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May 2, 2017, 03:35 PM #351
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May 2, 2017, 03:37 PM #352
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May 2, 2017, 04:34 PM #353
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What you are really bashing is the hotel room and the setup skills employed in a hotel room. My only point is it doesn't do any good to bash the gear after you walk into a hotel room and don't like the sound. I don't sugarcoat anything I hear at rooms and talk about how great something sounded if it sounded like crap to me. I just don't say anything about bad sounding rooms. Are you really going to steer clear of any gear that some person heard at a show and trashed it without knowing what the real culprit was? I take it all with a grain of salt. And besides, some of the rooms at Axpona that some people were raving about and named "best of show" didn't thrill me.
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May 2, 2017, 04:46 PM #354
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Which rooms were those MEP ..???
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May 2, 2017, 04:56 PM #355
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The latter yes, the former, no. The rooms on the upper floors are for the most part identical. You hear good/great sound in one, then go next door and hear poor sound, it isn't "the room". Setup...or maybe just poor speakers/electronics.
Actually, much of what he describes doesn't sound like room issues at all. Maybe he just wasn't feeling it. One room sounded great...then bad.
Hard to say what the heck was going on there, but if that is what he heard, then say it.
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May 2, 2017, 04:59 PM #356
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May 2, 2017, 05:06 PM #357
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In the grand scheme of things, what is the value of that information? Zilch in my opinion. How many speakers on the market that people want to hear when they go to a high-end show were designed for the size of a typical hotel room? Horses for courses as they say, but in the case of high-end shows, people are trying to cram 6F, 7F, 8F, and 1 1/8M horses into the same size "course." You would never do that at home in your own listening room and yet people expect to see that at shows and act amazed when the sound is less than optimum. But what the hell, let's trash all the gear in the room and rule it out because some people didn't like the way it performed in a hotel room.
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May 2, 2017, 05:20 PM #358
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For the record, I've seen AJ at many shows. The best speakers he's ever made that I've heard were the model he demoed for us one year at a local audiophiles (I think he was giving that demo pair to his brother).
What I find interesting is a pattern. I noticed that certain speakers always sound good/great from show to show to show. Some years they are in a big room, other years, they are in a small room. But they always manage to get good to great sound.
Subsequently, I noticed other speakers rarely produce a decent sound at a show whether they are in a big room or a small room.
Show in, show out, you can start to get a basic idea. If a hotel room is a hostile environment and the speakers you are considering sound good to great consistently, well, then chances are they may work well in your room. No guarantees, but you get the point. And the reverse is true.My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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May 2, 2017, 05:26 PM #359
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May 2, 2017, 05:34 PM #361
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BTW MEP, any info on the TT tango ....
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May 2, 2017, 07:34 PM #363
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Reviewers must have a penchant for hyperbole.
I didn't "like" anything such, except Jason expressing what he heard, good or bad. Maybe I just like honesty, rather than pretense.
If you as a reviewer can't say a bad word about anyone/thing in industry, especially at an audio show(!), might as well be a cheerleader.
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May 2, 2017, 07:40 PM #364
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May 2, 2017, 08:12 PM #365
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Well, if you can't say anything bad even when you hear what might be to your ears, "bad" sound at an audio show, I think I'll skip.
I'd rather read stuff by folks like Jason, or Mike, etc., who aren't afraid to express what they hear, at least to them.
Others are free to disagree.
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May 2, 2017, 08:18 PM #366
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Since you listen to mostly clipped dynamics MEP how do you expect anyone to take your product reviews seriously.
Btw, what amp does Karl use with his NOLA setup ..??
Anyway , Im really surprised Myles never mentioned this to you when you were in training, Myles has become very sensitive to Dynamic clipping , especially after acquiring Big power for his Magico's...
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May 2, 2017, 08:23 PM #367
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May 2, 2017, 08:24 PM #368
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Mep , Show AJ your Pom Poms .....
