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March 29, 2017, 04:24 PM #1
Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
I'm curious where the sweetness of SET leaves at the expense of more power.
I am SET curious (ok, obsessed) these days and not sure where to focus my attention on amps/manufacturers.Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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March 29, 2017, 04:58 PM #2
Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
On the Border Patrol 300B amps I listened to. Yes, there was a slight loss of sweetness with the parallel. But it was definitely worth having the extra 8 watts for some extra headroom. That was with the Volti Vitora's.
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March 29, 2017, 05:01 PM #3
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Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
depends on the speaker?
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March 29, 2017, 05:12 PM #4
Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
Thanks Jock.
Keith, I'm still up in the air speaker-wise. Thinking Omega Alnico to start the ball rolling at 98-99 db effficient. Maybe Avant-garde in the future.Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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March 29, 2017, 05:35 PM #5
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Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
it might be worthwhile having a look at a SET with a more powerful output tube -- such as a 6c33c, 845, etc.
for the 6c33c the two names that come to mind are Almarro and Ayon -- not sure of the current US distribution for the Almarro a318-b, but that is one sweet, sweet amp! it puts out 18 wpc. Thoress makes a nice 845 SET but that one is getting up there in price. there are many others out there i am sure.
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March 29, 2017, 07:30 PM #6
Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
Digital: LH Labs Source (someday...) + LH Labs Geek Pulse SFi
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March 29, 2017, 08:42 PM #7
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Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
Joe
This is a SE amp I have been curious about for a while.
http://www.coincidentspeaker.com/rev...i-mar2016.html
Supposed to be a new review on TAS of it too.
On the Omegas, Louis has a couple of new monitors coming using his new 8" driver. They will also be around 98db. He has already posted the floor standing versions.Main - JVC QL-Y7/Denon DL-301 Mk II, Gold Note PH-10, Jays CDT3 Mk3 , Auralic Aries G2.2, Holo May KTE, Supratek Cabernet, Kinki Studio EX-B7 monoblocks, Verity Audio Otello, (2) Rythmik F12SE, Audio Envy IC, SC & PC's, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Inakustik USB and I2S, (2) Puritan Audio Labs PSM-156 with Groundmaster City, Timbernation rack
Family Room - Oppo UDP-203, Auralic Aries, Aqua La Voce S3, Kinki Studio EX-M1+, Nola KO, (2) Rythmik F-12G, Wireworld SC & IC's, Neotech PC's, SurgeX SA-1810
Greenville, SC- Jays CDT2 Mk 3, Auralic Aries G1, Holo Spring 3 KTE, Supratek Chardonnay, Odyssey Audio Kismet Reference, Rosso Fiorentino Volterra 2, (2) RSL Speedwoofers, iFi Audio Power Station, Wireworld IC's, Inakustik USB and I2s, Triode Wire Lab SC, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Furutech NCF Clear Line, Timbernation rack.
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March 29, 2017, 09:08 PM #8
Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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March 29, 2017, 09:12 PM #9
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Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
Are you looking for an amp or an integrated amp?
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March 29, 2017, 09:22 PM #10
Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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March 29, 2017, 09:30 PM #11
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Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
Have you considered the Cary 805AE's? They have quite a bit of power for a SET amp.....
https://www.caryaudio.com/products/cad-805ae/Goldprint Audio -- Dealer For: PS Audio -- Leben -- KEF -- Line Magnetic -- DeVore Fidelity -- Joseph Audio -- Sugden -- Rogue Audio -- Manley Labs -- VPI Industries -- Bel Canto -- Alta Audio -- Tannoy -- Rega -- Kimber Kable -- Ortofon -- Chord -- Sonos -- Quadraspire -- Salamander -- SVS Sound -- Torus Power -- Audio Desk -- Gingko -- Auditorium 23 -- Box Furniture -- Krell -- Cary Audio -- Soundsmith -- EMT
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March 29, 2017, 09:38 PM #12
Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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March 29, 2017, 10:08 PM #13
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Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
Joe
Have you ever looked at Dennis' hand built Inspire line of amps and preamps? They have a large and loyal following on several forums. That Conicident amp can be run both ways. As an integrated with one source or as an amp. If the room they were in wasn't so large I would try one with the Spatials.Main - JVC QL-Y7/Denon DL-301 Mk II, Gold Note PH-10, Jays CDT3 Mk3 , Auralic Aries G2.2, Holo May KTE, Supratek Cabernet, Kinki Studio EX-B7 monoblocks, Verity Audio Otello, (2) Rythmik F12SE, Audio Envy IC, SC & PC's, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Inakustik USB and I2S, (2) Puritan Audio Labs PSM-156 with Groundmaster City, Timbernation rack
Family Room - Oppo UDP-203, Auralic Aries, Aqua La Voce S3, Kinki Studio EX-M1+, Nola KO, (2) Rythmik F-12G, Wireworld SC & IC's, Neotech PC's, SurgeX SA-1810
Greenville, SC- Jays CDT2 Mk 3, Auralic Aries G1, Holo Spring 3 KTE, Supratek Chardonnay, Odyssey Audio Kismet Reference, Rosso Fiorentino Volterra 2, (2) RSL Speedwoofers, iFi Audio Power Station, Wireworld IC's, Inakustik USB and I2s, Triode Wire Lab SC, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Furutech NCF Clear Line, Timbernation rack.
