.

[Kuoppis]

Gryphons demo´s in Munich are never reserved for pre-registered dealers or press, but its a Gryphon policy to make demos limited to a number of people, that allow for the best possible sound experience in the room.
We prefer a great demo for 18 rather than a poor one for 50
We do this out of respect for the consumers. Unfortunately that means that the seats are taken very fast.

Good for you Gryphon Audio, power to you.

But in case I travel 500 km to an audio show to hear products I am interested in, I want to hear them. If a company then is too precious to respect my time investment, they’re falling off my world map. It is interesting to operate in sales based on what you prefer, I’ve heard of companies who think about what customers might prefer.

But it actually is very simple: as a consumer I can only vote with my feet and $$. Now there’s a Pass amp in my system, could have been a Gryphon. But good for you that you have that preference of yours.

Luckily for Gryphon there are dealers like Mike, who have a passion for music, vast experience trying out and recommending different things, and who understand the importance of taking their time with customers.


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[SCAudiophile]

At Gryphon we believe that the consumer wants - and deserve - the best possible demonstration.
A show with 15.000 visitors, in 3 days, cannot offer that, this is why we are lucky to have good retailers such as Mike.

No doubt Mike's a great retailer of any product that he represents. The US is a huge expanse of geography; you need more than
a handful of dealers to cover it if you will be successful reintroducing your products here (which many of us would love to hear
myself included).

Kuoppis said it very well. I will add that taking the stance you have is understandable but at the preeminent audio show in the
entire world, you might want to be a bit more flexible, offer more demos, more seats, get a larger room, whatever it takes to allow
more people to experience your products.

All said with respect...

[Mike]

No doubt Mike's a great retailer of any product that he represents. The US is a huge expanse of geography; you need more than
a handful of dealers to cover it if you will be successful reintroducing your products here (which many of us would love to hear
myself included).

Kuoppis said it very well. I will add that taking the stance you have is understandable but at the preeminent audio show in the
entire world, you might want to be a bit more flexible, offer more demos, more seats, get a larger room, whatever it takes to allow
more people to experience your products.

All said with respect...

This is probably a good topic for another thread. The reality is, there just isn’t that many dealers across the country who are willing to invest $50,000 to $100,000 of their own money in another brand. Just think, if those dealers have Boulder, Soulution, CH or something similar, the odds of them ponying up for another brand is very low. Remember, we have to buy all our gear and brands like Gryphon don’t just require just a Diablo 120 and you’re good to go. They want to see 120, 300, separates, sources, speakers, etc.

The Gryphon distributor has done a great job flying all over the country meeting with potential dealers, and not just any dealer, but the right dealer. You won’t see Gryphon electronics slapped up against a Sony TV either. But remember, it’s a two way street. The right dealer must also be willing to make the investment and the right dealer must fit the profile. Are they serious about two channel or are they pushing TV’s and CI work?

Choosing the right brands is something I stress over constantly. I assess the entire situation. For example, when there is only one person behind a company, it’s very concerning. There’s a prominent electronics manufacturer right now I would be scared as hell to carry. The owner is the company and he’s not getting any younger. Some companies like Pass, have a great team in place going forward. Conrad Johnson just announced their succession plan. Ditto for VPI and many others.

To be honest, I’ve had to let some brands go for various reasons. While picking the right equipment, products you love and can get behind is important, it’s equally important to work with companies and distributors that have a great support structure and you can trust. I’ve dropped a few who did some real sneaky shit. Others, I struggled selling and had to make a change. I will tell you, that for the most part, working with manufacturers or manufacturer reps is terrific. There are also some amazing, supportive distributors out there too. But there are others who are posing as sole sellers, and trust me, they’re not going to last.

As for the Munich demo, my recommendation is to go straight to the Gryphon room the minute the show opens on the first day and ask for passes for the show. The Gryphon demo is excellent. They lock the door to avoid unnecessary distractions and noise, and the demos are well orchestrated with a variety of music and equipment discussion. It’s not a quick 5 minute listen and go. It’s a good chunk of time, well spent.