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May 2, 2017, 08:50 PM #370
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How many times have I told you that Carl used the Ref 75 with the Nola KOs first with KT120 tubes and then with KT150 tubes? As for clipping all the time, how loud do you listen? Let's do some quick math with the Nola KO speakers rated at 90dB sensitivity:
90dB = 1 watt
93dB = 2 watts
96dB = 4 watts
99dB = 8 watts
102dB = 16 watts
105dB = 32 watts
108dB = 64 watts
108 dB is not a safe average loundness level to listen to and that is less than the RMS output of my amp. The Ref 75 has a beefy power supply that stores 520 Joules. That amount of current reserve will help you ride out crest peaks you love to talk about. Clipping is not an issue in my room which has a very low ambient noise floor and is 9' underground in a room with no windows or doors to outside. Just thick poured concrete walls insulated on the outside and in. You really have no business passing judgement on a system you have never heard. But that is the kind of guy you are.Micro Seiki SX-8000 air bearing table, SME 312s arm, SME 3012R arn, Dynavector XV-1s cartridge, Lyra Etna SL cartridge, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 2 track R2R, Ampex 350 tape repros, Roon Nucleus Plus music server, HiFi Rose 150B DAC, ARC Ref 6, ARC Ref 75 with KT-150s, Parasound JC5 amp , JBL 4345 speakers, Viero Equilibro Level 3 speaker cables, and Definitive Technology Ref subs.
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May 3, 2017, 03:50 AM #371
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Well i can agree if you throw away the science you can make up anything, as you just did ..
Try it again with a little credibility, Like listening distance ,(instead of using 1M ) 87db (1W) instead of 90db (2watt) sensitivity (its a 4 ohm speaker) , so while i can believe you about the system sounding good with the ref75, ( it's a great sounding amplifier) Im confident your squashing Karls hard work ...
Btw sensitivity ratings were off a bit here too
http://www.stereophile.com/content/n...8w2UP8tRLS5.97
just saying ...
I have also heard the KO's being driven by big McIntosh monobloc toob amps and i can assure you on the Patricia Barber recording that was being played they were using way more than 200 watts/ ch on peaks..
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May 3, 2017, 06:09 AM #372
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Get your facts right first before you try and use me to ridicule Mark. I had the cj ART amps long before the Magicos took up residence in my system. The amps, in fact, had little to do with what my system's dynamic range at that time either. Then later on after that Magicos arrived, it was the addition of the Doshi phonostage that allowed me to harness what the table and cartridge were capable of doing as well the tape front end that now includes the Doshi Tapestage, FM heads running balanced out and a totally tricked out Technics deck.
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May 3, 2017, 08:20 AM #373
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You do realize you posted the graphs for the wrong Nola speaker right? The KO is a 90dB sensitivity speaker and Carl specifically wants it run off the 8 ohm tap.
I think I figured out why you love to talk about crest factors so much. Aren't you a salesman for home theater gear in Florida? When you sell home theater gear to people who are trying to reproduce gun battles, cannons, bombs, and car wrecks with their systems at insanely high levels, it's really important to have lots of watts at your disposal. That probably helps explain your love for arc welder SS power amps and why you love to talk about crest factors. Listening to one bomb drop after another is going to bring up the average power requirements quite high. Listening to music that is is averaging less than 4 watts of average power is quite something different.
Maybe I understand now why you don't want to show pictures of your stereo system even though you are constantly crapping on other people's gear. You probably don't even have a stereo system, you have a home theater system because that is what you sell. You like to listen to train wrecks while trying to cause them on forums.Micro Seiki SX-8000 air bearing table, SME 312s arm, SME 3012R arn, Dynavector XV-1s cartridge, Lyra Etna SL cartridge, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 2 track R2R, Ampex 350 tape repros, Roon Nucleus Plus music server, HiFi Rose 150B DAC, ARC Ref 6, ARC Ref 75 with KT-150s, Parasound JC5 amp , JBL 4345 speakers, Viero Equilibro Level 3 speaker cables, and Definitive Technology Ref subs.
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May 3, 2017, 09:15 AM #374
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Back to your regularly scheduled program...
Just some random shots I hadn't uploaded yet.