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March 29, 2017, 10:28 PM #14
Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
I have a custom made GM70 PSET, I like it a lot. Builder said you can remove one GM70 tube and it will deliver half the power.. I haven't tried removing one of the GM70's though
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March 29, 2017, 11:37 PM #15
Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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March 29, 2017, 11:48 PM #16
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Audio Note Joe ?
Paul
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March 29, 2017, 11:50 PM #17
Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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March 29, 2017, 11:51 PM #18
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Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
You're right, great looking amp and sold today. He's even doing SE with KT-150's. Some of the amps do as much as 20-24 wpc so would easily push Omegas and even the JBL's. I probably need to break out the RM-10 and try it with the M3's just for fun. It did really well with the KO's and the STP-SE.
Main - JVC QL-Y7/Denon DL-301 Mk II, Gold Note PH-10, Jays CDT3 Mk3 , Auralic Aries G2.2, Holo May KTE, Supratek Cabernet, Kinki Studio EX-B7 monoblocks, Verity Audio Otello, (2) Rythmik F12SE, Audio Envy IC, SC & PC's, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Inakustik USB and I2S, (2) Puritan Audio Labs PSM-156 with Groundmaster City, Timbernation rack
Family Room - Oppo UDP-203, Auralic Aries, Aqua La Voce S3, Kinki Studio EX-M1+, Nola KO, (2) Rythmik F-12G, Wireworld SC & IC's, Neotech PC's, SurgeX SA-1810
Greenville, SC- Jays CDT2 Mk 3, Auralic Aries G1, Holo Spring 3 KTE, Supratek Chardonnay, Odyssey Audio Kismet Reference, Rosso Fiorentino Volterra 2, (2) RSL Speedwoofers, iFi Audio Power Station, Wireworld IC's, Inakustik USB and I2s, Triode Wire Lab SC, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Furutech NCF Clear Line, Timbernation rack.
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March 29, 2017, 11:56 PM #19
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Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
Even Audio Note UK is a totally different price bracket. You can call Bob Neil and talk to him as he carries the speakers and the electronics. Joe a speaker I always wanted to hear but haven't and that is supposed to be low power tube friendly is Reference 3A. Paul may have experience with them.
Main - JVC QL-Y7/Denon DL-301 Mk II, Gold Note PH-10, Jays CDT3 Mk3 , Auralic Aries G2.2, Holo May KTE, Supratek Cabernet, Kinki Studio EX-B7 monoblocks, Verity Audio Otello, (2) Rythmik F12SE, Audio Envy IC, SC & PC's, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Inakustik USB and I2S, (2) Puritan Audio Labs PSM-156 with Groundmaster City, Timbernation rack
Family Room - Oppo UDP-203, Auralic Aries, Aqua La Voce S3, Kinki Studio EX-M1+, Nola KO, (2) Rythmik F-12G, Wireworld SC & IC's, Neotech PC's, SurgeX SA-1810
Greenville, SC- Jays CDT2 Mk 3, Auralic Aries G1, Holo Spring 3 KTE, Supratek Chardonnay, Odyssey Audio Kismet Reference, Rosso Fiorentino Volterra 2, (2) RSL Speedwoofers, iFi Audio Power Station, Wireworld IC's, Inakustik USB and I2s, Triode Wire Lab SC, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Furutech NCF Clear Line, Timbernation rack.
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March 30, 2017, 12:01 AM #20
Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
In the past I googled about PSET for a while regarding whether it's good or not from a design and user experience perspective. But as with any audio debate, there is no universally accepted answer , and the best conclusion that I could find was "depend on implementation".
I think the opinion of manufacturers that offer both PSET and SET is especially noteworthy. This company top-of-the-line SET is almost 3x the cost of its 300B PSET, and they rank the former to be two levels better than the latter:
http://www.ys-audio.com/real1605mbpower.htm
http://www.ys-audio.com/ysa300bpsem.htm
This is probably not the best comparison though, because the 300B PSET here still has less power than the flagship SET.
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March 30, 2017, 12:16 AM #21
Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
How about Ayon Crossfire?
http://www.ayonaudiousa.com/us/produ...ssfire-pa.html
Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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March 30, 2017, 12:50 AM #22
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Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
Gorgeous amp and well received but probably overkill for the Omega's where the popular choices seem to be Decware and Inspire. Since this is at this point a test of the waters I would make the first stab less painful to unload if you decide it is not for you. If you love it then you can climb the ladder.
Main - JVC QL-Y7/Denon DL-301 Mk II, Gold Note PH-10, Jays CDT3 Mk3 , Auralic Aries G2.2, Holo May KTE, Supratek Cabernet, Kinki Studio EX-B7 monoblocks, Verity Audio Otello, (2) Rythmik F12SE, Audio Envy IC, SC & PC's, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Inakustik USB and I2S, (2) Puritan Audio Labs PSM-156 with Groundmaster City, Timbernation rack
Family Room - Oppo UDP-203, Auralic Aries, Aqua La Voce S3, Kinki Studio EX-M1+, Nola KO, (2) Rythmik F-12G, Wireworld SC & IC's, Neotech PC's, SurgeX SA-1810
Greenville, SC- Jays CDT2 Mk 3, Auralic Aries G1, Holo Spring 3 KTE, Supratek Chardonnay, Odyssey Audio Kismet Reference, Rosso Fiorentino Volterra 2, (2) RSL Speedwoofers, iFi Audio Power Station, Wireworld IC's, Inakustik USB and I2s, Triode Wire Lab SC, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Furutech NCF Clear Line, Timbernation rack.
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March 30, 2017, 12:50 AM #23
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Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
Joe, I previously sold my Melody AN845 SET integrated and regretted doing so. I just picked up a fully restored Bel Canto SET 40 power amp. I didn't realize that Bel Canto had dabbled in tube amps in its earlier days. It uses a pair of 845's and four 12AX7's. It's a sweet sounding amp (that magical triode SET sound) and I love that it cranks out 37wpc, nearly double the power of most 845 SET's. It weighs in at 85 pounds. Huge transformers.
Here are the specs:
Continuous power output into 4 or 8 ohms • 37 wattsPeak power output • >70 wattsBandwidth•-3dB 6Hz-35kHz
Class of operation • Class A single-ended 845 triode
Input level for 37 watts output • 1.5 V rms
Signal to Noise Ratio re 1 watt out • 96 dB A weightedDistortion at 1 watt / 1 kHz • <0.1% predominantly 2nd harmonicDamping Factor • 3 across full bandwidth
Input configuration and impedance • 100K ohm single ended RCAGain at 8 ohm tap • 21 dB
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March 30, 2017, 12:57 AM #24
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Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
That Melody was a really great piece. Surprised you sold it. What speakers are you using with the Bel Canto?
Main - JVC QL-Y7/Denon DL-301 Mk II, Gold Note PH-10, Jays CDT3 Mk3 , Auralic Aries G2.2, Holo May KTE, Supratek Cabernet, Kinki Studio EX-B7 monoblocks, Verity Audio Otello, (2) Rythmik F12SE, Audio Envy IC, SC & PC's, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Inakustik USB and I2S, (2) Puritan Audio Labs PSM-156 with Groundmaster City, Timbernation rack
Family Room - Oppo UDP-203, Auralic Aries, Aqua La Voce S3, Kinki Studio EX-M1+, Nola KO, (2) Rythmik F-12G, Wireworld SC & IC's, Neotech PC's, SurgeX SA-1810
Greenville, SC- Jays CDT2 Mk 3, Auralic Aries G1, Holo Spring 3 KTE, Supratek Chardonnay, Odyssey Audio Kismet Reference, Rosso Fiorentino Volterra 2, (2) RSL Speedwoofers, iFi Audio Power Station, Wireworld IC's, Inakustik USB and I2s, Triode Wire Lab SC, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Furutech NCF Clear Line, Timbernation rack.
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March 30, 2017, 01:07 AM #25
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Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
Jack, you are correct. It was a great amp. I still have the Melody AN300b integrated which is also a great amp, especially since I upgraded the power tubes to Sophia Royal Princess's.
I just got the Bel Canto a few weeks ago and have been traveling out of the country the last few weeks and haven't gotten a chance to critically listen yet. So far It has driven Trenner & Friedl Art's and Evolution Acoustic MMicro One's and both sound superb. This amp will drive most speakers. Highly recommended. If anyone is interested in a source for a restored factory-authorized Bel Canto SET 40 or the SET 80 monoblocks (nothing in it for me) PM me.
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March 30, 2017, 01:28 AM #26
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Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
Sounds like you are set.