PS. Hi Ian
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May 3, 2017, 12:55 PM #376
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I hope not. So you walk into a hotel room and you sit down to "listen" to a bunch of unfamiliar gear in what has to be an unfamiliar system shoved into a hotel room and now you are qualified to pass judgment on all the pieces of gear that made up the system you tried to listen to while other people were in the room yammering? Which is more effort than some people put into "listening" to a room before they pass judgement. I think I remember the big kerfuffle that happened on another forum was based on a member who went to an audio show in CA and passed judgment on a room that he never entered let alone sat down and tried to listen to. He got called out by other people who knew him and saw him at the show stick his head in the door for 15 seconds in the room that he later slammed on the internet.
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May 3, 2017, 01:01 PM #377
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May 3, 2017, 01:07 PM #378
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I didn't say that. People love to see the pictures of the gear and some rooms do pull off really good sound. That's why I have said numerous times that if you hear something sound really good at a show, chances are good it will sound even better at your house unless your room is worse than a hotel room. The flip side of that is you can't really make the same judgment in reverse for the many rooms with bad sound.
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May 3, 2017, 01:28 PM #379
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That is exactly what you said.
So you walk into a hotel room and you sit down to "listen" to a bunch of unfamiliar gear in what has to be an unfamiliar system shoved into a hotel room and now you are qualified to pass judgment on all the pieces of gear that made up the system you tried to listen to while other people were in the room yammering?
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Having done a few shows in the US now, and a few in Brazil as well, I think I can chime in on this topic...
See, a hotel room is not that different from a person's living room. Sure, sizes differ, and the challenges, while different, are just as present. I mean, it's much tougher to deal with a system that must be placed in a living room, off-center, with completely asymmetrical room layouts, than in a reasonably proportioned hotel room.
Also, you can COUNT on electricity in the hotel being of the worst kind, so we always come prepared. PS Audio has saved our bacon many times, with the P10. While it does chop off a bit of dynamics, the stability you gain by using it in a hotel setup far outweights the negatives, specially with tube gear.
It was clear that this year's AXPONA pushed the reviewers to the max, with barely enough time for proper listening. Perhaps an extra day is in order, or a better arrangement to accomodate the reviewer's visits.
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May 3, 2017, 02:28 PM #381
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Well said Alex. I agree. Axpona needs a "press/industry only" on Thursday IMO, they could even add the ability to schedule listening sessions on that day so everyone can plan out their day.
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Yeah... They tried to do something like that at THE Show, but it was so badly communicated, that literally nobody knew about it, not even the exhibitors themselves, let alone the press... It was common to see folks still putting their systems together on Thursday, while we had ours ready to go
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May 3, 2017, 02:34 PM #383
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May 3, 2017, 02:34 PM #384
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Sure. Your pictures are 9000 times better than mine.
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May 3, 2017, 03:23 PM #385
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Agree. The "logic" that it's the rooms to blame for bad sound completely unravels when identical rooms on the same floor have "good" sound.
I think it's entirely possible by late Sunday (I may have mistakenly posted Sat previously), Jasons ears had had enough.
That is the fragility and variability of human perceptions. Take with grain of salt.
Or better yet, experience it and judge for yourself.
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May 3, 2017, 03:28 PM #386
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After years of attending numerous shows and extensive listening in dealer showrooms I've developed an approach I use to form what I consider are reasonably valid conclusions. Since there are many possible limitations on the performance of a system in any given environment (room dimensions, power quality, setup, cabling, and the equipment itself) I try to limit my assessments to positive impressions formed. Further I only consider that each piece of the system being evaluated is capable of at a minimum the level of performance that I experience. Any part of the system may be capable of significantly better performance in a better room, with better setup, power, cabling, or other related gear, but I know it's at least capable of what I actually experienced. I try to not draw negative impressions since in a better system each piece of gear would likely perform better. It's hard to do this since it's an audiophile's nature to condemn whatever we hear that sounds bad, but I don't think that always results in fair and logically based conclusions. YMMV generally applies.
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Yes, you're on to something here
This might be related to the reason ABX test results normally don't correlate to our listening impressions. When you're doing ABX testing, or going from room to room at a show to actually do a report for your "work", you're put under stress to do a specific thing. And that thing is not exactly listen to music, but to nitpick and try to find fault/differences. And frankly, that shouldn't be the goal of this hobby.