Main - JVC QL-Y7/Denon DL-301 Mk II, Gold Note PH-10, Jays CDT3 Mk3 , Auralic Aries G2.2, Holo May KTE, Supratek Cabernet, Kinki Studio EX-B7 monoblocks, Verity Audio Otello, (2) Rythmik F12SE, Audio Envy IC, SC & PC's, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Inakustik USB and I2S, (2) Puritan Audio Labs PSM-156 with Groundmaster City, Timbernation rack
Family Room - Oppo UDP-203, Auralic Aries, Aqua La Voce S3, Kinki Studio EX-M1+, Nola KO, (2) Rythmik F-12G, Wireworld SC & IC's, Neotech PC's, SurgeX SA-1810
Greenville, SC- Jays CDT2 Mk 3, Auralic Aries G1, Holo Spring 3 KTE, Supratek Chardonnay, Odyssey Audio Kismet Reference, Rosso Fiorentino Volterra 2, (2) RSL Speedwoofers, iFi Audio Power Station, Wireworld IC's, Inakustik USB and I2s, Triode Wire Lab SC, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Furutech NCF Clear Line, Timbernation rack.
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Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
Goldprint Audio -- Dealer For: PS Audio -- Leben -- KEF -- Line Magnetic -- DeVore Fidelity -- Joseph Audio -- Sugden -- Rogue Audio -- Manley Labs -- VPI Industries -- Bel Canto -- Alta Audio -- Tannoy -- Rega -- Kimber Kable -- Ortofon -- Chord -- Sonos -- Quadraspire -- Salamander -- SVS Sound -- Torus Power -- Audio Desk -- Gingko -- Auditorium 23 -- Box Furniture -- Krell -- Cary Audio -- Soundsmith -- EMT
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March 30, 2017, 07:47 AM #29
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Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
Here's one a lot of people don't realize is out there --- Manley Neo-Classic SE/PP 300B
http://www.manley.com/products/view/nsepp
Let's you run the amp in SE mode for 11 watts or PP mode for 24 watts. It's surprisingly good...... I have customer running these with a pair of 0/96 speakers and he likes the combo quite a bit (and he used to run Joseph Perspectives with them as well).Goldprint Audio -- Dealer For: PS Audio -- Leben -- KEF -- Line Magnetic -- DeVore Fidelity -- Joseph Audio -- Sugden -- Rogue Audio -- Manley Labs -- VPI Industries -- Bel Canto -- Alta Audio -- Tannoy -- Rega -- Kimber Kable -- Ortofon -- Chord -- Sonos -- Quadraspire -- Salamander -- SVS Sound -- Torus Power -- Audio Desk -- Gingko -- Auditorium 23 -- Box Furniture -- Krell -- Cary Audio -- Soundsmith -- EMT
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March 30, 2017, 11:54 AM #31
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Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
Knowing your tastes, a Viva Solistino on the right speakers might work despite being integrated. for separates, Audion is usually my recommendation although Sophia Electric has an older set of 845 monos for sale that sound excellent for not much $.
I prefer 845s which are easy to get and roll. the Ayon, KR, etc use tubes from 1 source which always is a risk to me.Brinkmann Bardo w/ EMT HSD-006 cart, MSB Reference DAC --> Linear Tube Audio MicroZOTL --> Ampzilla 2000, 2nd Edition --> Fyne Audio F1-12
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March 30, 2017, 01:11 PM #32
Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
The more I look, the more I get sidetracked. That's not necessarily bad, but it just makes it harder to focus. I don't want to spend a lot and trying before I buy is near impossible.
Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
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March 30, 2017, 04:31 PM #33
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Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
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April 3, 2017, 01:25 AM #35
Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
It might be a while before I actually buy anything else for now other than speakers. My first goal/desire is to get a reasonable speaker that will be comfortable with a handful of watts. I still have my ASL wave monos that were tweaked a little and a pair of Cary 300B SE that were upgraded by Cary themselves. I need to put them back in service. I am considering a pair of Omega Alnico speakers to be feed by my low watt amps. That will get me started for not crazy money. I'll be able to decide from there what I want to do speaker or amp wise.
I have to admit that my ASL amps on my Cornwalls was a fun combo. I'd love a speaker that is a little more refined than the Cornwalls with a smoother treble. Maybe some Avant-garde speakers or Volti Rivals could be an answer.
There are are other options but I don't want to go crazy. I still think the Tektrons could be fun amps too, with the option to run different tubes.
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Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
I had a pair of Omega floor standers and monitors, both with the hemp drivers. They were very nice for the price.
A nice compromise price-wise could be the Reference 3A's. They are easily driven with tube amps and have the added refinement you're looking for. BTW, your 845's, with their large transformers, could easily drive speakers with sensitivity in the high 80db's.
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April 3, 2017, 10:17 AM #37
Re: Do parallel SET amps (PSET) lose any sweetness from the added power of extra tubes?
Hmmm. I have not looked at Reference 3A's in a long time. I'll take a look.
I've been thinking about the perfect speaker for the Triodes. I see that they are paired with Spendor and a few others at shows. I do wonder how that combo would sound. If my Triodes don't sell, I may rethink things.
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