We evaluate *anything*, not only audio gear, if we're relaxed and put in a state where we can take it in as a whole, instead of having to find fault with this or that.
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I agree, I have heard equipment I thought negative in shows sound much better outside. If I heard something good at shows, it generally sounded better in proper set up. So yeah, don't want to judge negatively on shows but I find it a bit silly when industry spend so much money on the gear and not on setting it up right. At Munich, there is too much glass and rooms are many a times thin, causing bass loss. Some rooms are different from other rooms. There are small offsite rooms which actually have better conditions
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May 3, 2017, 06:30 PM #390
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There is no excuse for bad sound at any show , rooms are being setup by professionals not weekend audio warriors.
With a really bad room , best to do static display, a pole, stripper, strobe lights and make sure enuff brochures..
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Wow, the Von Schweikert room hit the ball outta the park!!!! AVshowrooms.com
VAC/Von Schweikert Audio with The Kronos turntable and the SCPS-1, MasterBuilt Audio and ASC TubeTraps: Words cannot express what I felt when listening to Roger Waters “Amused to Death” on this system with the ULTRA 11 Von Schweikert loudspeakers. It is the best of show. It is the best of any room at any show I’ve ever attended and I have been in thousands of exhibit rooms over the years. The experience was otherworldly. The sound was big and detailed – organic; the room had a heartbeat except there was no room, everything disappeared, like having the best seat in the house at a venue with excellent acoustics. I’m usually not a big fan of large loudspeakers at shows because they are very hard to set-up properly in a less than adequate environment with little time to get things right, but this was an achievement of the first order. Damon, Kevin, Leif, Art, Kronos and MasterBuilt take a bow to yet another round of applause for providing us listeners with only the very best.NORMAN
Custom PC with Memory Player Software Suite/ Modded Denon CD transport>Lampi GG1 (and sometimes PACIFIC) DHT tube Dac> Rowen 850W Isolating Transformer/ Rowen SS Preamp and PA1 monoblocs/Lampi Silk power cond. with Phase flipper> Heil AMT KITHARA & Syrinx in parallel hookup. Swiss cables (Reference line) for PC/interconnects and speaker cables. Goldmund Sweetcord PC. FTA Callisto unpowered USB cable. Basic analog: vintage Lenco L78 TT with Rowen mat, Denon MM cart, iFi iPhono2 with 15v Hynes SR3 LPSU. Synology 12 TB NAS. 2nd system:KenWin Bluetooth speaker 3rd system TBI Millemnium amp with Aulos speakers and SB Duo hookup.
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May 4, 2017, 01:24 PM #393
Re: Axpona 2017 Official Pictures & Report Thread
2chl : Vincent Sp331MkII, W4S STP-SE Stage 2, Kef 201/2, KEF 140, Vapor Breeze, Lumin, Bryston CD, BHA-1, Quicksilver Headamp, HD650, HD800s, HD820's, Dan Clark 1.1, Focal Stellia, OPPO 203, 105. ( Boxed up: Pass Xa-30.5, VPI Classic, Dynavector DV-20XL, Manley Chinook, Cadenza Bronze)
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May 4, 2017, 01:55 PM #394
Re: Axpona 2017 Official Pictures & Report Thread
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NORMAN
Custom PC with Memory Player Software Suite/ Modded Denon CD transport>Lampi GG1 (and sometimes PACIFIC) DHT tube Dac> Rowen 850W Isolating Transformer/ Rowen SS Preamp and PA1 monoblocs/Lampi Silk power cond. with Phase flipper> Heil AMT KITHARA & Syrinx in parallel hookup. Swiss cables (Reference line) for PC/interconnects and speaker cables. Goldmund Sweetcord PC. FTA Callisto unpowered USB cable. Basic analog: vintage Lenco L78 TT with Rowen mat, Denon MM cart, iFi iPhono2 with 15v Hynes SR3 LPSU. Synology 12 TB NAS. 2nd system:KenWin Bluetooth speaker 3rd system TBI Millemnium amp with Aulos speakers and SB Duo hookup.
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